Tiana's Bayou Adventure: Disneyland Watch & Discussion

[Californian Elitist]

That's strange to me as every other castle park has their Pooh ride (or two) in Fantasyland.

I know. I can’t picture it at all. It doesn’t help that I used to work in Fantasyland and have that Bavarian village aesthetic burned in my mind. I’ve also always known Pooh to be in Critter Country. I think the wooded, outdoorsy aesthetic for Pooh works and I can’t see that fitting in Fantasyland.

I can picture Robin Hood, The Sword in the Stone, The Black Cauldron, and others, but not Pooh.

 

[PiratesMansion]

I know. I can’t picture it at all. It doesn’t help that I used to work in Fantasyland and have that Bavarian village aesthetic burned in my mind. I’ve also always known Pooh to be in Critter Country.

I can picture Robin Hood, The Sword in the Stone, The Black Cauldron, and others, but not Pooh.

If they can make Mr. Toad seem like it fits, I don't see why they couldn't do the same for Pooh.

 

[Californian Elitist]

If they can make Mr. Toad seem like it fits, I don't see why they couldn't do the same for Pooh.

For me, again, it’s the facade of the attraction. It’s not the story. Toad’s facade fits.

I would have to see an illustration of a Bavarian facade with a Pooh aesthetic to see it working. I’m having a difficult time imagining that, especially because I think Pooh’s facade and surroundings in Critter Country work so well.

 

[Animaniac93-98]

I know. I can’t picture it at all. It doesn’t help that I used to work in Fantasyland and have that Bavarian village aesthetic burned in my mind. I’ve also always known Pooh to be in Critter Country. I think the wooded, outdoorsy aesthetic for Pooh works and I can’t see that fitting in Fantasyland.

I can picture Robin Hood, The Sword in the Stone, The Black Cauldron, and others, but not Pooh.

Tokyo has a woodsy exterior and queue, complete with English cottage gift shop at the end.

IMO, it's no less European than the rest of Fantasyland

 

[Californian Elitist]

Tokyo has a woodsy exterior and queue, complete with English cottage gift shop at the end.

IMO, it's no less European than the rest of Fantasyland

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These visuals help a lot. I can actually picture it now. The facade would have to look like the gift shop for it to be acceptable in my mind.

I still think it’s fine where it is, though.

 

[Midwest Elitist]

A friend and I were talking about it when we were in the parks last year. What if they have one involving Mama Odie's gumbo pot tipping over and enchanting the bayou and ends up creating a "swell" of magic or something.

Totally ridiculous and stupid, but on that same note it would be fitting for modern Disney....

Looking at you, Cosmic Rewind..

I woke up in the E.R. after reading this.

Sadly, it's in line with Guardians' Tower "slamming down into the ground and there's goo that shows this!1!1!"

 

[Midwest Elitist]

If the intention truly is to eradicate any ties to Song of the South, I wouldn't be surprised if Disney got rid of Critter Country entirely as in the 80s when they came up with the land, they explicitly said the name came from the Uncle Remus quote where "The critters were closer to the folks and the folks closer to the critters."

Remus says the quote shortly before launching into Zip-A-Dee-Doo-Dah:

Basically, the entire namesake of the land comes from SOTS.

This justification is honestly laughable, but again, wouldn't be surprising for current Disney.

 

[Brer Panther]

Here's a question that's been on my mind for a while...

Wouldn't a person of color hypothetically be more likely to be uncomfortable on the Hall of Presidents or The American Adventure than on Splash Mountain, since those attractions actually bring up slavery?

 

[Californian Elitist]

Here's a question that's been on my mind for a while...

Wouldn't a person of color hypothetically be more likely to be uncomfortable on the Hall of Presidents or The American Adventure than on Splash Mountain, since those attractions actually bring up slavery?

Context is important here. Also, I highly doubt many POC felt uncomfortable riding Splash. That’s not why Disney is getting rid of the ride.

 

[Dear Prudence]

Context is important here. Also, I highly doubt many POC felt uncomfortable riding Splash. That’s not why Disney is getting rid of the ride.

That's why He Who Must Not Be named trying to claim that the way the characters talk on Splash is "mocking" AAVE (because they're an expert, I am SURE) is absolutely ludicrous. It's another reason why people just eating up everything they say is... bonkers.

 

[Californian Elitist]

That's why He Who Must Not Be named trying to claim that the way the characters talk on Splash is "mocking" AAVE (because they're an expert, I am SURE) is absolutely ludicrous. It's another reason why people just eating up everything they say is... bonkers.

This is why some people should just stay quiet on certain topics. They think they’re helping, but they’re not.

 

[Dear Prudence]

This is why some people should just stay quiet on certain topics. They think they’re helping, but they’re not.

And, like, everyone's okay with this non-BIPOC person being the face of this. Sure, Jan.

 

[EPCOTCenterLover]

This is why some people should just stay quiet on certain topics. They think they’re helping, but they’re not.

I’m not sure. Perhaps open conversation can lead to the real path of learning and understanding. It’s difficult at times, but I think it’s worth it overall.

 

[Californian Elitist]

I’m not sure. Perhaps open conversation can lead the real path to learning and understanding. It’s difficult at times, but I think it’s worth it overall.

Sure, if people choose to listen. But some people (even people here) refuse to listen to the actual community they find themselves trying to stand up for. In those cases, they should have a few seats.

 

[Brer Panther]

Also, I highly doubt many POC felt uncomfortable riding Splash. That’s not why Disney is getting rid of the ride.

Thank you. It seems as though that's the common belief in this thread. What you just said is what I've been trying to say all along.

 

[Californian Elitist]

Thank you. It seems as though that's the common belief in this thread. What you just said is what I've been trying to say all along.

We’ve all been saying that, except for maybe one person.

 

[Brer Panther]

We’ve all been saying that, except for maybe one person.

...didn't seem like it.

 

[Californian Elitist]

...didn't seem like it.

I can think of exactly one person who’s been trying to push the narrative that Splash is racist. The disconnect here is that you seem you believe that because we understand why Disney is axing Splash, that that means we are supportive of the decision. We’re not.

99.9% of us have said the the ride itself isn’t a problem, POC included.

 

[doctornick]

This seems relevant to be put here as well (from the WDW thread)...

It’s not like Anaheim is going swimmingly either (pun not intended)

 

[Too Many Hats]

Not exactly shocking that Chapek-era Disney underestimated how challenging (/impossible) it would be to completely overhaul an iconic but notoriously difficult-to-maintain $80 million (unadjusted for inflation) attraction on a budget with a diminished Imagineering department while recovering from a pandemic.