Tiana's Bayou Adventure: Disneyland Watch & Discussion

[TomboyJanet]

Sure, but I'm doubtful it will match the fierce Disney loyalty we see today. Adults willing to pay astronomical prices for annual passes? As we drift further away from the Walt and Eisner eras, and the brand becomes increasingly diluted via acquisitions and trips to WDW become more convoluted, expensive, and stressful, I have to imagine people will come to see Disney as just another company, and other themed experiences may supplant Disney.

Won't happen overnight. And it's just a prediction. We can agree to disagree.

I agree I just hope that someone takes over who understands what Disney was, perhaps someone who grew up in the 90s and saw these changes. Its not impossible. Can you Imagine if they decided to restore Epcot to something that was actually special and unique? I mean with the rumored destruction of Frontierland right now it's like they are demolishing entire parks, ICONIC BELOVED LANDMARK PARKS, and replacing them with something more like a standard run of the mill hit of the moment rides are very temporary garbage land. What's the point of me going to Disney World if it's no longer Disney World?

 

[celluloid]

No, there will be plenty of future generations who will find the brand special, but it will be for their own, unique reasons. They will like and value different things, based on what they grew up with and what is familiar to them, just like every generation.

When the business struggles, I don't know how one defines "plenty." It is a word that is rather subjective.

The brand is currently damaged, future unknown on how they restructure and handle it.

 

[celluloid]

I'm 26, Gen Z. Anyone who was a kid in the 00's recognizes this.

Just a note since you are 26 you are in the oldest group you can be and sitll be Gen Z. There is there are many in your generation that were raised on competitors being close enough, and witnessing other products or service changes diminishing it. There is an entire generation after you who definitely has been raised on Netflix cartoon series from Dreamworks and Illumination films over Disney being the majority.

Things change.

Disney is not dead, but that margin being so big is long gone.

Gen X and Y see through the crap and don't like it, and the Generation after you is not all attention in on it.

 

[Californian Elitist]

Sure, but I'm doubtful it will match the fierce Disney loyalty we see today. Adults willing to pay astronomical prices for annual passes? As we drift further away from the Walt and Eisner eras, and the brand becomes increasingly diluted via acquisitions and trips to WDW become more convoluted, expensive, and stressful, I have to imagine people will come to see Disney as just another company, and other themed experiences may supplant Disney.

Won't happen overnight. And it's just a prediction. We can agree to disagree.

When the business struggles, I don't know how one defines "plenty." It is a word that is rather subjective.

The brand is currently damaged, future unknown on how they restructure and handle it.

I’ll just respond to both at the same time. Prices have been rising every year and people are still finding ways to support the company. It sounds like your predictions are based on your own personal feelings towards the company. The company is 100 years old with a league of followers. More will more likely than not come, for whatever reason(s).

The brand is “damaged” to you. To claim it’s damaged overall is far-fetched.

Agree to disagree.

 

[celluloid]

The brand is “damaged” to you. To claim it’s damaged overall is far-fetched.

Agree to disagree.

You disagree with Stock, which is factual for business.

You can feel how you want about nostalgia all you want. No prediction necessary. Disney is currently not growing.

 

[Californian Elitist]

You disagree with Stock, which is factual for business.

You can feel how you want about nostalgia all you want. No prediction necessary. Disney is currently not growing.

K.

 

[Nirya]

I suspect we are the last generation that will understand/remember the Disney brand as something special.

Pretty sure you could find this exact same statement being made by people back in the 1960s, and the 70s, and the 80s and so on and so forth. It's like clockwork, deciding that the next generation will have some kind of failing/be failed before it is even allowed to take place.

 

[celluloid]

Pretty sure you could find this exact same statement being made by people back in the 1960s, and the 70s, and the 80s and so on and so forth. It's like clockwork, deciding that the next generation will have some kind of failing/be failed before it is even allowed to take place.

For sure there is ebb and flow. The 70s were the last downturn in Disney comparable. But that was an era that struggled in creating things that Walt no longer had any origin or much influence on in a rough economy. Today's economy can be rough but it still has major wins from others as Disney's stays stale and falls short as of recent. It makes sense. The Post Modernism era was over and Vietnam happened. Disney went through a timein the 70s when it was just kids stuff. The Bedknobs and Broomsticks era was really difficult for the company. The 80s specifically was animation down, but again that was because competition from other animation theatrical attempts while Disney's products were underfunded.

Now is different because every sector of their company is delivering what many people feel is less than what it used to be, and new stuff that is completely having no interest.
Mix that with Fatigue of what was good to them, and you have a bigger ebb is going to require a bigger flow to get back to what it was.

 

[Nirya]

For sure there is ebb and flow. The 70s were the last downturn in Disney comparable. But that was an era that struggled in creating things that Walt no longer had any origin or much influence on in a rough economy. Today's economy can be rough but it still has major wins from others as Disney's stays stale and falls short as of recent. It makes sense. The Post Modernism era was over and Vietnam happened. Disney went through a timein the 70s when it was just kids stuff. The Bedknobs and Broomsticks era was really difficult for the company. The 80s specifically was animation down, but again that was because competition from other animation theatrical attempts while Disney's products were underfunded.

