News Tiana's Bayou Adventure - latest details and construction progress

Epcot82Guy

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Because it doesn’t make sense. One’s preference for a particular kind of cheesecake (I like unbaked myself) is based on having actually tried both varieties. Obviously that can’t apply to Splash vs. Bayou before the latter has yet opened.

That is true. But, another part of the analogy is that you are throwing away the baked cheesecake and not allowing anyone to have it ever again. Unbaked cheesecake may be legitimately great. But, the choice to exchange one for the other involves loss. And that loss feels unnecessary (if not worse) to many. I think that's an important part of this equation as well.

You can say change is inevitable all day long, but it plays a different role in a place literally built around and pushing nostalgia.
 

TheEPCOTHistorian

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I often wonder how threads like these will serve as historical documents for future Themed Entertainment Historians, and I can’t help but imagine the sheer confusion as they have to read 200 pages worth of mindless and nonsensical ranting.

I get it. I encourage you to be opinionated. But for the love of god maybe stop clogging up the threads with the same comments over and over, just under the disguise of a different comparison?

Splash is gone. No amount of banter is going to bring that back, it’s just going to further complicate the situation and dampen the occasional credit that must be given where due. This is our reality. Make the best of it.
 

Brer Oswald

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I'll be honest, I don't get the comparison... You had a log flume ride based on song of the south and are getting a log flume ride based on princess and the frog. What's the equivalent of the "no bake" step/feature that splash had that we know Tiana's wont?
There was a set of atmospherical “beats” Splash hit that made it feel super satisfying. Peaceful and serene, to delirium, to ominous tension, and finally to triumph. It’s possible Tiana can hit some of these, but knowing what we know, I feel the lack of “conflict” and the nighttime swampy atmosphere will make it feel like a completely different attraction.
 

Sectorkeeper71

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There was a set of atmospherical “beats” Splash hit that made it feel super satisfying. Peaceful and serene, to delirium, to ominous tension, and finally to triumph. It’s possible Tiana can hit some of these, but knowing what we know, I feel the lack of “conflict” and the nighttime swampy atmosphere will make it feel like a completely different attraction.
I don’t doubt I it’ll feel different. The comparison of guardians vs ToT is a good one I think. One version of that ride was all about emphasizing the fear and danger, the other is now about carefree fun and laughter. It’s the exact same experience with a different presentation to it. I’m thinking Tiana’s will do something similar in regards to changing the feel of the same ride, but that’s all conjecture at this point. And of course whether that change in feel is good or bad will always be a matter of opinion
 

LittleBuford

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That is true. But, another part of the analogy is that you are throwing away the baked cheesecake and not allowing anyone to have it ever again. Unbaked cheesecake may be legitimately great. But, the choice to exchange one for the other involves loss. And that loss feels unnecessary (if not worse) to many. I think that's an important part of this equation as well.

You can say change is inevitable all day long, but it plays a different role in a place literally built around and pushing nostalgia.
I’m posting here as someone who will also miss Splash Mountain and feel its loss deeply. You don’t need to explain that concept to me.
 

osian

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I feel like the same thing was said about ToT>Guardians at DCA. I've definitely heard a lot of people say they prefer Guardians. Not saying Tiana will be better than splash... but we certainly don't know that yet.
What they did with Mission Breakout was to change the drop sequence so it has more unpredictability, more rises and drops, more shaking, so the ride portion itself is undeniably better. If they'd done that with ToT without changing the theme, people would still say they prefer the new version to old. The preference isn't necessarily to do with the theme. But before the ride reopened, people didn't know how the drop sequence had been changed, so beforehand they'd just assumed that it was the theme was changing, and that's where the doubt came in. Would they be able to create as engaging and compelling a story out of GotG as they did with ToT? I would actually say no, the story isn't as compelling now as the original theme, and the building exterior is awful as compared with ToT, even though the ride portion is more fun. So that's what some people are saying about TBA, that the story itself and the experience won't be as compelling as Splash was. We already know that the ride itself isn't changing, also that the animatronics and set decoration are almost certainly an order of magnitude better. But you're right, the proof of the pudding is in the eating. We just don't know yet, but people are free to express their opinions.
 

