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For sure. I think the Hatbox is going to be revealed to synergize with the next Haunted Mansion remake.
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MK Tiana's Bayou Adventure - latest details and construction progress
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For sure. I think the Hatbox is going to be revealed to synergize with the next Haunted Mansion remake.
Disstevefan1
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Third time's the charm.
Smiley/OCD
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That interview summed up EVERYTHING I suspected about Tony and his views on the demise of Splash…what a shame…
JustInTime
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It doesn’t matter. The impact of the drop is so quick that it’ll have the same impact. Might as well be arguing about paint colors at this point.
MerlinTheGoat
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Definitely not something Tony would say if he's involved with the replacement. So i'm sorry about that claim and I retract it, disappointing but not surprising.
For what it's worth, I ran this by my source, and they said they were probably given old information. They also still think the retheme is going to be great, Tony being involved or not. I don't think they're attempting to deceive here. Again, they're not remotely a fan of the modern Disney company or the decision to retheme. And several of their other claims have been proven accurate, such as the new characters, being a more physical ride with animatronics and having a higher budget than it started with. But you have to be wary of things changing during development along with taking subjective stuff that you can't see/hear first hand with a grain of salt.
I'll also reiterate another thing i've personally stated from the start (despite what else i've said)- Disney does not deserve the benefit of the doubt that they'll create something decent here. And you should not give them it. It's their responsibility to prove people wrong. It's infinitely more likely that they'll ruin it, and it'll take a miracle if they get even remotely close to Splash quality. The only hint of hope I have right now is that some of the art looks nice. But as anyone with even a single brain cell can tell you, art can be deceptive. Especially if it's old. There's no telling when the art shown last year was created, whether it'll be accurate to the ride, or whether its indicative of the other scenes.
If Charita Carter and Carmen Smith are truly calling all the shots and heavily involved in the creative process of the ride itself, then be very afraid. Again it's critical to reiterate that neither are creatives. In fact, their career histories are typically associated with the suppression of creativity. Carter is an accountant and Smith managed diversity quotas for TV programming. I'll leave it at that, as anything else will probably get me in trouble (and possibly cause people to make incorrect assumptions about what I personally believe). The possible silver lining is that there are tons of other people actually designing and building the ride. And much of the backstory nonsense Carter and Smith have been trotting out in their videos seems unrelated to the the actual ride contents. Still, not having competent creatives at the head of the project was/is extremely concerning.
Incidentally, Tony not only defended Splash Mountain, but also the film it was based on. And as polite as he was about the matter, he stated sensitivity has gotten completely out of control. He's correct of course, though I hope no lunatics target him for harassment over these statements.
For what it's worth, I ran this by my source, and they said they were probably given old information. They also still think the retheme is going to be great, Tony being involved or not. I don't think they're attempting to deceive here. Again, they're not remotely a fan of the modern Disney company or the decision to retheme. And several of their other claims have been proven accurate, such as the new characters, being a more physical ride with animatronics and having a higher budget than it started with. But you have to be wary of things changing during development along with taking subjective stuff that you can't see/hear first hand with a grain of salt.
I'll also reiterate another thing i've personally stated from the start (despite what else i've said)- Disney does not deserve the benefit of the doubt that they'll create something decent here. And you should not give them it. It's their responsibility to prove people wrong. It's infinitely more likely that they'll ruin it, and it'll take a miracle if they get even remotely close to Splash quality. The only hint of hope I have right now is that some of the art looks nice. But as anyone with even a single brain cell can tell you, art can be deceptive. Especially if it's old. There's no telling when the art shown last year was created, whether it'll be accurate to the ride, or whether its indicative of the other scenes.
If Charita Carter and Carmen Smith are truly calling all the shots and heavily involved in the creative process of the ride itself, then be very afraid. Again it's critical to reiterate that neither are creatives. In fact, their career histories are typically associated with the suppression of creativity. Carter is an accountant and Smith managed diversity quotas for TV programming. I'll leave it at that, as anything else will probably get me in trouble (and possibly cause people to make incorrect assumptions about what I personally believe). The possible silver lining is that there are tons of other people actually designing and building the ride. And much of the backstory nonsense Carter and Smith have been trotting out in their videos seems unrelated to the the actual ride contents. Still, not having competent creatives at the head of the project was/is extremely concerning.
Incidentally, Tony not only defended Splash Mountain, but also the film it was based on. And as polite as he was about the matter, he stated sensitivity has gotten completely out of control. He's correct of course, though I hope no lunatics target him for harassment over these statements.
TrainsOfDisney
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MerlinTheGoat
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The impact of the drop was never just about how it feels in a vacuum with eyes and ears closed. The scale of the mountain is now diminished significantly with the decapitation of the stump as well as installation of the water tower. The removal of the briar patch at the bottom also makes it far less threatening. And especially what they're doing to the final lift. As Tony explained in his interview, the lift was tremendously important to the impact of the drop.
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MerlinTheGoat
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I think that post was agreeing with Tony and pointing out he was upset. Tony was stating facts, and he also probably is bitter. Nothing wrong with him being bitter over this matter, most of us are. It's a valid and reasonable way to feel.
He was more likely in some sort of consulting role and gave notes. I don't see why they would still be keeping him on at this point when the plans are already finished w/ construction already progressing. I could be wrong though
Disstevefan1
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I have heard that they hire the old timers as consultants and they must sign non disclosure doc's.
They are getting paid to not say anything bad and/or tell the truth about new projects like Tiana's
MIGHT AS WELL TAKE THE MONEY! Disney's gonna do what Disney's gonna do anyway, might as well get paid.
TrainsOfDisney
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Tony is 4 years older than Iger. I also don’t think he’s in any need of money. $$$
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JoeCamel
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I would wager everyone on this except for the talking heads signed a NDA
Disstevefan1
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Of course Tony does not need the money. And the reality is he probably wouldn't talk against Disney. Disney does not know this for sure so they pay him not to talk. Tony might as well as get paid not to talk.
Incomudro
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They likely hired him mostly for appearance purposes, so they could say "Look!" "It's ok, Tony is involved."
How much the guy who made the ride they're condemning got to say is anyone's guess.
Sounds humiliating to me.
Could you imagine being a consultant to the people who are destroying your ride?
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WorldExplorer
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Imagine being the person who had to pitch to him, hey, we're retheming what some consider your greatest work. While we're at it we're going to remove all mention of anything related to it from the park, and heavily imply that making it to begin with was a horrible mistake.
Please give us a little thumbs up so all the people who're looking at us like we're crazy will be quiet.
Please give us a little thumbs up so all the people who're looking at us like we're crazy will be quiet.
MerlinTheGoat
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He was probably given a pile of cash for his approval statement and allowed to give some pointers to the team with vague indications they might use them. But given what he said in that video, it seems apparent he isn't pleased with what went down after. If he was in anyway involved in the project and his ideas were being used, I would imagine he'd be a lot more positive about it. Makes you wonder if he knows even more about the project he's not telling.
BrerFoxesBayouAdventure
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Do they at the very least let the old timers call the shots and do what they do best?