Tha Realest
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I admit that I overstated the disconnect between the two, but could you specify which key ideas the queue sets up for the ride? The first Tiana animatronic in any case tells us that we’re on the hunt for animal musicians for her party. Does knowing more than that really change anything about the subsequent experience?
How DARE you!Just rode. Fun ride!
meh... most of that is just setting... not causing conflict or complicating things. Maybe he could call it 'confusing' why they bother with all this stuff and think they are not significant to the ride experience per say.. but 'simpler narrative'? I mean it's like one line... the problem is not it needs to be simpler, it's that it's so simple it carries zero investment from the audience.I assumed that was referencing the fact that there are some separate environmental stories being told by the queue/outdoor portions of the ride (e.g. Tiana now owns a co-op) that aren’t all that related to recruiting animals to play music for a party at Fleur du Bayou.
In the early days of RotR there would be a literal wall of CMs blocking the entrance and doing crowd control every time it went down.I have never seen a line of CM's at a closed attraction. Three to four, sure.
Didn't they do this alot with 7DMT, too? I seem to remember seeing that in the first couple of years after it was open.In the early days of RotR there would be a literal wall of CMs blocking the entrance and doing crowd control every time it went down.
Examples -
the party references..
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The Mardi Gras references...
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more party references...
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Character setups around Louis (and of course ton about Tiana - which I won't bother highlighting)
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Then all the signage after that room is trying to setup the 'salt mines' excuse for moving into the mountain setting...
I think their approach is poor - but it is there... just done very subtly and passively.
Disney used to be able to create compelling set pieces with gags that read instantly- Pirates and Mansion are chock full of them. Splash's set pieces reinforced the story they were trying to tell. This ride doesn't have any of that- which is probably why they had to add banners everywhere to tell us what's happening.
I saw Princess and the Frog and I'm wondering what Mama Odie is doing in the ride. Honestly that whole shrinking thing is weird. Mama Odie shrinks us because the Imagineers needed to reuse the laughing place set , Tiana tells Luis she has to find us since we shrunk, then Tiana and Luis forget about us when they see the musical frogs. I assume Tiana leaves since she has to rehearse, again not to worried about where we were aperently. That middle section up to the drop is so odd.
Two, it doesn't make any sense. We can't hear or find FROGS unless we're smaller than a mushroom?
Three, if it's going to be used as an excuse why they needed to use screens for this replacement or a ride that was screen free then it's absolutely not worth it,
Is there a reason they need 12 CM's to tell people it isn't running??
All which was corrected with OTHER videos released within days. So why do we keep harping back to the first Disney video as why everyone hates everything and pointing out it's flaws? It's not the data point everyone is limited too.. so it's limitations have been passed.
Sorry this is just making excuses - give your audience more credit - they are capable of forming new opinions with new information.
Your argument could be 'first impressions...' but instead you take it to the level to believe no one could get past those and everything is flawed because they can't get past that. That's you trying to spin... instead of giving people credit for taking in all the other information.. not just the day 0 video.
Love his twitter reporting... but can't take any more of that post serious after reading "I wish Disney had kept a simpler narrative instead of trying to combine two or three stories"
I don't think Scott picked up on the story at all..
To me, it’s the need to talk about “lived experiences” with a fictional character.
I admit that I overstated the disconnect between the two, but could you specify which key ideas the queue sets up for the ride? The first Tiana animatronic in any case tells us that we’re on the hunt for animal musicians for her party. Does knowing more than that really change anything about the subsequent experience?
That certainly hasn’t been my complaint, nor has it been the loudest complaint voiced by others. The basic premise—that Tiana and Louis are in search of critter band members for her party that night—is actually pretty easy to understand and needs very little set-up. It’s what happens after we begin our journey that could use some fleshing out and tonal variety.