Now is different because every sector of their company is delivering what many people feel is less than what it used to be, and new stuff that is completely having no interest.
Mix that with Fatigue of what was good to them, and you have a bigger ebb is going to require a bigger flow to get back to what it was.

I think you're just trying to justify a thing that continually happens. People get disenchanted with the product, stock goes down, new people take over, stock and interest goes back up. This is nothing new and will continue to be nothing new.

(Also if I were to analyze the stock price like you want, I'd say that Disney stock was just massively inflated at the start of the pandemic and is just now returning to where it was pre-pandemic, and has a stock price exacerbated by the current WGA/SGA strikes/new lawsuits like the Disney+ and Magic Key ones revealing that the books may have been cooked a bit, not necessarily because of a lack of interest in Disney products).

 

[Consumer]

Pretty sure you could find this exact same statement being made by people back in the 1960s, and the 70s, and the 80s and so on and so forth. It's like clockwork, deciding that the next generation will have some kind of failing/be failed before it is even allowed to take place.

What makes the 60's, 70's, and 80's different is that Disney of those days still honored and promoted their classic films. Even though their new releases were duds, children of the era still were able to form an emotional attachment to Snow White, Pinocchio, Bambi, and so on. Modern Disney has decided those properties are outdated and prefer to ignore them, leaving kids today only with the company's new releases. Frankly, I just can't see an entire generation having an undying loyalty to the corporation responsible for Raya and the Last Dragon.

 

[Nirya]

What makes the 60's, 70's, and 80's different is that Disney of those days still honored and promoted their classic films. Even though their new releases were duds, children of the era still were able to form an emotional attachment to Snow White, Pinocchio, Bambi, and so on. Modern Disney has decided those properties are outdated and prefer to ignore them, leaving kids today only with the company's new releases. Frankly, I just can't see an entire generation having an undying loyalty to the corporation responsible for Raya and the Last Dragon.

Is the assumption that children aren't able to connect at all to the early Disney classics because they are unavailable? Or that there are no recent Disney releases that children have an emotional attachment to? Because the swathes of parents who still have to deal with their kids demanding to watch Frozen would maybe have a different opinion of this topic (to say nothing of the love that movies like Encanto and the entirety of Pixar engender).

 

[GimpYancIent]

Sure, but I'm doubtful it will match the fierce Disney loyalty we see today. Adults willing to pay astronomical prices for annual passes? As we drift further away from the Walt and Eisner eras, and the brand becomes increasingly diluted via acquisitions and trips to WDW become more convoluted, expensive, and stressful, I have to imagine people will come to see Disney as just another company, and other themed experiences may supplant Disney.

Won't happen overnight. And it's just a prediction. We can agree to disagree.

Actually, the "just another company" reality is occurring as we speak.

 

[Consumer]

Is the assumption that children aren't able to connect at all to the early Disney classics because they are unavailable? Or that there are no recent Disney releases that children have an emotional attachment to? Because the swathes of parents who still have to deal with their kids demanding to watch Frozen would maybe have a different opinion of this topic (to say nothing of the love that movies like Encanto and the entirety of Pixar engender).

Frozen came out nearly 10 years ago, hardly a new release. Encanto may be the only success the company has had in recent years, and even then I'm not convinced it's that successful. Strange World, Raya, Frozen 2, Wreck-It Ralph 2; these movies have all been forgettable if not outright failures. Same goes for Pixar's latest work. Incredibles 2, Toy Story 4, Onward, Soul, Luca, Turning Red, Lightyear, Elemental. None of these have made any lasting impression the way movies like Toy Story, Monsters Inc, Finding Nemo, Up, or even more recent Pixar movies like Inside Out or Coco managed to.

 

[Professortango1]

I’ll just respond to both at the same time. Prices have been rising every year and people are still finding ways to support the company. It sounds like your predictions are based on your own personal feelings towards the company. The company is 100 years old with a league of followers. More will more likely than not come, for whatever reason(s).

The brand is “damaged” to you. To claim it’s damaged overall is far-fetched.

Agree to disagree.

Disney is becoming less iconic and one of many. From their struggling films as of late to Universal soaking up more and more business and nostalgia for future generations.

When my friends with kids think of a family theme park, they think of Universal now. That feels like home to them now, not Disney.

I grew up at Disneyland, was pottytrained there over the summer, and my mom is laid to rest there. Even I visit less and less and visit other parks far more. Disney has just been taking away the things I like bit by bit and I find there's less for me to enjoy. Its not I'm going to stop going since I can't visit the Fort or relax in the Court of Angels, but I have stopped visiting DCA after Pixar Pier, Mission BO replaced TOT, and the loss of TTBAB. Death by a thousand cuts.

 

[Californian Elitist]

Disney is becoming less iconic and one of many. From their struggling films as of late to Universal soaking up more and more business and nostalgia for future generations.

