While they might not be able to revise to this detail (although they have in some states), they can order the governor to come up with more reasonable standards and possibly even say that the court has to approve the new guidelines if the existing ones are determined to be discriminatory against one type of business when similar businesses are allowed to operate. In this case, zoo, museums and aquariums are clearly similar enough that they should have similar guidelines with a few minor tweaks.
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Politics Theme Park Reopening Guidelines to be released 10/20/20
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ToTBellHop
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And if cases spike like the experts predict, this whole argument is moot.
I looked at their numbers, there is no way San Francisco should be out of Orange, except Newsom playing favorites.
Well, the experts have been wrong about almost everything so far, so I fail to see why they would be right this time around.
Luckily the state of emergency may soon be a thing of the past.
OrlandoRising
Well-Known Member
You're actually overstating the Florida Republican House Speaker's claim here. He's suggested the death count may have been inflated by 10 percent, not 40 percent as you claim.
Even that is dubious, as he's relying on the same "with COVID" vs. "from COVID" misinformation as other claims questioning the death toll. "Any ‘current’ count of COVID-19 deaths is more accurately described as the number of people with COVID-19 who died, rather than those who died from COVID-19,” the Republican analysis said.
We've been over this before. Death certificates often include multiple conditions in describing the chain of events that led to death. Just look at an example death certificate from the CDC: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/dvs/blue_form.pdf
From FactCheck.org:
But the data on which all of this is based come from death certificates, which list any causes or conditions that contributed to a person’s death. In the case of COVID-19, the disease often causes other serious conditions, such as pneumonia or acute respiratory distress syndrome. Those two conditions are among the ailments with the highest counts in the CDC’s comorbidity chart. Some long-term conditions that increase the risk for severe COVID-19, such as diabetes or hypertension, were also listed.
The underlying cause of death, however, is the condition that started the chain of events that led to a person’s death. In 92% of all deaths that mention COVID-19, that disease is listed as the underlying cause of death, Jeff Lancashire, spokesman for the CDC’s National Center for Health Statistics, told FactCheck.org in an email. https://www.factcheck.org/2020/09/cdc-did-not-admit-only-6-of-recorded-deaths-from-covid-19/
chriskbrown
Active Member
Call me confused but based upon what we gave seen at WDW where the line for Slinky Dog may start by Voyage of Mermaid - and how tight DL can be, not sure how DL could really do the WDW plan. It seems that what Newsome wants?
MoonRakerSCM
Well-Known Member
Meanwhile I just made dinner reservations for all 4 days of my upcoming WDW trip. A couple friends called me crazy when I booked that trip saying obviously Dland would be open for Christmas... Now I get decorations and holiday foods and they don't. Nyah.
I took my que from others on the 40%. My bad. I'm not claiming anything.
Citing Factcheck: that's you're bad.
We can argue details, I didn't do the study. The FL study points out that there are large, and 10% is large, errors in how this is being calculated.
lazyboy97o
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I’m not sure a spike would change much if the parks do decide to go forward with legal action. There whole argument is that they are safe. They will likely point to Florida being the epicenter of the world when Walt Disney World reopened and the lack of tracing back to the parks.
No, it does not. It shows that people continue to want to change long established procedure to get a desired outcome.
The capacity limit, the density, its all relative to the plot of land. Not all restaurants, stores, what not are configured the same inside. Around here the local shop owners are both 1) mad they can't be fully open and 2) very strict on enforcing the rules because they don't want to get shut down again. Its why we're getting the mask rage things going on. Employees are directed to enforce the rules and the idiot rage customers don't understand that, like it or not, the business HAS to enforce the rules if you want your stupid cup of coffee.
Coffee. haven't had coffee yet. Bye!
we disagree but that's ok we're all frustrated
OrlandoRising
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Enlighten me, what evidence do you have that FactCheck.org is in any way an unreliable source?
Askimosita
Well-Known Member
- In the Parks
- Yes
The Gallagher et. Al vs. Newsom case has started! Fingers crossed!
Disstevefan1
Well-Known Member
Have fun at WDW!!!! As for DL....... You should plan to go to WDW for Christmas too..
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It's only unobtainable because of the lax attitudes in the region towards Covid-19 health and safety. If citizens in SF, one of the most densely populated cities in the state, can achieve yellow tier status surely Orange County can.
But not by directly preventing infection totals, but rather the timing. It wasn't "prevent any curve" that was the rhetoric in March and April. Such a goal was already known to be unobtainable. So it was "flatten the curve".
Gottalovepluto
Active Member
Take a look at those SF numbers again. The real number is 2.5. They tested a crap ton so got “adjusted” to 1.5. So why did Newsom bless them with yellow tier when guidelines specifically say “less than one”? SF and it’s <1 million population isn’t that much better at COVID control, they’re just better at Newsom politics.
Communicora
Premium Member
An interesting article from the LA Times discussing how well California is doing compared to other states.
Here's an archive link to use if you hit the paywall: https://archive.is/Rvy7Q
Here's an archive link to use if you hit the paywall: https://archive.is/Rvy7Q
George Lucas on a Bench
Well-Known Member
Last I'd heard things had gotten so bad in San Francisco that real estate prices were dropping. You know it's bad when that's happening in CA.
Bear550
New Member
Seems to be swinging more in Gallagher's way but it's still too early to tell. Quite exciting nevertheless.