My error. I'm misremembering the morphing villains part of the show.
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FettFan
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Yeah but it’s a good rule of thumb to make your movie rides have the most memorable parts of your movie.
And let’s face it….Dr. Facilier was the only really memorable part of PatF. Nobody really gave a crap about the rest of it, and that’s why PatF help kill classic Disney animation; while not a financial bust, it underperformed to the point where Iger Disney got stoopid.
They panicked that the word “Princess” in the title was a death sentence for the movie, so their next Princess film was re-named to “Tangled”.
Then Iger Disney panicked that people didn’t want hand-drawn animation anymore, so they nixed the original plan for The Snow Queen in 2D and had it follow Tangled’s lead.
Dammit Iger.
Yeah but it’s a good rule of thumb to make your movie rides have the most memorable parts of your movie.
And let’s face it….Dr. Facilier was the only really memorable part of PatF. Nobody really gave a crap about the rest of it, and that’s why PatF help kill classic Disney animation; while not a financial bust, it underperformed to the point where Iger Disney got stoopid.
They panicked that the word “Princess” in the title was a death sentence for the movie, so their next Princess film was re-named to “Tangled”.
Then Iger Disney panicked that people didn’t want hand-drawn animation anymore, so they nixed the original plan for The Snow Queen in 2D and had it follow Tangled’s lead.
Dammit Iger.
Bleed0range
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You’re
Yeah but it’s a good rule of thumb to make your movie rides have the most memorable parts of your movie.
And let’s face it….Dr. Facilier was the only really memorable part of PatF. Nobody really gave a crap about the rest of it, and that’s why PatF help kill classic Disney animation; while not a financial bust, it underperformed to the point where Iger Disney got stoopid.
They panicked that the word “Princess” in the title was a death sentence for the movie, so their next Princess film was re-named to “Tangled”.
Then Iger Disney panicked that people didn’t want hand-drawn animation anymore, so they nixed the original plan for The Snow Queen in 2D and had it follow Tangled’s lead.
Dammit Iger.
The Snow Queen? You mean Frozen? I don’t know if anyone would be able to argue that whatever decisions they made there were bad ones.
TrainsOfDisney
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It’s based on and was developed as the snow queen. I’d argue it would have been better as traditional 2D. “Disney Animation” should be hand drawn, period.
yensidtlaw1969
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And "Dozens of new Animatronics" representing the main characters from the movie and at least 17 brand new characters.
People seem to conveniently forget that.
FettFan
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Yes. It started life as The Snow Queen.
It got its title change and shift away from 2D thanks to the underperformance of PatF.
And yes, shutting down 2D animation was a very bad move, especially when Iger Disney had already bought out Pixar. (Rapunzel/Tangled had already been in development as CGI before the buyout)
You wouldn’t believe the number of people I’ve encountered thar think Tangled, Frozen, and Moana are all Pixar films just because they’re CG.
MerlinTheGoat
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Frozen is (very) loosely based on the Snow Queen. Plans by Disney for a more traditional adaptation were around all the way back to the 30s and 40s. Specifically, Disney were originally going to create animated shorts interspersed in MGM's 1952 musical live action Hand Christian Anderson film. A plan to create a feature length Snow Queen adaptation was dabbled with during the renaissance, then killed and revived AGAIN in he early 2000s. And even during the production of Frozen, they had considered making it hand drawn originally early in production.
I have a pretty strong distaste for CGI (except when used in a sort of rotoscoped manner like how Tarzan and other late renaissance era films did it). Being hand drawn would have certainly improved the likes of Tangled and Frozen for me. Though it wouldn't fix all of the gripes I have with the story and music. It'd at least be more visually pleasant to watch.
I enjoy PATF as a whole, not just Facilier. But he is certainly the highlight of the movie. As admittedly a lot of classic traditional Disney villains often are. He stands among some of their best.
It was actually 2011's Winnie the Pooh that put the nail in the coffin for hand drawn animation. Few people even know it exists, and it's a charming (if very short) little film. But some moron over at Disney thought it would be a good idea to 1- give the movie almost no marketing and 2- release it on the same exact day as Deathly Hallows Part 2. It never had a chance. And we never saw a fully hand drawn feature length Disney film again.
CaptainAmerica
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It's very good.
There are a couple of exchanges (Owl's "cold"; Piglet and Rabbit discussing knots) that are among the funniest moments in any Disney movie. And the credits song, "So Long," is a banger.
FettFan
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I would argue that Pooh was actually a victim of Iger-Disney’s response to PatF, seeing as how production started in 2009 before PatF was released, and a number of PatF animators moved over to Pooh.
But after PatF didn’t perform as expected, the die was cast on DFA. Pesonally I’m of the opinion they were trying to leech off James Cameron’s Avatar….there’s this PG-13 science fiction movie being released, might as well offer something more family friendly. Had the released it in any other time, it would have fared better ( Little Mermaid was released 1 week before Thanksgiving in 1989, Beauty and the Beast was Thanksgiving week 1991, Aladdin was Thanksgiving 1992, Lion King was June 1994, Pocahontas June 1995)
Streaming was still a long way off (Netflix was still mail-renting DVDs), so they just sloughed it into theaters with little marketing or fanfare (just as they do with D+ today), while repeating their Avatar strategy by hoping for some return from parents who might think that Harry Potter was too intense for younger kids.
BrerFoxesBayouAdventure
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Disney failed the Br'ers and didn't use Splash Mountain as a springboard to introduce a new generation to these wonderful folktales and the characters from them.
TrainsOfDisney
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True. How about a Disney+ series on the original tales written, directed, and voiced by storytellers and talent who are from an African American heritage. Wouldn’t that honor the culture more?
Sorry, didn't know you were being sarcastic.
CaptainAmerica
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Tha Realest
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With the renewed focus on Tiana’s parents, I hope they get Oprah and Terence Howard back to do some voice work
Fox&Hound
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Even if the concern was that Tiana spends too much time as a frog, They could have kept it to the original but similar to Frozen Ever After. Have the ride take place after the film and Tiana (as a human animatronic) looks back on her adventure. Focus on the human part and summarize/condense the frog part. Also that would allow them to use Facilier but direct how he is interpreted.
CaptainAmerica
Premium Member
Down in New Orleans / Almost There in the first outdoor part of the ride.
Friends on the Other Side in the Laughin' Place.
Gonna Take You There (Going' Down the Bayou) at the bottom of the hill.
Dig a Little Deeper at the riverboat.
TheMaxRebo
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Definitely ways they could have made it work - or at least done some of that and some new stuff, but still hit the big beats/key songs and scenes from the original - people do like to sing-along with what they know
CatfishBend
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Probably not
Mike S
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Unless you want to use that term for Disney itself.