Tiana's Bayou Adventure: Disneyland Watch & Discussion

Brer Panther

Brer Panther

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Dear Prudence said:
Current Splash has gaps with 'nothing happening,' too. I wouldn't exactly call they geese fishing riveting plot points, but the pauses and the ~atmospheric~ stuff is nice. Constantly being suffocated with *STUFF HAPPENING* isn't that great. We don't even meet Brer Rabbit on the DLR Splash until after we see the trick he played on Brer Fox and Brer Bear. We literally don't know what's going to happen on TBA, but emulating the story beats of the old Splash (including the great exposition with "nothing happening") wouldn't be a bad thing.
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There's a difference between scenes that don't add anything to the story and scenes with no animatronics or screens whatsoever. THAT'S what I'm worried the retheme will have. Y'know, like how Frozen Ever After replaced the polar bears from Maelstrom with... nothing other than a screen?
 
Dear Prudence

Dear Prudence

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Disney Analyst said:
Maintenance and a new ride are not really comparable.

Maintenance issues (as far as I know) come down to two major things: staffing and supply chain. I can’t stand the issues happening right now, but it’s not all just because Disney has simply stopped caring (and yes, finances could also be a reason).


Snow White specifically I believe was fixed shortly after the reported projection issues for the last half of the ride (I believe MiceChat noted this the next update after the week they reported the issues, unless there’s a new issue I’m unaware of?)

But let’s take current maintenance out of this, as I don’t believe you can really relate the two.

My take is that Disney has added a lot of great new rides, lands, and experiences. Of course there are always some that are duds, or not as great as they should be, but as a whole I am not as turned off as some are on here (feel free to disagree):

Great additions from Disney over the last many many years (my opinion of course):

- Radiator Springs Racers / Cars Land
- Pandora (FoP, Navi included)
- Guardians Tower
- Runaway Rail (despite the fact it replaced GMR)
- Mystic Manor
- Cosmic Rewind
- Galaxy’s Edge (specifically the land being a very immersive design, but needs more characters / shows)
- RotR

Good but could be improved:

- Frozen Ride (some dead space upstairs)
- Rat (Spider-Man at IoA does it better)
- Little Mermaid (cute but could be better)

Mixed bag / Lacklustre:

- Spider-Man at DCA ( I mean it’s fine… but… I do like the land and characters throughout).
- Pixar Pier (I like that the pier isn’t ugly like DCA 1.0, and I don’t really care about the IP inclusion. It’s mostly the babies on sticks that really grind my gears).

I am sure I am missing stuff. But for me overall, I still see Disney putting out quality, and I think this redo can be more of that.

I have to hope it is. I can’t live in a negative space, the worlds too negative as it is.
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New. rides. are. literally. NOT. WORKING. within. less. than. 6. months. of. opening.
 
Disney Analyst

Disney Analyst

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Dear Prudence said:
New. rides. are. literally. NOT. WORKING. within. less. than. 6. months. of. opening.
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The Snow White projector issue was likely related to a computer system / development / coding issue, seeing as it was pretty much the second half of the ride that had the issue only. As someone who works in software, I get it. This stuff just happens.

As rides upgrade and are transitioned to modern technology, failures will happen. It's the nature of technology and development. Something breaks something, developers have to go in, figure out where the code has broken, find a fix, test, implement.

Of course as I don't actually know what happened, I can only guess. Maybe all the projector bulbs somehow burnt out at the same time and they weren't smart enough to have replacements on hand....

Now I can get down with the fact that Dinosaur at AK is having major AA issues right now, as are many attraction. But I mean... again, I don't see how this correlates to the planning, development, and implementation of this redo. As far as I have heard this is all related to the same issues plaguing many companies since the pandemic.

There have always been issues with broken AA's and effects, which doesn't generally impact new rides as they are developed and implemented by imagineers. Sure, once they are handed to Ops that is another story.

Unless your implying maintenance issues means they can't do the redo justice by any means, and all is doomed?
 
Dear Prudence

Dear Prudence

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Brer Panther said:
There's a difference between scenes that don't add anything to the story and scenes with no animatronics or screens whatsoever. THAT'S what I'm worried the retheme will have. Y'know, like how Frozen Ever After replaced the polar bears from Maelstrom with... nothing other than a screen?
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The geese and frogs added to the story by helping develop an understanding of the world that they're supposed to occupy, even if they didn't contribute to the plot directly. I can't imagine DLR's Splash utilizing as many screens as I think people fear because it seems like it's a much more enclosed space (lighting tricks and scenery notwithstanding). There weren't hardly any screens in the Snow White revamp, and, when it actually works, is quite cute. Hopefully, they strike a sensible balance. It's also a different team of people working on TBA with a different space.
 
Californian Elitist

Californian Elitist

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Dear Prudence said:
Current Splash has gaps with 'nothing happening,' too. I wouldn't exactly call they geese fishing riveting plot points, but the pauses and the ~atmospheric~ stuff is nice. Constantly being suffocated with *STUFF HAPPENING* isn't that great. We don't even meet Brer Rabbit on the DLR Splash until after we see the trick he played on Brer Fox and Brer Bear. We literally don't know what's going to happen on TBA, but emulating the story beats of the old Splash (including the great exposition with "nothing happening") wouldn't be a bad thing.
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Right, but it’s possible these gaps will be filled. We truly don’t know.

I remember when Pirates went down for the removal of the wenches scene, and Disney quietly returned the ghost audio that guests hear before the cannon scene. It was a surprise, and a nice one. The only thing we know for sure so far is that this re-theme will remove the SotS references and will be replaced with PatF ones.
 
No Name

No Name

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Dear Prudence said:
Current Splash has gaps with 'nothing happening,' too. I wouldn't exactly call they geese fishing riveting plot points, but the pauses and the ~atmospheric~ stuff is nice. Constantly being suffocated with *STUFF HAPPENING* isn't that great. We don't even meet Brer Rabbit on the DLR Splash until after we see the trick he played on Brer Fox and Brer Bear. We literally don't know what's going to happen on TBA, but emulating the story beats of the old Splash (including the great exposition with "nothing happening") wouldn't be a bad thing.
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That would be the best move! But current inagineering likes to do pretty linear, active, dialogue-heavy storylines that I don’t think fit that style well. That’s what has me worried. If they stick to the story bests of Splash Mountain I have high hopes it can work.
 
No Name

No Name

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Imagine if both Tower of Terrors got turned into Mission Breakout, and how that would’ve completely limited their ability to utilize DL’s unique ride system with the upward launch at the start.
 
Disgruntled Walt

Disgruntled Walt

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Dear Prudence said:
Current Splash has gaps with 'nothing happening,' too. I wouldn't exactly call they geese fishing riveting plot points, but the pauses and the ~atmospheric~ stuff is nice. Constantly being suffocated with *STUFF HAPPENING* isn't that great. We don't even meet Brer Rabbit on the DLR Splash until after we see the trick he played on Brer Fox and Brer Bear. We literally don't know what's going to happen on TBA, but emulating the story beats of the old Splash (including the great exposition with "nothing happening") wouldn't be a bad thing.
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I'm defining "nothing happening" differently than you are. Here's what I mean: they are planning a storyline for the attraction. They're probably storyboarding it out, there are a certain number of scenes. The WDW and DLR versions of the attraction are not identical, far from identical I'd say. Disney is cheap and probably (including that word to appease those who dislike absolutes) won't want to spend the money to allow for very many (more like any) different extra scenes to be crafted for whichever version needs it. Hence, if the attraction layout doesn't match, but they create the same scenes for both versions of the attraction, there could theoretically be gaps with nothing happening—and I mean literally nothing but an instrumental "Dig A Little Deeper."

But again, it's all speculation. I'm not "absolutely" sure about any of this.
 
SuddenStorm

SuddenStorm

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Dear Prudence said:
Current Splash has gaps with 'nothing happening,' too. I wouldn't exactly call they geese fishing riveting plot points, but the pauses and the ~atmospheric~ stuff is nice. Constantly being suffocated with *STUFF HAPPENING* isn't that great. We don't even meet Brer Rabbit on the DLR Splash until after we see the trick he played on Brer Fox and Brer Bear. We literally don't know what's going to happen on TBA, but emulating the story beats of the old Splash (including the great exposition with "nothing happening") wouldn't be a bad thing.
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Disneyland's Splash nails the 'experiential storytelling' perfectly.

Imagineering today is far too focused on linear point A to point B storytelling. But if that's the kind of story they want to tell... why make a ride, when a movie does that far better?

Disneyland's Splash uses the major elements of a linear story- setting (the whole first few minutes outside the attraction), characters (the Br'er Bear trap, Br'er Rabbit singing about leaving), conflict (Br'er Fox is hunting and then catches the rabbit), Climax (the whole final lift hill/Br'er Rabbit escape), and resolution (the Zip a Dee Doo Dah finale)- without shoving that story down our throats. The elements are there and make the experience feel cohesive without being a book report or linear mess.
 
Too Many Hats

Too Many Hats

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I actually think it's legitimate to wonder if Disney will conscientiously adapt Tiana's Bayou Adventure to each existing mountain/flume. The two US versions of Splash are very different. But I suspect Disneyland's will fare okay.

If Disney chooses to design/build the same number of scenes and projections and AAs for each Splash, it seems likely that Disneyland's version -- which is more compact and currently suffers from some stretches of dark, minimally-themed spaces (which I'll say I'm not a fan of) -- will benefit enormously. MK's larger version, with so much space to fill, may suffer a bit in comparison.

And if, say, Disney drops the ball and fails to invest properly in TBA's show scenes and AAs, Disneyland's version -- in which the logs zip through the mountain at breakneck speed -- will probably still offer guests a compelling experience. MK's deliberately-paced Splash, which offers an abundance of time to take in all the details (or, in this scenario, lack thereof), will suffer.
 
Dear Prudence

Dear Prudence

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Ne'er-Do-Well Cad said:
I actually think it's legitimate to wonder if Disney will conscientiously adapt Tiana's Bayou Adventure to each existing mountain/flume. The two US versions of Splash are very different. But I suspect Disneyland's will fare okay.

If Disney chooses to design/build the same number of scenes and projections and AAs for each Splash, it seems likely that Disneyland's version -- which is more compact and currently suffers from some stretches of dark, minimally-themed spaces (which I'll say I'm not a fan of) -- will benefit enormously. MK's larger version, with so much space to fill, may suffer a bit in comparison.

And if, say, Disney drops the ball and fails to invest properly in TBA's show scenes and AAs, Disneyland's version -- in which the logs zip through the mountain at breakneck speed -- will probably still offer guests a compelling experience. MK's deliberately-paced Splash, which offers an abundance of time to take in all the details (or, in this scenario, lack thereof), will suffer.
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It's funny because I literally said this before in this thread and everyone acted like I was nuts. But, honestly, great minds. dlr Splash is literally a completely different ride than wdw.
 

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