News Tiana's Bayou Adventure - latest details and construction progress

Incomudro

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They just showed sections of this mural on the local news, it looks like it belongs at a daycare. 0% belongs in Frontierland....they have thrown all placemaking out the door. This project is starting to look and feel more ill-fitting than I ever thought it would, I dont know what they think they are doing.
I really hope that the mural will only be visible from down in the queue.
Hoping it's obscured by foliage or something blocking its view from up on the pathways.
 

Tha Realest

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They haven't marketed this ride yet. It's all just Parks blog stuff for us park nerds.
Yes and no. They had big events at Essence Fest, which is not a theme park specific audience like IAPPA, TEA, or D23. It’s not just inside baseball stuff, there’s been an effort to get this information out (market) to other audiences.
 

JD80

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Yes and no. They had big events at Essence Fest, which is not a theme park specific audience like IAPPA, TEA, or D23. It’s not just inside baseball stuff, there’s been an effort to get this information out (market) to other audiences.

When I think "marketing" for TBA I'm picturing commercials on ABC, email campaigns, website overlays and offers. Maybe a mention on ESPN during a football game before a commercial break not to mention any merch promotions or magicbands.

All this stuff that we've seen/read is just fun stories they have posted but it's not really a "marketing" effort. I guess it depends on what you mean by marketing. Sure mentioning the ride on tiktok with some behind the scenes is marketing if you look at it from a certain point of view. I'm more thinking mass market stuff.
 

Cliff

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To be honest...I have sort of given up on this newest generation of Imagineers. My expectations for this Tiana attraction are extremely low today. I was just at Journey of Water at Epcot and it seemed "ok" but not one thing "wow'd" me at all. There was NO reason why it took Imagineering all those years and years to build a walk through water and rock attraction with pumps and pipes. Joe Rode would have had that thing built in 12 to 18 months?

Yeah...I have learned not to expect much anymore from todays Imagineering.
 
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michmousefan

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When I think "marketing" for TBA I'm picturing commercials on ABC, email campaigns, website overlays and offers. Maybe a mention on ESPN during a football game before a commercial break not to mention any merch promotions or magicbands.

All this stuff that we've seen/read is just fun stories they have posted but it's not really a "marketing" effort. I guess it depends on what you mean by marketing. Sure mentioning the ride on tiktok with some behind the scenes is marketing if you look at it from a certain point of view. I'm more thinking mass market stuff.
There's "niche marketing," aimed at a smaller, distinct audience — which is mostly what they have been doing to date, and "mass marketing," which really hasn't started in earnest yet.
 

Bocabear

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When I think "marketing" for TBA I'm picturing commercials on ABC, email campaigns, website overlays and offers. Maybe a mention on ESPN during a football game before a commercial break not to mention any merch promotions or magicbands.

All this stuff that we've seen/read is just fun stories they have posted but it's not really a "marketing" effort. I guess it depends on what you mean by marketing. Sure mentioning the ride on tiktok with some behind the scenes is marketing if you look at it from a certain point of view. I'm more thinking mass market stuff.
Well, let's face it, everything posted about the upcoming ride from Disney is marketing...
Every promo, every mention of the artists they have hired etc...It is all marketing I am sure there are a lot of smaller posts etc on forums such as this one that are also an arm of marketing...
 

Vegas Disney Fan

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To be honest...I have sort of given up on this newest generation of Imagineers. My expectations for this Tiana attraction are extremely low today. I was just at Journey of Water at Epcot and it seemed "ok" but not one thing "wow'd" me at all. There was NO reason why it took Imagineering all those years and years to build a walk through water and rock attraction with pumps and pipes. Joe Rode would have had that thing built in 12 to 18 months?

Yeah...I have learned not to expect much anymore from today’s Imagineering.

Are the imagineers bad or are the budget constraints forcing bad imagineering?

The new coaster in Hong Kong being a great example, it has incredible theming that rivals anything previous Imagineers have given us but the length of the ride is comical. Was that an imagineering failure or a budget failure?

Hopefully TBA will be given a budget that allows imagineering to shine, time will tell.
 

J4546

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Are the imagineers bad or are the budget constraints forcing bad imagineering?

The new coaster in Hong Kong being a great example, it has incredible theming that rivals anything previous Imagineers have given us but the length of the ride is comical. Was that an imagineering failure or a budget failure?

Hopefully TBA will be given a budget that allows imagineering to shine, time will tell.
the new coaster in HK is a junior coaster like hippogriff/gadgets/woddywoodpecker......I dont get why people thought it would be longer, it was never gonna be longer, its been known since its construction it was gonna be a short junior coaster and people are acting like thats a surprise. Its beautifuly themed and people are mad about that? If they had left it barbones themed like hippogriff or little mermaid coaster would that be better?
 