Incomudro

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What they did with Mission Breakout was to change the drop sequence so it has more unpredictability, more rises and drops, more shaking, so the ride portion itself is undeniably better. If they'd done that with ToT without changing the theme, people would still say they prefer the new version to old. The preference isn't necessarily to do with the theme. But before the ride reopened, people didn't know how the drop sequence had been changed, so beforehand they'd just assumed that it was the theme was changing, and that's where the doubt came in. Would they be able to create as engaging and compelling a story out of GotG as they did with ToT? I would actually say no, the story isn't as compelling now as the original theme, and the building exterior is awful as compared with ToT, even though the ride portion is more fun. So that's what some people are saying about TBA, that the story itself and the experience won't be as compelling as Splash was. We already know that the ride itself isn't changing, also that the animatronics and set decoration are almost certainly an order of magnitude better. But you're right, the proof of the pudding is in the eating. We just don't know yet, but people are free to express their opinions.
Though it could be as compelling as Splash were they to have used the elements of the film that they are omitting.
 

Vegas Disney Fan

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For one, we know this will not be a cheap replacement with giant screen-based environments. We know this will contain similar or more animatronics than Splash, with those animatronics being highly advanced.

Do we know this?

So far the only thing I’ve seen confirmed is it’ll have a few dozen new animatronics (whether thats the total or in addition too existing is unknown), we’ve seen a impressive looking half done Louis, a very well done scene without any animatronics, and a very good Tiana.

I think we all hope what you say is correct but I don’t think any of it has been confirmed as fact.

The outside is looking better by the day but as far as I know the inside is still 99% unknown.
 

Prince-1

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There was a set of atmospherical “beats” Splash hit that made it feel super satisfying. Peaceful and serene, to delirium, to ominous tension, and finally to triumph. It’s possible Tiana can hit some of these, but knowing what we know, I feel the lack of “conflict” and the nighttime swampy atmosphere will make it feel like a completely different attraction.

What a coincidence because it just happens to be a completely different attraction.
 

yensidtlaw1969

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Do we know this?

So far the only thing I’ve seen confirmed is it’ll have a few dozen new animatronics (whether thats the total or in addition too existing is unknown), we’ve seen a impressive looking half done Louis, a very well done scene without any animatronics, and a very good Tiana.

I think we all hope what you say is correct but I don’t think any of it has been confirmed as fact.

The outside is looking better by the day but as far as I know the inside is still 99% unknown.

Everyone worth their salt is saying the interior of the ride is set to impress. Even some who were adamantly against the retheme.

They're going big with this one.
 

Indy_UK

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Yeah, way too early to tell. However, this has all the makings of a decent attraction at least judging by what they are telling us.

Again, tough act to follow but excited to see what they come up with.

Disney have been banging on enough TBA coming like it was a new attraction so it does need to deliver. I am actually looking forward to it now as the more I see the more I am liking and because the wait hasn't taken an eternity, I'll probably maintain that excitement. Shame I couldn't say the same for Tron
 

MickeyLuv'r

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Some people knew that the moment it was announced. It’s kind of like how, if someone says they are making a cheesecake but they don’t have to turn the oven on to do so, I know it will be a weak facsimile of the real deal. Now, I’m not prejudging Bayou Adventure like I prejudge no-bake cheesecake, but I can mentally wrap my mind around the fact that some have.
Well, I still quietly mumble the lines of the old Norway ride when I ride FEA. And I have nothing against Frozen, nor did I think the old Norway ride was the best-ride-ever. It just was a bit special.

For that matter it took a long time for us to forget the old Epcot Mexico song. Admittedly, I have now mostly forgotten it.

I never liked the redone Tiki Room. The real Tiki room isn't scary. In the Under New Management version, the green goddess scared small children, and that somewhat ruined the atmosphere. There was also Iago's annoying voice.

