Tiana's Bayou Adventure: Disneyland Watch & Discussion

mickEblu

mickEblu

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Sharon&Susan said:
Why would what OLC is doing cause the cancellation of a stateside project when Disney isn't even the one paying for construction?
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I think the reasoning goes as follows:

>OLC redoing Space/ TL
> DL must also be doing something to their TL since they teased us a few years ago, the echo chamber is saying it’s coming, and well, would they really expand on Tokyo at D23 in Anaheim with our rotting TL across the street?
> TDA decides its much more important to spend money on TL than redoing one of their most popular attractions of all time.

Some mental gymnastics required but possible.
 
Californian Elitist

Californian Elitist

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britain

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At some point you gotta say, the text is the text, judge the thing itself, not the author or the history behind the text. I think we’re in a world where Song of the South has been deemed too off-putting to keep alive, but there’s nothing IN Splash Mountain ITSELF that is offensive. The line needs to be drawn, and hopefully it’s been drawn with the film on one side, and the ride on the other.

And judge carefully because changing it over a whim will cost millions and (AND HERE’S THE BIGGEST POINT) drain from other investments that will actually make returns.
 
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SuddenStorm

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mickEblu said:
Is it possible that Disney got the memo that not everyone wants everything cancelled? And that their may be repercussions if they continue to go down this path? The language D’Amaro used in a recent interview seems to indicate it’s something they re concerned about
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I have to wonder if losing the special Reedy Creek privileges and the amount of drama they've been involved with nationally has them second guessing things? They were able to write off many of the changes as 'creative growth' until the Florida debacle which for many has drawn a clear line in the sand.

I mean... Reedy Creek alone should cost Bob Chapek his job. Losing those special privileges after 50 years is huge and I'm guessing it's going to have long term impacts on Walt Disney World.

For me? I love Splash Mountain and it's a huge part of why I go to Disneyland. So losing that makes me lose interest in going to Disneyland. I love vintage Disneyland, so the MSEP has huge appeal to me, but I want to see the parade with the actual intro, and with the America float... since that's the parade that's iconic, not this 2022 version. And I'm huge on customer service... which Disneyland's has been declining for years and that's only been exasperated by covid.
 
mickEblu

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SuddenStorm said:
I have to wonder if losing the special Reedy Creek privileges and the amount of drama they've been involved with nationally has them second guessing things? They were able to write off many of the changes as 'creative growth' until the Florida debacle which for many has drawn a clear line in the sand.

I mean... Reedy Creek alone should cost Bob Chapek his job. Losing those special privileges after 50 years is huge and I'm guessing it's going to have long term impacts on Walt Disney World.

For me? I love Splash Mountain and it's a huge part of why I go to Disneyland. So losing that makes me lose interest in going to Disneyland. I love vintage Disneyland, so the MSEP has huge appeal to me, but I want to see the parade with the actual intro, and with the America float... since that's the parade that's iconic, not this 2022 version. And I'm huge on customer service... which Disneyland's has been declining for years and that's only been exasperated by covid.
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Well said and I think it’s very possible.

As if I needed one more reason to like DeSantis.
 
Californian Elitist

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Disney hasn’t really officially lost Reedy Creek yet (they will likely challenge it, since Florida is unlawfully stepping on their rights), though I will say that it’s very ironic that some conservatives here and elsewhere have been in approval of DeSantis’ behavior. This is a topic for another thread, but let the lawsuits roll!
 
PiratesMansion

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Here's the thing with Tokyo/the OLC:
1. Because of the specific arrangement created for Tokyo Disney Resort back in the 80's, Disney cannot force the OLC to change Splash Mountain or do anything it doesn't want to do.
2. Splash Mountain is incredibly popular in Japan
3. Princess and the Frog bombed hard in Japan

Because of that, there's a zero percent chance that they will convince Tokyo to spend the OLC's own money to go along with a plan that will fit with the other mountains. The OLC has no incentive whatsoever to do this. Even if Disney somehow managed to convince the OLC to do that, quite a lot of their plans would have to be redone for DL's Splash.

Back in California, Disney has had the opportunity to redo Tomorrowland since 1998, and in that time they have studiously chosen to do literally anything else instead, including things that didn't need to be done at all, instead of fixing Tomorrowland. So far as I'm concerned nothing is happening in Tomorrowland until they bring out the construction walls and cranes. They don't care.

I won't believe that the Splash redo is cancelled until 1) multiple seriously credible insiders prove it to be correct, 2) Disney themselves makes an announcement announcing that it's staying the same, or 3) it's been five years and nothing has changed at all.
 
