Tiana's Bayou Adventure: Disneyland Watch & Discussion

[EPCOTCenterLover]

I wish more people on these threads and just in general would recognize that it's okay to have complicated and conflicted emotions about things. More than one emotion, and more than one truth can exist at the same time. There's a reason why it's lasted over 30 years, it really captures something special.

I fully agree here.

There are things I cannot look past when I think of current Disney leadership- and kneeling to an oppressive and brutal regime like China just to make lots of money has greatly lessened my respect for a once amazing company. And no, I did not watch the Olympics for this very reason.

 

[BuzzedPotatoHead89]

This isn't even about mega corporations. Almost every aspect of modern life touches China in some way. Every dollar you earn or spend, part of it comes from or goes to Chinese investors in some direct or indirect way, and some goes to pay taxes some of which goes to China as they hold US debt. Should I condemn you for not taking a stand and not accepting any sort of living or that you pay taxes because some of it comes from or goes to China?

We are more intertwined globally than most of us realize. We have direct or indirect relations with almost every country in the world. So unless you are planning on completely going off the grid and living the Amish life you too are just as culpable as Disney. We can't just point the finger at mega corporations and say they are responsible, when its all of us.

Yes and no. Yes, every individual is culpable and we all benefit from the cheap labor and detrimental human rights record of China when we buy our cheap products from Amazon. But realistically some of us have far less “real effective power” to make change, than say a high ranking politician or CEO of a Fortune 500 company.

It’s not to say I expect Bob Chapek or any corporate CEO or western politician for that matter to sever all ties with China. But I do think it’s in really bad taste for the Disney company in the last couple years to market themselves as this “inclusive” brand while simultaneously thanking the CCP in film credits, heavily editing media to avoid diversity that would offend Chinese sensors, or even here at home donating to politicians in Florida that support anti-LGBT policies while simultaneously churning out rainbow flag merch every June.

It’s just in poor taste. And yes, I’m aware that as an American consumer I too am supporting “non-pure” interests. But I don’t want that to be used as a carte Blanc cop out for those in leadership positions to bald face lie to me and their audience that by supporting their business I’m contributing to some moral quest toward advancing humanity.

I guess I’d just rather just go back to an honest relationship where corporate America just admits that increasing shareholder value is the goal without the PR spin and whitewashing, and the public isn’t treated as a bunch of dolts.

 

[CaptinEO]

Its not even about defending them, it was just pointing out that your statement that they filmed IN a concentration camp as incorrect. Did they choose a bad location, 100%.


And what about HKDL? That was built prior to Iger and Chapek, and was under Chinese rule and has a similar ownership stake as Shanghai.

Or what about all the consumer products produced over the last 50 years, long before Eisner, Iger, or Chapek, that came from China?



This isn't even about mega corporations. Almost every aspect of modern life touches China in some way. Every dollar you earn or spend, part of it comes from or goes to Chinese investors in some direct or indirect way, and some goes to pay taxes some of which goes to China as they hold US debt. Should I condemn you for not taking a stand and not accepting any sort of living or that you pay taxes because some of it comes from or goes to China?

We are more intertwined globally than most of us realize. We have direct or indirect relations with almost every country in the world. So unless you are planning on completely going off the grid and living the Amish life you too are just as culpable as Disney. We can't just point the finger at mega corporations and say they are responsible, when its all of us.

I agree with you for the most part.

Besides your last sentence.

The laws and regulations that have allowed the exporting of our workforce and production to China has made it unfeasible for Americans to be indendent of China.

The people running our country have slowly created this situation. It's not like I can choose American produced versions of any product I use and pay more.

I think most people if given the option WOULD choose to move our production back to America.

It'd be great if we were a producer AND consumer society that was self sufficient.

 

[CaptinEO]

Yes and no. Yes, every individual is culpable and we all benefit from the cheap labor and detrimental human rights record of China when we buy our cheap products from Amazon. But realistically some of us have far less “real effective power” to make change, than say a high ranking politician or CEO of a Fortune 500 company.

It’s not to say I expect Bob Chapek or any corporate CEO or western politician for that matter to sever all ties with China. But I do think it’s in really bad taste for the Disney company in the last couple years to market themselves as this “inclusive” brand while simultaneously thanking the CCP in film credits, heavily editing media to avoid diversity that would offend Chinese sensors, or even here at home donating to politicians in Florida that support anti-LGBT policies while simultaneously churning out rainbow flag merch every June.

