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LittleBuford

LittleBuford

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Midwest Elitist said:
One of the big YouTubers got confirmation that it was. Even if it's true, which it might have been, no one is aligned in this company anymore.
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Keeping it would have made no sense, though. I don’t think its removal tells us anything about the company’s internal dynamics. It was always going to go, regardless of what some YouTuber may have said.
 
Brian

Brian

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LittleBuford said:
Keeping it would have made no sense, though. I don’t think its removal tells us anything about the company’s internal dynamics. It was always going to go, regardless of what some YouTuber may have said.
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Keeping it would have been the cheapest option, as well as leaving a small nod to the original attraction in place for fans, as well as having a cute little rabbit weathervane for the average MK guest who doesn't know who B'rer Rabbit is. Not to mention that it really would not clash with the theming of the attraction, though given recent design choices, I don't think that's a concern these days.
 
Fox&Hound

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Disney Analyst said:
I only take exception with the "Frozen didn't fix Maelstrom's brevity" critique.

While it isn't THAT much longer, it does have added show space that Maelstrom did not have.



Frozen is roughly 1 extra minute from start to finish based on reviewing a few videos ... or a 5 minute ride vs a 4 minute ride.

Now critique of the art direction / set design / AA's is another thing, but I don't personally think Frozen is a short attraction, the ride time is decent for an attraction of this scale.

But it perhaps can still feel brief, which may be a result of Disney shoehorning the ride into a layout/ride type that doesn't particularly work for the story.

But it's a more complete experience than Maelstrom was.
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Wow, watching this I don’t see why people hate on Frozen. It is so much better in every way!
 
LittleBuford

LittleBuford

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Brian said:
Keeping it would have been the cheapest option, as well as leaving a small nod to the original attraction in place for fans, as well as having a cute little rabbit weathervane for the average MK guest who doesn't know who B'rer Rabbit is. Not to mention that it really would not clash with the theming of the attraction, though given recent design choices, I don't think that's a concern these days.
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Keeping a recognisable silhouette of Br’er Rabbit on a ride whose goal is to move totally away from that particular IP never seemed remotely possible to me, let alone likely.
 
Brian

Brian

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LittleBuford said:
Keeping a recognisable silhouette of Br’er Rabbit on a ride whose goal is to move totally away from that particular IP never seemed remotely possible to me, let alone likely.
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I never thought it was likely, just that it would have been nice for the aforementioned reasons. Wishful thinking.
 
Disney Analyst

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UNCgolf said:
I actually love this comment, because when I watch that video, I think it's pretty obvious that Maelstrom was better (not that I think Maelstrom was anything special).

Just shows how subjective it all is.
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The way I see it:

  1. Opening of Frozen is better. Extended ride experience, beautiful new show scenes right off the bat.
  2. Lift hill is the same, doesn’t make a difference.
  3. First part of upstairs feels similar? Both seemed empty. Frozen may get a slightly lower score as it looks cold, making it feel more barren.
  4. Elsa segment is cool, but backwards section is a downgrade. Barren.
  5. Track switch section is a toss up for me.
  6. End of the ride better on frozen.
 
UNCgolf

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Disney Analyst said:
The way I see it:

  1. Opening of Frozen is better. Extended ride experience, beautiful new show scenes right off the bat.
  2. Lift hill is the same, doesn’t make a difference.
  3. First part of upstairs feels similar? Both seemed empty. Frozen may get a slightly lower score as it looks cold, making it feel more barren.
  4. Elsa segment is cool, but backwards section is a downgrade. Barren.
  5. Track switch section is a toss up for me.
  6. End of the ride better on frozen.
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Some of it is admittedly that Maelstrom just made more sense in that location, so there's kind of a subconscious issue there -- I also hate that they blocked up the opening for FEA, although that's more about experiencing it from the pavilion and not the ride itself.

I think the advanced AAs in Frozen actually... detract isn't the right word, but I think in some ways they draw attention to how barren the rest of the ride is because they're very high quality (absent the terrible faces) and then everything else is just kind of there (or not there in some cases).

Expectations probably play a part too. Maelstrom didn't get 60+ minute waits, and I never expected it to be more than what it was. The first time I rode Frozen Ever After, with the long waits (I had FP+ so thankfully I didn't waste my time waiting) and the fact it was based on one of their biggest hits in a long time, my reaction was "that's it?"

All that aside, just watching the straight comparison Maelstrom feels like a more cohesive experience, even though it was random in places too.
 
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Sir_Cliff

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UNCgolf said:
Some of it is admittedly that Maelstrom just made more sense in that location, so there's kind of a subconscious issue there -- I also hate that they blocked up the opening for FEA, although that's more about experiencing it from the pavilion and not the ride itself.

I think the advanced AAs in Frozen actually... detract isn't the right word, but I think in some ways they draw attention to how barren the rest of the ride is because they're very high quality (absent the terrible faces) and then everything else is just kind of there (or not there in some cases).

Expectations probably play a part too. Maelstrom didn't get 60+ minute waits, and I never expected it to be more than what it was. The first time I rode Frozen Ever After, with the long waits (I had FP+ so thankfully I didn't waste my time waiting) and the fact it was based on one of their biggest hits in a long time, my reaction was "that's it?"

All that aside, just watching the straight comparison Maelstrom feels like a more cohesive experience, even though it was random in places too.
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Interesting discussion.

Watching the side-by-side video, I think I would say that Maelstrom is a lot more atmospheric but that Frozen feels like a more cohesive experience. I think the music helps a lot in this respect as the ride doesn't exactly tell a clear, linear story (which I think is a good thing), but the score and songs from Frozen help carry you through the ride along with the characters. Maelstrom does feel a lot more like a random series of Norwegian vignettes.

Another thing watching the video after having been to Norway quite a lot over the past few years, I have to be honest and say that Maelstrom doesn't really evoke the country for me. I always liked it and it has its charms, but must say that the ride doesn't really remind me of anywhere I've been.
 
UNCgolf

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Sir_Cliff said:
Interesting discussion.

Watching the side-by-side video, I think I would say that Maelstrom is a lot more atmospheric but that Frozen feels like a more cohesive experience. I think the music helps a lot in this respect as the ride doesn't exactly tell a clear, linear story (which I think is a good thing), but the score and songs from Frozen help carry you through the ride along with the characters. Maelstrom does feel a lot more like a random series of Norwegian vignettes.

Another thing watching the video after having been to Norway quite a lot over the past few years, I have to be honest and say that Maelstrom doesn't really evoke the country for me. I always liked it and it has its charms, but must say that the ride doesn't really remind me of anywhere I've been.
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A series of random vignettes is how I'd describe Frozen Ever After! It's just a collection of characters and songs from the movie -- you could shuffle the order and it wouldn't really be noticeable or make any difference.

I agree that Maelstrom is basically a collection of vignettes too, but I just think it works better in Maelstrom. Being more atmospheric is probably part of it.
 

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