mickEblu
Well-Known Member
Lol. I don’t think it’s you. I’ve heard a lot of similar complaints.
-
Welcome to the WDWMAGIC.COM Forums!
Please take a look around, and feel free to sign up and join the community.
Tiana's Bayou Adventure: Disneyland Watch & Discussion
- Thread starter Californian Elitist
- Start date
Lol. I don’t think it’s you. I’ve heard a lot of similar complaints.
Practical Pig
Well-Known Member
Our boys grew to be much taller than we are, so the last couple of times we rode Splash we were able to use them as human shields. 
SuddenStorm
Well-Known Member
From what I understand, during the 2018 refurb that rebuilt the final drop they also rebuilt the dip drop that leads you into the 'Laughin' Place' segment of the attraction. There was an issue with the contractor or something and the drop got built improperly- which is why you get absolutely drenched at that segment of the ride now.
At least, that's what a lead working the attraction told me when I struck up conversation on the backstage shuttle a while back so take it with a grain of salt.
A lot of it to has to do with the weight distribution of the log. You don't want the heaviest person in the front.
180º
Well-Known Member
Wait. You’re telling me that the Laughin’ Place dip drop soaks you even more now? That was always the worst for me.
Splash Mountain Disneyland- Princess and the Frog Edition
This was designed with the current layout of Splash Mountain in mind, combined with the supposed info from Jim Hill (Plot about trumpet, 2 Tiana appearance, LP/Other Side...) Taking our seats in our newly painted logs, we begin the journey in a bayou riverbank (Light Green), and take off...
Brer Panther
Well-Known Member
@EagleScout610 gave me an idea... what if I were to do some "Armchair Imagineering" and design a Princess and the Frog ride for the parks that DOESN'T replace Splash Mountain but simply acts as a companion to it?
Disneyland's version would replace the Winnie the Pooh ride. I love Winnie the Pooh, but Disneyland's version of the ride is lousy and I think the character deserves a better ride in Fantasyland. The bridge is still there, a new wooden sign with Tiana, Naveen, and Louis over the entrance. The queue is designed to look like a bayou. You get in the ride vehicles (I dunno what they'd be, maybe boats?) and go inside the ride building. The Blustery Day scene is now a bayou like in the movie, at night, with Ray and the other fireflies providing illumination. Tiana and Naveen are seen aboard a riverboat, telling us that it's Mardi Gras and that we'll see them there and blah-blah-blah. Louis is inviting various animals to Mardi Gras, they all sing "Goin' Down the Bayou", blah blah blah. The Floody Place scene is more of the bayou, there are more singing animals and gags, but then we see Louis hiding behind a tree (or in a prickle bush or something) because there's hunters with guns around. We escape the hunters, and the next scene (the Tigger scene) has big, nasty gators like the ones that tried to eat Tiana and Naveen in the movie emerge from the water and try to devour us, but Louis, being a gator himself, reasons with them and we escape. Pooh's house is replaced by a scene where we and Louis are cut off in our tracks by that big tiki head thing from the movie, which opens its mouth, and out steps Dr. Facilier. He gives some handwaved reason as to why he's back and sends us into the realm of his "friends". The first half of the Heffalumps and Woozles scene is now populated by Dr. Facilier's "friends", with the tiki heads and the voodoo dolls drumming. The second half has Mama Odie showing up with a torch and spooking the "spirits" away. She fights Dr. Facilier. The scene with Pooh eating honey is now Louis and the guests escaping back to New Orleans. The scene with the Heffalump Bees is now the spoonbills leading us to Mardi Gras. The birthday party scene is now Mardi Gras, with Tiana, Naveen, Louis, and everyone partying and singing "Dig a Little Deeper" or "Down in New Orleans". As we leave, Ray appears and tells us, "Y'all come back, y'hear?" (a reference to Country Bear Jamboree) and we go back outside and arrive at the unload area.
The Magic Kingdom's version would replace Princess Fairytale Hall, which replaced Snow White's Scary Adventures. It'd be entirely indoors. Story-wise, it would be about the same as the Disneyland version, maybe with the track layout diverging a little. Maybe it could be a bit longer or include an extra scene.
So both parks would get a fun new Princess and the Frog ride, and Splash Mountain doesn't have to go. Everybody's happy. What do you all think?