I understood you to be saying that criticisms of the ride’s story were unjustified coming from those who weren’t taking the queue backstory into account. My point is that nothing in that backstory mitigates the major narrative issues that people have pointed to in the ride itself, particularly the lack of tension in the lead-up to the drop.
I think we’re talking at cross purposes. I am not denying that the backstory provides extra context for the main story. Some people may even find that context interesting. What I am saying is that the main story itself—with or without that extra context—lacks tension and tonal variety. Experiencing the queue doesn’t change or mitigate that.
The ride has no story.
And the story? Is there a story?
The story is MIA as far as I can tell.
What story?
One question that I have, and I feel silly for asking it-- what is the storyline?
the little story that is there
story doesn't make sense
(whatever story is there)
AAs don’t make up for lack of story.
There’s no story
They forgot the story.
with no story
Story is almost non-existent as well.
There's no storyline.
That's not what what you challenged in _celab's post, nor what you asked of me... so I don't think we're talking cross purpose, I think you are moving the goal posts. You didn't critique the story's depth, you challenged why he mentioned the queue in a challenge to opinions formed about the first video.What I am saying is that the main story itself—with or without that extra context—lacks tension and tonal variety. Experiencing the queue doesn’t change or mitigate that.
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All jokes aside, really glad you like it. I love it as well. Welcome to the boards!!
I challenged the claim that knowledge of the queue backstory does anything to address the criticisms of the ride’s narrative deficiencies. I have been quite clear and consistent in that point, even if you somehow missed it.That's not what what you challenged in _celab's post, nor what you asked of me... so I don't think we're talking cross purpose, I think you are moving the goal posts. You didn't critique the story's depth, you challenged why he mentioned the queue in a challenge to opinions formed about the first video.
You challenged why he mentioned the significance of not including the queue in the first video released, and you asked me to "specify which key ideas the queue sets up for the ride?" after calling the queue "entirely divorced from and irrelevant to the story of the ride"
The queue's setup helps introduce the ride's story. The story is still horrible, but the queue is part of the supporting cast for it.
The ride absolutely set up the characters. First lift hill, Brer Frog is telling stories about Brer Rabbit, saying he’s looking for adventure, but Brer Frog thinks he’s heading for trouble.I find this quite a confusing point to make... because the VAST VAST majority of riders had no clue about the characters in Splash... Most people under 40 probably never heard of brer rabbit before getting on the ride.. and certainly didn't know the tales the ride takes an abbreviated version of.
The story isn't setup.. or even laid out.. it's just more the story relies on constructs and notions that people can pickup on without explicit exposition.
They could just digest the very simple construct of a rabbit.. being a smaller less aggressive animal... being pursued by a fox and a bear... animals known to be predators.. and there are caricatures of those prenotions that play out... the rabbit is setup to be witty and outsmart the dumb clumsy bear and stubborn fox.
The characters presented traits and prototypes people are familiar with.. so it's not difficult for them to pick up and follow them with a few rides.. even if they don't know the actual source material and don't need a real setup.
The ride never sets up why the fox wants to catch brer rabbit... or that the rabbit keeps outwitting the fox and bear.. you just see the outcomes usually of these adventures.. except when it comes to the final outtwitting of the briar patch.
I mean.. the very notion the story ISN'T very explicit is the mask the ride was able to use to it's advantage to avoid scrutiny for so long. The fact the basic constructs of the critters and their conflict can be illustrated and be cute... without getting into their larger batch of stories.
The challenge with Tiana's story is... it's so trivial it's what you tell a baby to excite a smile... "lets goto the party!" over and over while smiling and clapping your hands.
It was only open for like a couple of seconds. I’ve had good luck with the Tron virtual queue for extended evening hours once in July of last year. Heard it lasted for 6 seconds that night.Tried for the VQ at 1:00 and nothing. It was closed as soon as it opened.
I challenged the claim that knowledge of the queue backstory does anything to address the criticisms of the ride’s narrative deficiencies. I have been quite clear and consistent in that point, even if you somehow missed it.
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