Bocabear

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the new coaster in HK is a junior coaster like hippogriff/gadgets/woddywoodpecker......I dont get why people thought it would be longer, it was never gonna be longer. Its beautifuly themed and people are mad about that? If they had left it barbones themed like hippogriff or little mermaid coaster would that be better?
yeah but a coaster that clocks in at under a minute ride is pretty darn short...It is not like no one ever thought a new coaster in a beautifully themed new land would be that short...people would expect a side of substance with their beautiful set dressing...
 

Vegas Disney Fan

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yeah but a coaster that clocks in at under a minute ride is pretty darn short...It is not like no one ever thought a new coaster in a beautifully themed new land would be that short...people would expect a side of substance with their beautiful set dressing...
I was at least expecting 7DMT length, which is itself too short.

This isn’t a Gadgets style coaster designed primarily for kids, it’s one of the signature attractions in one of the signature lands of the park. Everyone who goes to the park is going to ride this, just like 7DMT, making it this short was a horrible decision.
 

Sir_Cliff

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Are the imagineers bad or are the budget constraints forcing bad imagineering?

The new coaster in Hong Kong being a great example, it has incredible theming that rivals anything previous Imagineers have given us but the length of the ride is comical. Was that an imagineering failure or a budget failure?

Hopefully TBA will be given a budget that allows imagineering to shine, time will tell.
I don't know the answer to that first question, but I will say that their budgets don't seem very constrained to the point where I'm not sure giving Imagineering even more money to play with on new attractions is the solution to anything.
 

yensidtlaw1969

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the new coaster in HK is a junior coaster like hippogriff/gadgets/woddywoodpecker......I dont get why people thought it would be longer, it was never gonna be longer, its been known since its construction it was gonna be a short junior coaster and people are acting like thats a surprise. Its beautifuly themed and people are mad about that? If they had left it barbones themed like hippogriff or little mermaid coaster would that be better?
It's an odd circumstance - on one hand it's easy to praise that Wandering Oaken's Sliding Sleighs is themed to the nines and far outshines its peers like The Barnstormer. On the other hand, the exterior of the attraction presents on a level far more impressive than the ride experience ever intends to offer. At least The Barnstormer tells you upfront exactly what it is, so you can set your expectations accordingly.

In an ideal world you'd think an attraction would surprise only pleasantly - Pirates of the Caribbean at Disneyland is an incredible example of the facade underselling and the ride overdelivering. That formula is much more likely to satisfy guests than overpromising and underdelivering, which is likely closer to what will happen at Oakens. You can't tell from looking at it that the ride is gonna be shorter than a Tiktok, and if you don't know that already it's lousy to find out after you've waited for it. Mermaid has the same problem where the exterior suggests a more impressive ride than it was ever designed to contain.

I appreciate the renewed efforts at lavish theming - especially because not every ride gets that. But it's a misstep to have rides that are more impressive to look at than they are to experience. A less impressive sledding hill with twice as much ride track would no doubt make guests happier.
 

yensidtlaw1969

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I don't know the answer to that first question, but I will say that their budgets don't seem very constrained to the point where I'm not sure giving Imagineering even more money to play with on new attractions is the solution to anything.
I'll agree with that - not every team seems to have this issue, Pandora and Galaxy's Edge both make a pretty good show of their money. They didn't spend it in *all* the right places, but you don't doubt for a second that they spent it. Meanwhile Toy Story Land and New Fantasyland both underwhelm relative to their costs and in many places look cheaper than they were.

Cosmic Rewind to me is unforgivable in this regard. The single most expensive attraction in the resort (and possibly the world??) and I could not TELL you were the money went. It was a full "Emperor Has No Clothes" moment for me. It's fun, but not $450 MILLION Dollar's worth. It's an empty warehouse with a bare track, some projections, and a spinning ride base. Nothing in, on, or around that building should logically amount to that sort of sum. If that team couldn't make that kind of money really work for them then more of it wasn't going to move the needle.
 

erasure fan1

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Cosmic Rewind to me is unforgivable in this regard. The single most expensive attraction in the resort (and possibly the world??) and I could not TELL you were the money went. It was a full "Emperor Has No Clothes" moment for me. It's fun, but not $450 MILLION Dollar's worth. It's an empty warehouse with a bare track, some projections, and a spinning ride base. Nothing in, on, or around that building should logically amount to that sort of sum.
100% agree with this. The ride was fun for sure. But that cost is astronomical for what we got. They could have put in two E-tickets for that cost and actually added to capacity.
 

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