GoG is considerably better than the Energy ride though, so WDW can make some rides better. It is just they have to carefully balance new and nostalgia. Many folks LOVED the old Splash. They know themselves.

But I do think the new Splash might be enough like the old Splash that many riders will still remember the old version, as I will always remember the trolls and the polar bear.
 

ABQ

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Do we know this?

So far the only thing I’ve seen confirmed is it’ll have a few dozen new animatronics (whether thats the total or in addition too existing is unknown), we’ve seen a impressive looking half done Louis, a very well done scene without any animatronics, and a very good Tiana.

I think we all hope what you say is correct but I don’t think any of it has been confirmed as fact.

The outside is looking better by the day but as far as I know the inside is still 99% unknown.
Have we even gotten a statement of a "few dozen"? I've seen the line "dozens of animatronics" stated on the Disney site. That could literally be 24 in total and be true. Splash had what, 60+, even more, I believe in Disneyland. Certainly, those were older design, less movement, much simpler than the Tiana example shown, which feels more like the Shaman in Pandora, just hope she's more reliable than the Shaman has been. Whether or not all the animatronics in the ride will be of the same high movement standard as she is, is left to be seen.
 

JohnD

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Have we even gotten a statement of a "few dozen"? I've seen the line "dozens of animatronics" stated on the Disney site. That could literally be 24 in total and be true. Splash had what, 60+, even more, I believe in Disneyland. Certainly, those were older design, less movement, much simpler than the Tiana example shown, which feels more like the Shaman in Pandora, just hope she's more reliable than the Shaman has been. Whether or not all the animatronics in the ride will be of the same high movement standard as she is, is left to be seen.
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Vegas Disney Fan

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Everyone worth their salt is saying the interior of the ride is set to impress. Even some who were adamantly against the retheme.

They're going big with this one.
Wouldn’t that still fall into hearsay though?

Maybe I’m arguing semantics but until we have official word or photo evidence I don’t feel comfortable saying we “know” anything about the 90% of the interior we haven’t seen yet.

So far I’ve been pleasantly surprised and they’ve surpassed my expectations, maybe I just dont want to set my expectations too high based on rumors and then be disappointed.
 

ToTBellHop

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When someone says “dozens”, they don’t mean 2 dozen, typically. In the colloquial sense, it tends to mean “a lot but not 100”. I don’t think I’ve ever heard the term used for less than 3 dozen, in any event. You’d usually say “a couple dozen” or even “a few dozen” for less.

I’ve heard well north of 36 figures, at least. Not all A100s, of course.
 

JohnD

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When someone says “dozens”, they don’t mean 2 dozen, typically. In the colloquial sense, it tends to mean “a lot but not 100”. I don’t think I’ve ever heard the term used for less than 3 dozen, in any event. You’d usually say “a couple dozen” or even “a few dozen” for less.
It's a minimum of 24. Odds are its far more than that. "Dozens" is all that we have from Disney. Others here may have said "few dozen" but that didn't come from Disney.
 

yensidtlaw1969

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Wouldn’t that still fall into hearsay though?

Maybe I’m arguing semantics but until we have official word or photo evidence I don’t feel comfortable saying we “know” anything about the 90% of the interior we haven’t seen yet.

So far I’ve been pleasantly surprised and they’ve surpassed my expectations, maybe I just dont want to set my expectations too high based on rumors and then be disappointed.

I mean . . . not necessarily.

Remember, there are people who do know what's coming inside this ride. That "we" don't "know" doesn't mean no one does.

All the people *I* know who DO know are saying the same things - this ride is ambitious, expensive, and impressively executed. The fact that people on the inside as well as the "insiders" are saying those same sorts of things at this point seems pretty telling.

Remember, the WDW version of the ride is far along at this point. There are things about it that can be known, whether they've been revealed to the general public or not.

Nothing wrong with reigning in your own expectations, but the days of worry that this is some cheap overhaul should be far behind us.
 

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