When my friends with kids think of a family theme park, they think of Universal now. That feels like home to them now, not Disney.

I grew up at Disneyland, was pottytrained there over the summer, and my mom is laid to rest there. Even I visit less and less and visit other parks far more. Disney has just been taking away the things I like bit by bit and I find there's less for me to enjoy. Its not I'm going to stop going since I can't visit the Fort or relax in the Court of Angels, but I have stopped visiting DCA after Pixar Pier, Mission BO replaced TOT, and the loss of TTBAB. Death by a thousand cuts.

This does not mean that all future generations are no-gos in terms of finding the company special and having an adoration of it (I added that last part).

 

[BrianLo]

Frozen came out nearly 10 years ago, hardly a new release. Encanto may be the only success the company has had in recent years, and even then I'm not convinced it's that successful. Strange World, Raya, Frozen 2, Wreck-It Ralph 2; these movies have all been forgettable if not outright failures. Same goes for Pixar's latest work. Incredibles 2, Toy Story 4, Onward, Soul, Luca, Turning Red, Lightyear, Elemental. None of these have made any lasting impression the way movies like Toy Story, Monsters Inc, Finding Nemo, Up, or even more recent Pixar movies like Inside Out or Coco managed to.

Maybe attachment for you? I wonder if you are out of touch with what young kids are watching.

Encanto, Frozen and yes Frozen 2 are all massive on D+. Coco, Zootopia, Turning Red are also consistent hits and cycle aggressively on streaming. Elemental has yet to hit and Luca was a bigger streaming hit than people think it was.

You've also conveniently forgotten the biggest workhorse of all, Moana. She is absolutely massive amongst the current young paediatric population.

I'm not arguing that it has been very inconsistent recently, but we also are not living through the 2000's where almost nothing other than Stitch connected. It's important to note not just the movies that pop (like an Illumination film), but the movies that actually stick on the chart year(s) after their release. Moana, Frozen, Frozen 2, Zootopia, Luca, Coco, almost assuredly Encanto. Not a single Illumination or Dreamworks movie fits the bill.

 

[Professortango1]

This does not mean that all future generations are no-gos in terms of finding the company special and having an adoration of it (I added that last part).

Very true. I'm just saying that Disney is losing their monopoly over nostalgia. My buddy now does a Disney AP every 3 years with their family. One year of Knotts, one year of Universal, one year of Disney.

 

[Dear Prudence]

I suspect we are the last generation that will understand/remember the Disney brand as something special.

I unfortunately have to agree with you. It (or, rather, the people in charge of it) finds itself being too much in competition with other parks instead of reinforcing what made it special. Everything feels cheap and poorly designed/ ill-thought out. The films are forgettable, with a few solid hits, but I can't foresee any of them having the same lasting impact or staying power that older films had. And I don't think it's being bitter or an Overly Nostalgic Millennial, the difference in quality is measurable.

Just think to when you and I (I'm 36) were kids and the whole park *worked*. There were no effects out, no just turning the lights out on a scene and hoping no one notices. Even the Disney films, they weren't afraid to take risks and respect their kid (and adult audiences). In re: * most recent films, I thought Raya was a nice enough film (and I did cry at the end, don't @ me, people), but it was just missing something (the criticisms from Southeast Asian viewers were also noted before watching). It was way too heavy-handed, coupled with the clumsy and lazy writing. (It's been a strange combination recently of being both a try-hard and barely trying at all).

Edit: also, there were films that came out within the last 5 years that I really, really enjoyed and I do think have the staying power of some of the older films

 

[Dear Prudence]

Maybe attachment for you? I wonder if you are out of touch with what young kids are watching.

Encanto, Frozen and yes Frozen 2 are all massive on D+. Coco, Zootopia, Turning Red are also consistent hits and cycle aggressively on streaming. Elemental has yet to hit and Luca was a bigger streaming hit than people think it was.

You've also conveniently forgotten the biggest workhorse of all, Moana. She is absolutely massive amongst the current young paediatric population.

I'm not arguing that it has been very inconsistent recently, but we also are not living through the 2000's where almost nothing other than Stitch connected. It's important to note not just the movies that pop (like an Illumination film), but the movies that actually stick on the chart year(s) after their release. Moana, Frozen, Frozen 2, Zootopia, Luca, Coco, almost assuredly Encanto. Not a single Illumination or Dreamworks movie fits the bill.

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TBF, those years were during the height of Covid and lockdowns with little else to do other than stream movies. (Although I LOVE Turning Red and Moana being so high up there in 2022.)

 

[Californian Elitist]

Very true. I'm just saying that Disney is losing their monopoly over nostalgia. My buddy now does a Disney AP every 3 years with their family. One year of Knotts, one year of Universal, one year of Disney.

This is true. With that being said, this has likely been happening for decades. There were people in the 80s and 90s saying the same thing.

We also have fans that haven’t changed the way they consume Disney products and have no intentions to because they’re unbothered.