Politics Theme Park Reopening Guidelines to be released 10/20/20

[el_super]

Why does size even matter if big theme parks could simply limit their capacity to 15% as opposed to 25% for smaller parks. I just don't get why small and big parks are separated.

Also the no indoor rides is ridiculous. Universal Studios Hollywood will suffer more from this as majority of their rides are indoors.

The difference between the big parks and the small parks, is one of attracting more out-of-state tourists. That's something that should be avoided while metrics are being tallied per-county. Having Disneyland open could re-introduce the virus from an external force, and cause Orange County's infections to increase.

 

[el_super]

They are going to allow the SF 49ers to have 14,000 fans in their stadium, which is a significantly smaller and less socially distanced footprint than 15,000 people in Disneyland Park for one day. I'd feel 1000x safer being in Disneyland Park with the safety standards WDW has implemented.

But the difference there is in the time someone is in the stadium. Those 15,000 people, mostly staying in their seats, will have 1 or 2 interactions during a 2-3 hour stay (ticket taker/security... maybe a food vendor). People wandering around a theme park for 8 to 10 hours will have significantly more interactions through the course of their visit.

 

[Deleted member 107043]

Something cannot be impossible if it has been done.

 

[shambolicdefending]

Regardless of which side you agree with more, it's pretty clear that Darth Chapek and Emperor Newsom are at war over re-opening guidelines.

I keep thinking about how this will impact the company's long-term views on investing in Disneyland, and California, generally.

 

[Stevek]

How many of the finger wagging Shut It Downers will be celebrating Thanksgiving? G'head. You can admit it here now to us. We won't judge you. That's your job.

I don't enjoy having my extended family over anymore, this just gives me an excuse to keep them away.

 

[Stevek]

Why does everyone always mention them?

It's a him, his name is David and he's very involved in politics with the city of Anaheim.

 

[el_super]

I keep thinking about how this will impact the company's long-term views on investing in Disneyland, and California, generally.

It will make almost no difference.

 

[cmwade77]

What do they win though? They won’t get to open however they like, so what can a judge possibly do?

They aren't asking to open however they like, they are asking for reasonable guidelines that allow them to reopen, probably something along the lines of:

• Purple Tier
  • Outdoor only with modifications
  • No indoor queuing for rides
  • Limited to guests within 120 miles
  • Sanitizing high touch areas frequently
  • Sanitizing all ride vehicles every 30 minutes
• Red Tier
  • Indoor with modifications
  • Indoor activities must be limited to 25% of capacity
  • No indoor queuing for rides
  • Limited to guests within 120 miles
  • Sanitizing high touch areas frequently
  • Sanitizing all ride vehicles every 45 minutes
• Orange Tier
  • Indoor with modifications
  • Indoor activities must be limited to 50% of capacity
  • Indoor queuing limited to 10% of capacity
  • Limited to guests within 120 miles
  • Sanitizing high touch areas frequently
  • Sanitizing all ride vehicles every 60 minutes
• Yellow Tier
  • Indoor with modifications
  • Indoor activities must be limited to 50% of capacity
  • Indoor queuing limited to 25% of capacity
  • Sanitizing high touch areas frequently
  • Sanitizing all ride vehicles every 60 minutes
• All Tiers
  • Shopping and dining must adhere to the tier in which the county is in

A judge could indeed order something like this, the theme parks aren't asking to be able to reopen as they see fit, they are simply asking for reasonable guidelines, especially when compared to other industries, such as zoos, museums, etc.

 

[cmwade77]

Regardless of which side you agree with more, it's pretty clear that Darth Chapek and Emperor Newsom are at war over re-opening guidelines.

I keep thinking about how this will impact the company's long-term views on investing in Disneyland, and California, generally.

Now, this is a very valid point, at least until politics change in California.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Regardless of which side you agree with more, it's pretty clear that Darth Chapek and Emperor Newsom are at war over re-opening guidelines.

I keep thinking about how this will impact the company's long-term views on investing in Disneyland, and California, generally.

Walt Disney World is delaying its new coasters.

 

[ToTBellHop]

They aren't asking to open however they like, they are asking for reasonable guidelines that allow them to reopen, probably something along the lines of:

• Purple Tier
  • Outdoor only with modifications
  • No indoor queuing for rides
  • Limited to guests within 120 miles
  • Sanitizing high touch areas frequently
  • Sanitizing all ride vehicles every 30 minutes
• Red Tier
  • Indoor with modifications
  • Indoor activities must be limited to 25% of capacity
  • No indoor queuing for rides
  • Limited to guests within 120 miles
  • Sanitizing high touch areas frequently
  • Sanitizing all ride vehicles every 45 minutes
• Orange Tier
  • Indoor with modifications
  • Indoor activities must be limited to 50% of capacity
  • Indoor queuing limited to 10% of capacity
  • Limited to guests within 120 miles
  • Sanitizing high touch areas frequently
  • Sanitizing all ride vehicles every 60 minutes
• Yellow Tier
  • Indoor with modifications
  • Indoor activities must be limited to 50% of capacity
  • Indoor queuing limited to 25% of capacity
  • Sanitizing high touch areas frequently
  • Sanitizing all ride vehicles every 60 minutes
• All Tiers
  • Shopping and dining must adhere to the tier in which the county is in

A judge could indeed order something like this, the theme parks aren't asking to be able to reopen as they see fit, they are simply asking for reasonable guidelines, especially when compared to other industries, such as zoos, museums, etc.

I didn't realize judges could revise policies like this. Strike down the existing one and order the impacted groups to work harder, sure. But mandate a new protocol is not something the judiciary should do.

 

[LastoneOn]

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[lazyboy97o]

I didn't realize judges could revise policies like this. Strike down the existing one and order the impacted groups to work harder, sure. But mandate a new protocol is not something the judiciary should do.

He has a long history of making up laws.

 

[ToTBellHop]

He has a long history of making up laws.

I didn’t realize there was a particular judge this would go to. Interesting.

 

[lazyboy97o]

I didn’t realize there was a particular judge this would go to. Interesting.

No, the poster. He consistently makes legal claims that are blatantly false.

 

[Jenifurby]

Orange County California chlamydia rates aren't even less than 1 per 100,000 per day.
2019 had 439 per 100,000 population for the year or 1.2/100,000 per day.

https://www.ochealthinfo.com/civicax/filebank/blobdload.aspx?BlobID=115863

I realize that SARS-CoV-2 is nothing like Chlamydia trachomatis. But it makes me feel like the Yellow tier standards set for Disneyland as currently presented are almost unobtainable.

 

[ToTBellHop]

No, the poster. He consistently makes legal claims that are blatantly false.

Ah. That makes more sense. Do judges sometimes rule from the bench? Yes, but they’re not supposed to. And no judge is going to say, “I hereby decree that theme parks shall open with 25% capacity in the red tier. I further decree that no more than six Guests may wait in line for a churro at any one time. My final decree is that the Spiderman ride shall open by March 1, 2021 with the stuntTronic.”

 

[Askimosita]

https://t.co/ljkUdd9tMT?amp=1

CAPA and Theme Park leaders are speaking live at 11:30am PT today, if anyone wanted to tune in.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Ah. That makes more sense. Do judges sometimes rule from the bench? Yes, but they’re not supposed to. And no judge is going to say, “I hereby decree that theme parks shall open with 25% capacity in the red tier. I further decree that no more than six Guests may wait in line for a churro at any one time. My final decree is that the Spiderman ride shall open by March 1, 2021 with the stuntTronic.”

I’m sure there are some judges who would try but it would be ripe for appeal. The governor is empowered to create regulations as a state of emergency and a judge is not. A judge also decided themselves is also more of a unilateral action than the governor who is consulting with a known team of advisory, experts and public health officials. I do think they can try to get an order for another revision but that it is going to be a tough battle.

 

[Disney Irish]

This. This. This. This. This!

They are going to allow the SF 49ers to have 14,000 fans in their stadium, which is a significantly smaller and less socially distanced footprint than 15,000 people in Disneyland Park for one day. I'd feel 1000x safer being in Disneyland Park with the safety standards WDW has implemented.

*And this is coming from someone who works in sports, and has worked a few events with 15,000 fans in attendance. There was no change outside the pre-existing trendlines for COVID-19 in the region in the 3 weeks after the events.

No they aren't Santa Clara County is keeping sports fan free for likely the rest of the year.

Santa Clara County Will Not Allow Fans to Attend 49ers Games Despite State Approval

Shortly after California laid out reopening guidelines for outdoor professional sporting events and theme parks Tuesday, Santa Clara County made it clear that it will be taking a slower approach to reopening those venues to the public.

www.nbcbayarea.com