It’s just in poor taste. And yes, I’m aware that as an American consumer I too am supporting “non-pure” interests. But I don’t want that to be used as a carte Blanc cop out for those in leadership positions to bald face lie to me and their audience that by supporting their business I’m contributing to some moral quest toward advancing humanity.

I guess I’d just rather just go back to an honest relationship where corporate America just admits that increasing shareholder value is the goal without the PR spin and whitewashing, and the public isn’t treated as a bunch of dolts.

Well stated! I totally agree with you.

Companies pretending to be the good guys while supporting terrible practices is the ultimate lie/slap in the face to their consumers.

 

[BasiltheBatLord]

“You claim that other countries are bad, well America is bad too. Check mate.” continues to be one of the laziest and thoughtless takes about the world.

 

[PiratesMansion]

“You claim that other countries are bad, well America is bad too. Check mate.” continues to be one of the laziest and thoughtless takes about the world.

As opposed to the much more scholarly, daring, and nuanced take that "America is the bestest country ever because both I and American media said so"?

 

[BuzzedPotatoHead89]

Anyways we've gone WAY off topic here. So we should wrap this up before all these posts get deleted.

So Splash, yeah, so do we think we'll hear about the retheme later this year at D23? I think so....

I think that they’ll have to bring up the retheme at D23, including a possible closure date. I am curious if these been any changes to the original Mardi Gras concept. Or if any changes to the surrounding area at either DL or WDW will be announced too.

 

[Disney Irish]

But yes. Let’s drop this one since I think we at least in part agree.

Yes I think we agree at least on the broad strokes, its the finer details where things might be more nuanced that we may disagree. Either way back on topic.

I think that they’ll have to bring up the retheme at D23, including a possible closure date. I am curious if these been any changes to the original Marci Gras concept. Or if any changes to the surrounding area at either DL or WDW will be announced too.

Overall it seems apparent that the NOS theme will be pushed more into at least the Splash side of CC. What happens to the rest of CC who knows, hopefully they'll tell us.

I suspect the preparing for the Mardi Gras (which is next week by the way, maybe more concept art comes out?) party is still the major story piece. How its executed I suspect is what is the changing part.

 

[Brer Panther]

My guess is that at D23, they'll bring up the retheme and show off that one piece of concept art again... and that's it.

I don't expect much of Critter Country to be altered, either, aside from the Briar Patch gift shop being renamed.

 

[el_super]

I don't expect much of Critter Country to be altered, either, aside from the Briar Patch gift shop being renamed.

What is that... probably the third time that store has been renamed?

 

[Dear Prudence]

What is that... probably the third time that store has been renamed?

Yes, it will be the 3rd

 

[Dear Prudence]

I've been so disappointed in how the attractions never QUITE captured Brer Rabbit. I think they did so good with the other characters, it really is a shame. WDW has technically better animatronics, but they read even less to me as Brer Rabbit. Which is truly a shame, because he's such an appealing character, and is some of Disney's best and most engaging animation. (I am sure Johnny Lee is also a huge contributing factor. )

 

[Brer Panther]

I've been so disappointed in how the attractions never QUITE captured Brer Rabbit. I think they did so good with the other characters, it really is a shame. WDW has technically better animatronics, but they read even less to me as Brer Rabbit.

Disneyland's Brer Fox animatronics look far worse to me than either version's Brer Rabbit.

 

[Sharon&Susan]

Watching Disney's official version of Fun and Fancy Free made me realize how weird a film-grainless restoration would make the SOTS live action scenes look.

 

[TsWade2]

I’m sorry, but is DL and WDW really going to revamp Splash Mountain from SOTS to TPATF? Because it’s been 2 years ever since they announced it.

 

[Dear Prudence]

Disneyland's Brer Fox animatronics look far worse to me than either version's Brer Rabbit.

I miss pre-2012 Brer Fox, honestly.

 

[EagleScout610]

I miss pre-2012 Brer Fox, honestly.

What happened to him in 2012?

 

[Dear Prudence]

What happened to him in 2012?

He looked like Brer Fox and not the Fox creature from Labyrinth

 

[Kirby86]

I always wondered why Brer Fox has white fur in Disneyland while he has his normal look in the other parks.

 

[Californian Elitist]

My point was that he kept going on and on about how the retheme would make children of color feel good, and a good chunk of them won't be able to make the height requirement and actually go on the ride that'll make them feel good. If Disney's intention really is to make children of color feel good, I don't think they really thought it through.

There will be plenty of children who will be able to ride.

Come on.