Tiana's Bayou Adventure: Disneyland Watch & Discussion

[TrainsOfDisney]

Just as Snow White's Scary Adventures had Silly Song, the Mines, Witch Transformation, woods chase, and witch with boulder without being a book report.

Pinocchio doesn't feature Gepetto wishing upon the star or meeting Pinocchio, Jimminy's interactions with the Blue Fairy, being inside the whale, or even Pinocchio becoming a real boy. These are moments I would be we'd see if the ride were built today.

I’m not sure what your definition of a book report is I guess. And that’s ok, we can define them differently. I don’t mind the idea of a book report ride at all….. I just want it to be fun and well done and impressive!

 

[Professortango1]

I’m not sure what your definition of a book report is I guess. And that’s ok, we can define them differently. I don’t mind the idea of a book report ride at all….. I just want it to be fun and well done and impressive!

A book report is focused on telling us the story of the movie and just recreating scenes rather than amplifying a feeling or idea.

Pinocchio is about running away from home
Snow White used to be about fleeing the Witch
Peter Pan's first half and ending is focused on soaring with the last few scenes being slightly off with the focus on narrative elements
Toad is a nightmare and about feeling out of control with a mania

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

A book report is focused on telling us the story of the movie and just recreating scenes rather than amplifying a feeling or idea.

Pinocchio is about running away from home
Snow White used to be about fleeing the Witch
Peter Pan's first half and ending is focused on soaring with the last few scenes being slightly off with the focus on narrative elements
Toad is a nightmare and about feeling out of control with a mania

To me, Peter Pan and Pinocchio are the definition of book report rides. Alice is less so, but still hits the major parts of the movie and the major characters. Toad and Roger are examples of not being book reports but having elements and the feeling of the movie.

My opinion of course.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Again, I subscribe to Forbes. I read that article when it first came out last year. As I remember it now, it was a puff piece.

Don't know why anyone would want to subscribe to a magazine that produces puff pieces.

 

[MisterPenguin]

They do something similar in Flight of Passage where you have to raise your arms because scary alien parasites are attached to the guests and the scientists need to get them off. Both GotG and FoP have the same issue of an extremely long pre-show that feels longer than the ride itself.

The pre-shows don't delay you from getting on the ride, they're there to entertain you while you're in line. If they weren't there, you'd be just standing in a line with nothing happening for the same amount of time.

With FoP, sometimes I've had pre-shows which were so quick, that there weren't any parasite scans. Those parasite scans and few other subroutines are there to hold you because the previous batch of riders took extra time to get into their vehicles and your 'flight' isn't ready to go.

 

[Communicora]

Just to make sure I understand you, because the plethora of details in MMRR weren’t shared in blog posts, they are acceptable? The details being put into TBA aren’t acceptable because they are being shared before the attraction opens. Is that what you’re saying?

I would argue that Disney’s different approach with this attraction clearly stems from how it came to be. They are trying to prove themselves by sharing that they’re doing their homework and putting effort into the ride that is replacing the one that is based on a racist Disney movie, but was iconic and a mega fan attraction. The removal of Splash is a very big deal, and they know this. This isn’t like the removal of ToT. To me, it’s very obvious what they’re trying to accomplish and do by sharing tidbits. Instead of getting upset/worked up/angry/whatever other negative feeling, I’m going to sit back and see if they can and will prove themselves with Tiana and fix the mistake of using SotS for inspiration for its predecessor. What they’ve shared so far is not personally concerning, but I’m aware it’s different for many others.

It's not that the details aren't acceptable, it's that they aren't effective at getting people excited about the new attraction. For me, it's a two-pronged problem. The Imagineers get obsessed with their details and easter eggs, sometimes to the neglect of delivering an entertaining and effective experience. I certainly hope that isn't the case with this attraction, but we've seen it in a big way with other projects like Smugglers Run. Then there's the marketing team that regurgitates these precious little morsels instead of saying, "Hey, can you just email a photo of the model or one of the Tiana animatronics in progress?" The best way to get people to move on from Splash is to tease some things that will make people excited about what is replacing it.

I also think it's unfair to ascribe dramatic emotions to people who want to to talk about this. This is a discussion board. We are going to want to discuss information as it is released. It's weird that people are bothered by this.

 

[PiratesMansion]

What fans don’t like monsters inc.!? It’s a fantastic dark ride as are other classic book report dark rides like Peter Pan, Pinochio, Alice, Snow White…

Little mermaid has sooooo many issues but the book report part isn’t really the problem.

I remember reading reports around the time it opened that essentially wrote it off as some chintzy little ride that was better than Superstar Limo but not much else. Even now, you can find several videos that point out every reskinned SSL animatronic and recycled element, and I don't know that all of those come from a place of love.

I know I'm not imagining people complaining about Little Mermaid being a book report ride. Not saying there weren't/aren't other issues with the ride, but that was/is absolutely one of the top complaints.

It might just be a situation where people, over time, forget their original grievances and come to embrace imperfect elements of the park. Tarzan's Treehouse, for example, pretty much everywhere I followed Disney anything, was widely dismissed and insulted for being so cheap and inferior when compared to SFT for many of its early years, but eventually became mildly beloved. A similar thing happened with A Bug's Land. And the people who swear that everyone always loved the original Star Tours and people miss it? That's an example of the opposite situation. In reality, the only people I see complaining about that change are a handful of people on here, but in the years before they updated it, the ride was widely seen as outdated, and everyone and their mother online on boards like these was practically begging for the ride to get a big refresh.

I think some people just have short memories and/or like to rewrite history to suit their agenda.

 

[EagleScout610]

 

[DavidDL]

This bit from the latest Micechat article got a chuckle out of me:

"We sure do hope the messaging about this ride shifts to the good stuff soon because guests walking by these construction walls are confused. We heard more than one family talking about how upset they were that one of their favorite rides was being replaced by a restaurant."

I could see how the average Guest might think this with the words, "Tiana's Foods - Employee Owned" plastered everywhere. I'll agree with them that they should probably be lining these walls with the concept art for the attraction that they've shared with us already, to generate more excitement.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

That’s a great point - it does look like it’s being replaced by a restaurant!

 

[Californian Elitist]

It's not that the details aren't acceptable, it's that they aren't effective at getting people excited about the new attraction. For me, it's a two-pronged problem. The Imagineers get obsessed with their details and easter eggs, sometimes to the neglect of delivering an entertaining and effective experience. I certainly hope that isn't the case with this attraction, but we've seen it in a big way with other projects like Smugglers Run. Then there's the marketing team that regurgitates these precious little morsels instead of saying, "Hey, can you just email a photo of the model or one of the Tiana animatronics in progress?" The best way to get people to move on from Splash is to tease some things that will make people excited about what is replacing it.

I also think it's unfair to ascribe dramatic emotions to people who want to to talk about this. This is a discussion board. We are going to want to discuss information as it is released. It's weird that people are bothered by this.

They’re not effective at getting you and a few others excited. How do you explain the people who are getting excited about this after the announcements? What’s going on there?

I’m not ascribing dramatic emotions to people who want to talk about this. I created the thread. I’m not bothered by people talking about the project. What I do find irritating and annoying are the contradictions and hypocrisy, echo chambers of people who seem to want to be upset and mad at every little thing, the assumptions being made based on little information, and the fake concern about preserving black culture and heritage. I’m one of very few in this challenging the echo chamber and the irrationality in this thread and will continue to do so, just as others will continue to post their own thoughts and opinions.

 

[Consumer]

I remember reading reports around the time it opened that essentially wrote it off as some chintzy little ride that was better than Superstar Limo but not much else. Even now, you can find several videos that point out every reskinned SSL animatronic and recycled element, and I don't know that all of those come from a place of love.

I know I'm not imagining people complaining about Little Mermaid being a book report ride. Not saying there weren't/aren't other issues with the ride, but that was/is absolutely one of the top complaints.

It might just be a situation where people, over time, forget their original grievances and come to embrace imperfect elements of the park. Tarzan's Treehouse, for example, pretty much everywhere I followed Disney anything, was widely dismissed and insulted for being so cheap and inferior when compared to SFT for many of its early years, but eventually became mildly beloved. A similar thing happened with A Bug's Land. And the people who swear that everyone always loved the original Star Tours and people miss it? That's an example of the opposite situation. In reality, the only people I see complaining about that change are a handful of people on here, but in the years before they updated it, the ride was widely seen as outdated, and everyone and their mother online on boards like these was practically begging for the ride to get a big refresh.

I think some people just have short memories and/or like to rewrite history to suit their agenda.

I stand by that the original Star Tours, while in need of an update, was better. I also will die in opposition to Mission Breakout and defense of Tower of Terror, as well as nearly all changes to PotC. For the most part, I find I’m indifferent to the majority of changes to Disneyland.

 

[DavidDL]

... I also will die in opposition to Mission Breakout and defense of Tower of Terror ...

I know it's unrelated to the attraction being discussed but I'll die alongside you on this one.

 

[Figments Friend]

This bit from the latest Micechat article got a chuckle out of me:

"We sure do hope the messaging about this ride shifts to the good stuff soon because guests walking by these construction walls are confused. We heard more than one family talking about how upset they were that one of their favorite rides was being replaced by a restaurant."

I could see how the average Guest might think this with the words, "Tiana's Foods - Employee Owned" plastered everywhere. I'll agree with them that they should probably be lining these walls with the concept art for the attraction that they've shared with us already, to generate more excitement.

Agree.

I have actually been waiting to hear if anyone else has noticed similar reactions by Guests like this.
The 'Tiana Foods' signage really does confuse your average Park goer who has no clue this is related to the forthcoming Attractions theme.

Perhaps this will be addressed soon, with some added graphics.

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[retr0gate]

Still waiting for that guy who kept saying he would "eat crow" if DL Splash closed to show up

 

[SuddenStorm]

There's no way this is real. Someone has to be using this to launder money or something.

 

[CaptinEO]

This bit from the latest Micechat article got a chuckle out of me:

"We sure do hope the messaging about this ride shifts to the good stuff soon because guests walking by these construction walls are confused. We heard more than one family talking about how upset they were that one of their favorite rides was being replaced by a restaurant."

I could see how the average Guest might think this with the words, "Tiana's Foods - Employee Owned" plastered everywhere. I'll agree with them that they should probably be lining these walls with the concept art for the attraction that they've shared with us already, to generate more excitement.

My point exactly.

 

[CaptinEO]

They’re not effective at getting you and a few others excited. How do you explain the people who are getting excited about this after the announcements? What’s going on there?

I’m not ascribing dramatic emotions to people who want to talk about this. I created the thread. I’m not bothered by people talking about the project. What I do find irritating and annoying are the contradictions and hypocrisy, echo chambers of people who seem to want to be upset and mad at every little thing, the assumptions being made based on little information, and the fake concern about preserving black culture and heritage. I’m one of very few in this challenging the echo chamber and the irrationality in this thread and will continue to do so, just as others will continue to post their own thoughts and opinions.

Why is it not valid for someone to be upset or critical about Disney's own press releases? It's not to nitpick. I want whatever replaces Splash to be awesome.

Many people have expressed concern from these press releases, even Micechat now.

I certainly don't want this to fail, and I'm sure neither do you. We all want the best end result. People being skeptical can only hopefully result in feedback potentially being heard from everyone and a better ride.

I don't think people here are mad or that discussion here is from people wanting this to fail. It's more head scratching at Disney Parks Blog / WDI and their backstories than anything.

 

[Californian Elitist]

Why is it not valid for someone to be upset or critical about Disney's own press releases? It's not to nitpick. I want whatever replaces Splash to be awesome.

Many people have expressed concern from these press releases, even Micechat now.

I certainly don't want this to fail, and I'm sure neither do you. We all want the best end result. People being skeptical can only hopefully result in feedback potentially being heard from everyone and a better ride.

I don't think people here are mad or that discussion here is from people wanting this to fail. It's more head scratching at Disney Parks Blog / WDI and their backstories than anything.

It’s one thing to be upset and critical, but what’s been going on in this thread is not exactly that. Not recently, at least. There were multiple posts of folks getting hung up over the announcement of brief WWI details that will be in the attraction…getting their undies caught in a bunch over something they said would be “touched on.” That’s just one example of the irrational commentary.

I’m not the only one who sees it.

 

[BrerFoxesBayouAdventure]

I stand by that the original Star Tours, while in need of an update, was better. I also will die in opposition to Mission Breakout and defense of Tower of Terror, as well as nearly all changes to PotC. For the most part, I find I’m indifferent to the majority of changes to Disneyland.

I'm all for changing controversial aspects of attractions like the bride auction in PotC or the natives in Jungle Cruise.

It’s one thing to be upset and critical, but what’s been going on in this thread is not exactly that. Not recently, at least. There were multiple posts of folks getting hung up over the announcement of brief WWI details that will be in the attraction…getting their undies caught in a bunch over something they said would be “touched on.” That’s just one example of the irrational commentary.

I’m not the only one who sees it.

I want them to do more than just touch on it, make the entire ride a thrilling trip through a WWI battlefield complete with a jazzy orchestral soundtrack.