News Tiana's Bayou Adventure - latest details and construction progress

[Nubs70]

From on operations standpoint, ideally you have at least enough logs/boats to ensure that there is always another one ready to enter load assuming a perfect dispatch every single time.

Using an imaginary version of Splash/Tiana's as in example, the ride loads 3 logs at a time and has a ride time of 12 minutes. Another assumption is under idea circumstances it takes 1 minute from the 3 logs entering the load/unload to leave the area. Finally lets assume they stagger the 3 log releases every 20 seconds to spread out the course
So after 12 minutes we need all 3 original logs back ready to meet the load/unload station

Time of where Log 1 is	Where is log 3 into the ride?	How many logs have left unload ideally
0	0 mins	3
1 min	40 seconds	6
2 mins	1 min, 40 seconds	9
Break
12 mins and 40 seconds	12 minutes (Ready to enter load	42

Now as boats 43,44,45 leave the station in 20 seconds boats 1,2,and 3 are ready to take their place. (Boat 4 will bump right into 3 as it's taken into the unload station in 20 seconds)

However, if the ride misses even 1 of the ideal 60 second dispatch times, boats 43,44,45 are waiting to enter the loading area still, so 1-3 will bump in behind them. If it misses more and more, the back up gets bigger and bigger

So ideally this ride have 45 logs on it, but to be safe, however, most people would probably add at least 6 more incase a calculation or 2 is off.

This why 3 load stations, in my view, is a design flaw. They should have gone with 2 parallel load stations.

 

[peter11435]

Again, not to speak for them, but the mural artwork and other design/narrative choices seem incongruent for the ostensible time period.

Except the mural is not incongruent with African American art dating back from the 1920’s-1940’s

 

[Rich Brownn]

This why 3 load stations, in my view, is a design flaw. They should have gone with 2 parallel load stations.

We tried that here with Pirates. Didn't work so well (it was later modified to be one behind the other like California)

 

[Drew the Disney Dude]

Queue structure is being attached to the barn. 4:45 in the video.

 

[EricsBiscuit]

Queue structure is being attached to the barn. 4:45 in the video.

If only they took the opportunity to build an indoor queue. The SM queue was brutal in the summer. Pretty much the only E ticket off the top of my head with most of it outdoors.

 

[zipadee999]

If only they took the opportunity to build an indoor queue. The SM queue was brutal in the summer. Pretty much the only E ticket off the top of my head with most of it outdoors.

For some reason they just copied the Disneyland queue which already had a compact design to fit into Critter Country, and then used all of the additional courtyard space at MK just for a bunch of outdoor bullpens. Tokyo really got lucky, I think their’s is all indoors if I’m not mistaken

 

[BasiltheBatLord]

Tokyo really got lucky, I think their’s is all indoors if I’m not mistaken

There's outdoor queue space before the barn, but once you hit the barn it's all indoors (including load).

 

[celluloid]

For some reason they just copied the Disneyland queue which already had a compact design to fit into Critter Country, and then used all of the additional courtyard space at MK just for a bunch of outdoor bullpens. Tokyo really got lucky, I think their’s is all indoors if I’m not mistaken

Not all when it goes outside around the flume to extended, but most.

I loved the barn and cavern at WDW though. I never waited in the exterior queue at WDW. But Splash was traditionally our first ride of the day.

 

[ToTBellHop]

I find the TRON queue far worse and it has VQ! I almost passed out waiting on that bridge…huge amoebic cover for the ride but the queue is in direct sunlight with no shade? Feels like waiting for a coaster at a Six Flags.

 

[griffin ferrari]

For some reason they just copied the Disneyland queue which already had a compact design to fit into Critter Country, and then used all of the additional courtyard space at MK just for a bunch of outdoor bullpens. Tokyo really got lucky, I think their’s is all indoors if I’m not mistaken

Tokyo has a little outdoor part but the bulk of it is inside

 

[Purduevian]

This why 3 load stations, in my view, is a design flaw. They should have gone with 2 parallel load stations.

I'm curious as to why you feel that way. The 3 in series has a higher theoretical hourly throughput and is a simpler and compact design

 

[Nubs70]

I'm curious as to why you feel that way. The 3 in series has a higher theoretical hourly throughput and is a simpler and compact design

2 in parallel will allow for dispatch at a more consistent rate if people take too much time loading.

In a parallel system, ideally line A dispatches alternately with line B. If line A has a delayed dispatch, line B can dispatch 2 vehicles.

In a 3 line linear system, if line A has a delayed dispatch, line B and C have a delayed dispatch.