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mickEblu

mickEblu

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PiratesMansion said:
Here's the thing with Tokyo/the OLC:
1. Because of the specific arrangement created for Tokyo Disney Resort back in the 80's, Disney cannot force the OLC to change Splash Mountain or do anything it doesn't want to do.
2. Splash Mountain is incredibly popular in Japan
3. Princess and the Frog bombed hard in Japan

Because of that, there's a zero percent chance that they will convince Tokyo to spend the OLC's own money to go along with a plan that will fit with the other mountains. The OLC has no incentive whatsoever to do this. Even Disney they somehow managed to convince the OLC to do that, quite a lot of their plans would have to be redone for DL's Splash.

Back in California, Disney has had the opportunity to redo Tomorrowland since 1998, and in that time they have studiously chosen to do literally anything else instead, including things that didn't need to be done at all, instead of fixing Tomorrowland. So far as I'm concerned nothing is happening in Tomorrowland until they bring out the construction walls and cranes. They don't care.

I won't believe that the Splash redo is cancelled until 1) multiple seriously credible insiders prove it to be correct, 2) Disney themselves makes an announcement announcing that it's staying the same, or 3) it's been five years and nothing has changed at all.
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mickEblu

mickEblu

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Every month and year that goes by as millions of people continue to ride Splash with no issues the chance of it staying grows stronger.

With that being said all it could potentially take is another June 2020 situation and it could be back at the front of the line before you know it.
 
mickEblu

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celluloid said:
Disneyland will be riding that Mickey's Runaway Railway/Toontown retheming for a while and whatever new things come to Marvel.

I don't think Splash is even close to a priority.
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As it shouldn’t be. It’s hard to imagine the suits prioritizing it over the Avengers ride or Tomorrowland. By the time they get around to Splash it may be so far into the future that they begin to wonder what is even the point anymore. It would be funny if this pending Splash retheme is what actually gets them to finally pull the trigger on TL. “Do we want to spend 500 million on a lateral move at best with Splash or one billion on a new Tomorrowland?”
 
SuddenStorm

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mickEblu said:
As it shouldn’t be. It’s hard to imagine the suits prioritizing it over the Avengers ride or Tomorrowland. By the time they get around to Splash it may be so far into the future that they begin to wonder what is even the point anymore. It would be funny if this pending Splash retheme is what actually gets them to finally pull the trigger on TL. “Do we want to spend 500 million on a lateral move at best with Splash or one billion on a new Tomorrowland?”
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Of course, we also don't want Disney messing with Tomorrowland right now- yes the land needs work, but today's WDI likely can't top what's there now.
 
el_super

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PiratesMansion said:
Here's the thing with Tokyo/the OLC:
1. Because of the specific arrangement created for Tokyo Disney Resort back in the 80's, Disney cannot force the OLC to change Splash Mountain or do anything it doesn't want to do.
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Of course they can. Disney still exerts control over the IP that OLC is licensing, and Disney could push the issue if they wanted to. There just isn't that much in it for them.



PiratesMansion said:
Back in California, Disney has had the opportunity to redo Tomorrowland since 1998, and in that time they have studiously chosen to do literally anything else instead, including things that didn't need to be done at all, instead of fixing Tomorrowland. So far as I'm concerned nothing is happening in Tomorrowland until they bring out the construction walls and cranes. They don't care.
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Because the individual parts of Tomorrowland are all solid. Buzz, Star Tours, Space Mountain are all crowd-pleasers. They spent a fortune keeping the Subs and Monorail together and want to get back their investment and Autopia has a sponsor willing to throw money at it. Closing off major portions of the land (and thusly E-Ticket attractions) for months on end to add new decorations nets them nothing. They might get something out of finally tearing down the carousel theater, but that space is fairly limited, and like all projects at Disneyland now, the cost to build something back there will skyrocket with the changes needed to accommodate infrastructure moves.

If there is a Tomorrowland project coming up, it would mostly be aesthetic.

PiratesMansion said:
I won't believe that the Splash redo is cancelled until 1) multiple seriously credible insiders prove it to be correct, 2) Disney themselves makes an announcement announcing that it's staying the same, or 3) it's been five years and nothing has changed at all.
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Yeah I agree. The problem with thinking the Splash redo is cancelled is having to reconcile the idea that Splash Mountain desperately needs a ton of money to fix the maintenance and support issues it has been experiencing. It's an OSHA nightmare that can barely maintain in it's current state.

Even if they were committed to keeping the Song of the South theme, at some point in the near future, they would have to rip out the whole thing and redesign it anyway.
 

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