Disneyland's version would replace the Winnie the Pooh ride. I love Winnie the Pooh, but Disneyland's version of the ride is lousy and I think the character deserves a better ride in Fantasyland. The bridge is still there, a new wooden sign with Tiana, Naveen, and Louis over the entrance. The queue is designed to look like a bayou. You get in the ride vehicles (I dunno what they'd be, maybe boats?) and go inside the ride building. The Blustery Day scene is now a bayou like in the movie, at night, with Ray and the other fireflies providing illumination. Tiana and Naveen are seen aboard a riverboat, telling us that it's Mardi Gras and that we'll see them there and blah-blah-blah. Louis is inviting various animals to Mardi Gras, they all sing "Goin' Down the Bayou", blah blah blah. The Floody Place scene is more of the bayou, there are more singing animals and gags, but then we see Louis hiding behind a tree (or in a prickle bush or something) because there's hunters with guns around. We escape the hunters, and the next scene (the Tigger scene) has big, nasty gators like the ones that tried to eat Tiana and Naveen in the movie emerge from the water and try to devour us, but Louis, being a gator himself, reasons with them and we escape. Pooh's house is replaced by a scene where we and Louis are cut off in our tracks by that big tiki head thing from the movie, which opens its mouth, and out steps Dr. Facilier. He gives some handwaved reason as to why he's back and sends us into the realm of his "friends". The first half of the Heffalumps and Woozles scene is now populated by Dr. Facilier's "friends", with the tiki heads and the voodoo dolls drumming. The second half has Mama Odie showing up with a torch and spooking the "spirits" away. She fights Dr. Facilier. The scene with Pooh eating honey is now Louis and the guests escaping back to New Orleans. The scene with the Heffalump Bees is now the spoonbills leading us to Mardi Gras. The birthday party scene is now Mardi Gras, with Tiana, Naveen, Louis, and everyone partying and singing "Dig a Little Deeper" or "Down in New Orleans". As we leave, Ray appears and tells us, "Y'all come back, y'hear?" (a reference to Country Bear Jamboree) and we go back outside and arrive at the unload area.
The Magic Kingdom's version would replace Princess Fairytale Hall, which replaced Snow White's Scary Adventures. It'd be entirely indoors. Story-wise, it would be about the same as the Disneyland version, maybe with the track layout diverging a little. Maybe it could be a bit longer or include an extra scene.
So both parks would get a fun new Princess and the Frog ride, and Splash Mountain doesn't have to go. Everybody's happy. What do you all think?
el_super
Well-Known Member
Splash Mountain still has to go.
DavidDL
Well-Known Member
The issue isn't a lack of Princess and the Frog. People aren't specifically asking for Princess and the Frog. The issue is Splash's connection to Song of the South. They're asking for those connections to leave.
Adding a Princess and the Frog ride next door does not make Splash's connections any less taboo.
Adding a Princess and the Frog ride next door does not make Splash's connections any less taboo.
What the others said. Splash must go, whether PatF replaces it or not. The problem is not a lack of PatF ride. The problem is SotS.
The whole purpose of this is to wipe Song Of the South from the parks. Theres close to no chance we get out of this without at least one Splash changing. Whether it be Princess and The Frog or not, all three will most likely be changed at some point in the future
Brer Panther
Well-Known Member
Yes, I'm perfectly aware. I don't think it should matter that the ride is based on Song of the South just so long as the ride itself isn't racist.
I'm not going to share my ideas with you people anymore.
180º
Well-Known Member
No one actually criticized your creative ideas! I think they were all just responding to your proposition that having a different PatF ride might satisfy the Splash Mountain problem. After all, you did make that comment directly before asking, “What do you all think?”
FWIW, I agree with them. However, your PatF ride sounds awesome and I’d totally ride it. And I think WDW needs it in their Fantasyland.
DavidDL
Well-Known Member
With all due respect, have you spoken to folks who might be affected about how they feel about the attraction and how they perceive it?
I, admittedly, also have a hard time coming to terms with the attraction being seen as "racist". Because I never considered how it made other people feel. Being White, I don't have the same experiences or perceptions as them and will never fully understand but when the change was announced, I still wanted to hear what these groups had to say. So I went to other Disney fan sites and actually directly messaged people of color to get a view of life outside my bubble regarding Splash.
Most of them said similar things. That to them, their friends and their family, it was basically the "racist animal ride". Special attention was called to the way some of the way characters like Brer Fox spoke. One of folks I spoke to had a father who was blind and without even being able to see anything, knew something wasn't right based entirely on the characters were speaking.
I had never even considered before that the ride might have been making people uncomfortable. I was glad to gain that insight, even if I still enjoy it. I can still say I enjoy the attraction but also recognize the problems it presents to others. I just see it in a new light.
I understand it can be tough. I understand it can be frustrating because as humans, we want to understand. It's in our nature and if we don't, then we can't accept it. But in this situation, it may be good to simply, "understand that you will never understand". Still, listen and stand as best you can. Just because we can't always see a problem doesn't mean it isn't there.