A similar analogy is the McDonald's drive thru. There are 2 ordering kiosks with 1 delivery window. If kiosk A has a delayed order, 2 orders can be processed by kiosk B.

If memory serves, the Pirates back up occurs due to the linear unload station. If there was a parallel unload station with a parallel load station, throughput could be increased.

 

[MerlinTheGoat]

I'm curious as to why you feel that way. The 3 in series has a higher theoretical hourly throughput and is a simpler and compact design

In a single channel loading area, any boats in front of the others that experience a delay will also cause the ones behind them to have to wait as well. With a dual loading zone however, if one side is delayed, the other side can still continue to move normally. Even if there are fewer loading zones on each channel. And yes this can also reduce backups at unload as well.

Here are capacity stats from marni1971 regarding WDW's Pirates of the Caribbean-

Original ride when only a single channel was open (loading one boat at a time)-
1800 guests per hour

Original ride when both channels were open-
3600 guests per hour

Current ride with the single channel (loading two boats at once)-
2480 guests per hour

Even if you increased this single channel loading area to 3 boats at once, it still wouldn't match the capacity that the original dual channel setup had. This was in spite of an extra row of seats being added to the boats in the late 80s (I don't know if the 1800/3600 number included this row as the video doesn't say, but that row was added prior to the move to a single channel regardless). From what I understand, they also had to switch to a lower amount of boats being run at once when the second channel was removed.

 

[EagleScout610]

I wonder if they're going to work any Hidden Mickeys into Tiana's. Maybe recycle the fishing bobber one that was in Splash? (It's tiny so nobody's gonna jump on it for being held over)

 

[Rich Brownn]

In a single channel loading area, any boats in front of the others that experience a delay will also cause the ones behind them to have to wait as well. With a dual loading zone however, if one side is delayed, the other side can still continue to move normally. Even if there are fewer loading zones on each channel. And yes this can also reduce backups at unload as well.

Here are capacity stats from marni1971 regarding WDW's Pirates of the Caribbean-

Original ride when only a single channel was open (loading one boat at a time)-
1800 guests per hour

Original ride when both channels were open-
3600 guests per hour

Current ride with the single channel (loading two boats at once)-
2480 guests per hour

Even if you increased this single channel loading area to 3 boats at once, it still wouldn't match the capacity that the original dual channel setup had. This was in spite of an extra row of seats being added to the boats in the late 80s (I don't know if the 1800/3600 number included this row as the video doesn't say, but that row was added prior to the move to a single channel regardless). From what I understand, they also had to switch to a lower amount of boats being run at once when the second channel was removed.

Of course, with the duel load, you had do account for time lost when the two boats would get stuck together right at the merge point (which happened a lot. Wasn't much fun walking to the midway ramp and using a pole with a hook to pull one boat back until they were free. All while trying not to stack the boats in the upload area.

 

[Nubs70]

Of course, with the duel load, you had do account for time lost when the two boats would get stuck together right at the merge point (which happened a lot. Wasn't much fun walking to the midway ramp and using a pole with a hook to pull one boat back until they were free. All while trying not to stack the boats in the upload area.

Proper position indicators and interlock logic can solve that.

 

[ToTBellHop]

Why did they remove the dual load stations at Pirates?

And why on earth does Frozen load one of its tiny boats at a time?

 

[SplashJacket]

Why did they remove the dual load stations at Pirates?

And why on earth does Frozen load one of its tiny boats at a time?

In theory, dual load requires exorbitantly more staffing.

When was it even dual-load? Which resort? Do we have pictures?

 

[999th Happy Haunt]

I think Alicia Stella claimed that the tunnel following the dip drop (where the spinning beehives were) would have projections of Louis on the walls. But that's only the first part of the Laughing Place and never had many physical characters to begin with. At DL and Tokyo, this tunnel doesn't even have any figures at all, whereas WDW had figures of the main Brer Trio (with Brer Bear being attacked by bees). Those particular figures are located further into the Laughing Place after the final small drop at DL/Tokyo.

I didn't listen to the entire podcast, but Alicia apparently also said there would be a segment of Mama Odie shrinking guests down to tiny critter size, with the dip drop being used as the "effect" for that transformation, and the final lift and drop being what gets us back to normal size. While I must stress that I haven't heard anything actually contradicting this claim (I have no specific information on the Laughing Place at all to say if anything is true or not), the shrinking plotpoint just sounds so random, pointless and out of place to me. So I dunno.

Disney would never do something random, pointless and/or out of place!

 

[ToTBellHop]

In theory, dual load requires exorbitantly more staffing.

When was it even dual-load? Which resort? Do we have pictures?

Ours in the 80s. Can’t find a pic but here’s the old layout: