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Tiana's Bayou Adventure: Disneyland Watch & Discussion
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Fans are never satisfied. There are various examples of contradictions in the community. This is one of those examples.
SuddenStorm
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I beg to differ. Never have we come closer to Disneyland fan community peace then when this beauty was debuted-
CaptinEO
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Nothing wrong with book report rides. Alice, Pinocchio, and Peter Pan pretty much show the key scenes of those movies and are still great rides IMO.
Star Tours is a randomized book report of all the key action scenes for the whole film series.
Tony Baxter made one quote about book report in regards to Little Mermaid and people have been quoting it ever since. I doubt when he said it he meant it as the be all end all.
I'm glad Walt didn't make the ride "Peter Pan 2 Wendy's Library Adventure" with added historical lessons about how the British empire was wrong to invade India.
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SuddenStorm
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Exactly. It's important a ride isn't a book report scene by scene retelling of the film- that's uninspired, boring, and defeats the purpose of building a ride.
There does have to be iconic elements from the film, however a ride should exist in its own setting/time/story. Using the boulder in Indy, or having C3P0 in the queue of Star Tours are examples of this.
Or, if a ride will essentially be a retelling of the film, it needs to capture an emotional element and bring it to life. Peter Pan's Flight does this wonderfully.
It should go without saying that the caveat here is that things have to be done well. A book report ride that's well thought out, well designed, and well built will always be better than a ride that isn't.
CaptinEO
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I will sum it up this way. WDI has so far given me nothing to be excited about and I am reacting to their information and communication directly.
So far I know its an employee owned company in a salt mine looking for a missing ingredient that has all cultures represented and features historical lessons about World War 1.
Until we found out more I'll continue to be concerned. Splash is gone and I'm not mad about it these days, Disney didn't maintain it anyways and let it rot.
WDI's modern track record is questionable/bad these days so I have every right to be pessimistic.
Add on the fact that the company is facing a years record low stock price and we can only imagine how budget cuts can effect this rides.
Look up any Disney history to see how the parks suffer cuts when the company is poorly performing.
Now I will say that I think Rise of the Resistance is amazing and Mickey's Railway is an excellent addition so there is some hope there.
So far I know its an employee owned company in a salt mine looking for a missing ingredient that has all cultures represented and features historical lessons about World War 1.
Until we found out more I'll continue to be concerned. Splash is gone and I'm not mad about it these days, Disney didn't maintain it anyways and let it rot.
WDI's modern track record is questionable/bad these days so I have every right to be pessimistic.
Add on the fact that the company is facing a years record low stock price and we can only imagine how budget cuts can effect this rides.
Look up any Disney history to see how the parks suffer cuts when the company is poorly performing.
Now I will say that I think Rise of the Resistance is amazing and Mickey's Railway is an excellent addition so there is some hope there.
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Yeah, all five of us. But I’m referring to the community in general. We can’t all be pleased. It’s impossible, of course. So, Disney does what they want.
D.Silentu
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I feel the same, let's hope they keep it up.
TrainsOfDisney
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Runaway was the final project for legendary imagineer Kevin Rafferty - he was the last of the great “second generation” along with Baxter and Rohde.
Rise was Scott Trowbridge… is he still around?
Rise was Scott Trowbridge… is he still around?
Vegas Disney Fan
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This is a good point, most of the complaints with modern Disney rides have been exterior based, ugly Guardians building at DCA, big blue building in Epcot, etc... but the rides themselves have been good. With Splash Mtn already being stunning on the outside and the Imagineers only changing the inside (for the most part) maybe it won't have the same issues as other recent rides.
BrerFoxesBayouAdventure
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I actually like book report rides, they translate the story of a film into a three-dimensional space so you can experience it in a completely different way than just buying the dvd or whatever and watching it at home.
If they're good or not entirely depends on the execution, and I think Splash Mountain does a rather satisfactual job of summing up its film counterpart's story. Snow White's Scary Adventures and Pooh (WDW version) are also pretty good IMO.
TrainsOfDisney
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What fans don’t like monsters inc.!? It’s a fantastic dark ride as are other classic book report dark rides like Peter Pan, Pinochio, Alice, Snow White…
Little mermaid has sooooo many issues but the book report part isn’t really the problem.
Professortango1
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I wouldn't call Peter Pan, Pinocchio, or Snow White's Scary Adventures a book report ride. That's why they work IMHO. Snow White has moved to try to be more book reportish, and I think it creates a jarring and rushed experience. Peter's Pan's strongest portion is the first half and the majesty of flying through the stars.
These rides work best when they are embracing an idea or a theme rather than a retelling. Pinocchio is about running away from home. We have the allure of adventure and temptation as well as the feeling of discovering how scary the world is and wanting to find our way back home. The flip side of that is Little Mermaid where they said they used the music as the binding element. However music is a device, it isn't a thread of theme. That's why the Little Mermaid attraction feels aimless and like a progression of scenes rather than a self-contained work of art.
As for Monsters Inc....Its one of my least favourite Dark Rides. I don't HATE it, but it is the least charming.
1. Roger Rabbit's Cartoon Spin
2. Snow White's Scary Adventures (RIP)
3. Pinocchio's Daring Journey
4. Mr. Toad's Wild Ride
5. Alice in Wonderland
6. The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh
7. Peter Pan's Flight
8. Snow White's Enchanted Wish
9. Monster's Inc; Mike and Sully to the Rescue
mickEblu
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Exactly. Mermaids problem is execution. That we passively go AROUND every scene on a very slow moving vehicle. But instead of being in a super dark and detailed Haunted Mansion or even just a dark intimate Fantasyland dark ride you re slowly passing by a bunch of visually boring sets that are brightly lit with scary Ariel AAs and a bunch of plastic figures. The ride experience doesn’t live up to the expectations of the source material. Especially for a ride that opens in 2011. I think that celebration scene at the end of Mermaid is perhaps my least favorite scene on any indoor ride at DLR.
It’s not because we’re hearing songs and seeing scenes from the movie. If the “book report” was the main issue that would mean if we swapped out all the scenes and songs from the ride for ones from some unreleased Little Mermaid 3 that would fix everything. The ride system/ ride layout are the what kill the ride. Do we have any examples of a bright omnimover ride that works?
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TrainsOfDisney
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Well it hits all the moments from the movie. Marionette - caught in a cage, off to pleasure island, then the salt mine, then monstro the whale, then the blue fairy and a return to home all narrated by jiminy cricket!
CaptinEO
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Secret Life of Pets at Universal. But it doesn't have giant open rooms.
Mermaid has full on rooms where you circle around and see all the other vehicles in a bright room.
mickEblu
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Secret Life of Pets has grown on me a little bit but I just don’t like bright dark rides. They just don’t work for me. I also don’t have any connection to the source material. To your point most people seem to like it. But I think part of that is that they re just so happy Universal Studios Hollywood finally has a dark ride.
CaptinEO
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Yes.
Professortango1
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Just as Snow White's Scary Adventures had Silly Song, the Mines, Witch Transformation, woods chase, and witch with boulder without being a book report.
Pinocchio doesn't feature Gepetto wishing upon the star or meeting Pinocchio, Jimminy's interactions with the Blue Fairy, being inside the whale, or even Pinocchio becoming a real boy. These are moments I would be we'd see if the ride were built today.