Brer Panther
Well-Known Member
Going "Splash Mountain still has to go because it's based on Song of the South" is in of itself a criticism of my idea. Nobody else aside from you said anything else about my idea, just THAT. And per usual, they're doing it in a really condescending and rude fashion.
It's becoming clear to me that most of the people on here don't really give a crap about The Princess and the Frog, they've just been brainwashed by Frederick Chambers and his fans into thinking that the ride was racist (just pointing out that the fact that it features characters and songs from Song of the South wasn't a well-kept secret before 2020) and are using it as a weapon against the Brers. Disney could be retheming the ride to Chicken Little or Home on the Range and these people would still be singing Disney's praises for retheming it.
Okay, four things here...
1) Not all people of color feel the same way about the ride. I obviously don't want anyone of color to feel uncomfortable while at a Disney park nor am I claiming that these people you talked too are wrong for feeling this way, just pointing that out.
2) Where were all of these people complaining about how racist the ride was before 2020? If the ride were seriously as racist as people are making it out to be, why are people only NOW pointing it out?
3) The Princess and the Frog has been dubbed racist too, y'know. Mama Odie is a stereotypical "sassy black woman". Dr. Facilier has some elements of being a black stereotype (practices voodoo, has big lips, etc.). If you're going to weaponize a movie to use against Song of the South and Splash Mountain, don't have it be a movie that suffers from the same problems.
4) I'm not Indian, but I still find Raj from The Big Bang Theory offensive. I was never offended by the natives on the Jungle Cruise, but I can at least SEE how somebody might find them offensive. I understand why Song of the South is considered offensive. I understand why the Indians from Peter Pan are considered offensive. So don't just throw the "you don't get it 'cause you're white!" excuse at me.
And finally, even if Splash Mountain DOES offend people, Disney isn't changing it because they care about how those people feel. The "it's been in development for a year, we swear!" excuse is blatant bullcrap. They're doing this because people demanded it and they were too afraid to ignore those people and leave the ride as is.
Last edited:
180º
Well-Known Member
Saying that most people who disagree with you or didn’t comment on your ideas are “brainwashed” is a bad-faith argument that I don’t really have an answer for, and it certainly won’t help turn discussion back to your creative ride description, which is a shame. Still, I hope you feel free to share more of your Imagineering ideas in the future. I would enjoy seeing more.
DavidDL
Well-Known Member
In Disneyland? Nah, bad idea. Princess and the Frog is just a hard choice to get mad at because I enjoy the film and it fits perfectly between New Orleans Square and Critter Country.
In Orlando? Princess and the Frog feels out of place in Frontierland, honestly.
But your Home on the Range idea, on the other hand..
Joking aside, let me be clear; I do not have anything against you as a person. I do not mean to come off rudely. I just want to do what I can to help educate and help others come to peace with this inevitable change. It's going to happen anyways, so why not just try to make the best of it and see where others are coming from? Just trying to help others understand see the light in what they see as a potentially dark situation.
Brer Panther
Well-Known Member
I'm sorry, I'm just getting tired of the people in support of this retheme nagging others for not being okay with it. And it seriously seems like all of this hatred towards Splash Mountain only began after Frederick Chambers posted his idea for a retheme of the ride based on The Princess and the Frog on Twitter.
I do not mean to come off rudely either. But I don't think I'm going to come to peace with this change. If this happens, at least one of the following things will likely happen as a result...
- The same people who demanded Splash Mountain be rethemed will start demanding Disney replace more rides they find problematic (I saw a petition to get rid of Dumbo).
- Disney will learn that bowing to pressure from the "woke mob" or whatever we're calling them will work out in their favor.
- The retheme will likely turn out to be crappy and we'll all be stuck with a crappy ride.
- Disney will suffer from financial problems, what with them being in the middle of a PANDEMIC.
- People who find The Princess and the Frog racist will start demanding the ride be rethemed again.
- If Disney DID come up with the idea themselves and use Frederick Chambers to orchestrate the demand to make them retheme Splash Mountain so as to avoid getting flack for replacing a popular ride, they'll learn that they can manipulate and use people to get away with replacing popular rides.
- If the "we were planning this for a while" claim they're throwing at us IS a lie (which I'm still fully convinced it is), Frederick Chambers will become even MORE egotistical over the fact that he got a Disney ride changed.
- People are still going to argue with each other over whether or not Splash Mountain was racist.
I'm not seeing a bright side to any of this.
The ride already isn’t racist, but Disney is still getting rid of it because of Song of the South, which is the problem here. That’s the point we were trying to make.
Whether you want to share ideas with us or not is your prerogative.