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it means they are full of
And? Are you surprised? That fact doesn't make the guidance invalid.
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And? Are you surprised? That fact doesn't make the guidance invalid.
1HAPPYGHOSTHOST
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Actually it kinda does. It makes it very less credible when the experts involved in making the guidance do not obey their own guidance.
1HAPPYGHOSTHOST
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If they are not taking it seriously then why should I?
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So the leaders who control the regions where DLP and HDL operate are misleading people too, even though, as far as we know, they haven't violated similar guidelines? Help me understand.
1HAPPYGHOSTHOST
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I Live in America. couldn't care less about DLP or HDL. so i don't care what they are doing. but when you got those making the rules going to a dinner and breaking the rules DIRECTLY AFTER MAKING THE RULES it sends a signal NOT TO TAKE ANYTHING THEY SAY SERIOUSLY.
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And there you have it. This explains everything.
1HAPPYGHOSTHOST
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Won't matter in a day or two when everything shuts down again. All she is doing is yelling in the wind.
1HAPPYGHOSTHOST
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I am not in denial of anything. I know the pandemic is global. i never said other countries are not going through the same crap. I just said i don't care about them. i got my own problems here in america to worry about.
lazyboy97o
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It also only makes sense if you’re in some sort of cult where major aspects of your life are done according to the direction of a specific individual. I cannot think of any individual who their doing something would be the reason I think it is the right thing to do.
Livelihoods are being lost because of the virus. Walt Disney World was not sparred from layoffs despite being open, Orange County has no actual penalties for violating their guidelines and the governor essentially begging the parks to increase capacity. You cannot go see a movie at a Regal Cinema in the US because business was so bad it made more sense to keep them all closed. Travel dropped off a cliff before any government restrictions. Large events were being cancelled well into the future before restrictions were implemented. No place has been sparred economic problems and no place has bounced back as claimed by those saying reopening was more important.
Which guidelines are the result of random choice or personal whim? How is it that Gavin Newsom and Stefan Löfven, who historically have had very different responses to the pandemic, both came to have the same random whim to keep amusement parks closed? Even Disney, despite saying it constantly, clearly doesn’t believe strongly that the guidelines are arbitrary as they have not challenged them.
Again, you’re examples are incredibly discrete scenarios that ignore the larger context. Standing in line at Pirates of the Caribbean is not an activity that is typically done as an isolated incident the way dining can be an isolated incident. You don’t just go stand in line for Pirates of the Caribbean the way you can just go have a meal.
TP2000
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Oh. My. Gosh. This is absolutely heartbreaking! That poor businesswoman crying into the camera, on the verge of losing her business and everything she has worked for. To be met with an even bigger patio dining area that was approved because it's for a movie production?
I think it's fairly obvious that honest, hard working people are fed up.
You can't just keep pushing the little folks around like this any more.
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Exactly.
Considering some of the illogical Covid related arguments I've seen around the interwebs it's a wonder some people can put one foot in front of the other let alone distinguish between. someone's bad judgement and their sound advice.
1HAPPYGHOSTHOST
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why would i take advice from someone who has bad judgement?
lazyboy97o
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Because that person is not the only one giving that advice and we all make bad judgements at some point in our lives. You can also chose to take advice from someone else, and in this case there are many others more qualified to speak on the issue.
1HAPPYGHOSTHOST
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so if all the people who gave the advice are at the same time not showing good judgement by going to a dinner violating their own rules again...why should I listen to any of them?
TP2000
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Exactly!
People make fun of Newsom over his French Laundry scandal, including me, not because we think "Well, if he can break the rules so can I!" It's much deeper and more nuanced than that.
What Newsom and First Partner and the CEO of the California Medical Association did by dining for 3+ hours in a small indoor dining room with a dozen people is make a risk analysis in their brain. Newsom, First Partner and Dr. Corcoran are all smart people who have all the latest Science & Data on Covid-19 and who it impacts and how. And they all made an easy, conscious decision days in advance to attend this dinner party, because they knew their personal risk level and those of their close family they'd see later that night was very low.
Just like I made the same risk analysis to travel out of state for Thanksgiving and sit at a big dinner table with over a dozen other family members for hours. I have a basic understanding of what Covid-19 is, and what it is not, and how it impacts people of my age and level of health. So it was easy to say "Heck yeah, I'm coming up to visit you for Thanksgiving!" I was more concerned about being run off the road by crazy drivers than I was about Covid-19.
This is all about personal risk analysis, and deciding what is appropriate for you to do, knowing your own health and those you interact with closely. I actually think it was perfectly appropriate for Gavin Newsom and First Partner to go to that dinner, because the Newsom family risk from Covid-19 is very, very low.
I only wish Newsom had as much faith in me as I have in him to make a personal risk assessment like this....
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lazyboy97o
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When was this dinner that included thousands of doctors, epidemiologists and public health professionals from around the world?
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TP2000
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That's just it Hans, he didn't "mess up" from a Covid perspective. He should have gone to that dinner party. Because the risk to him and his family by attending was very, very low.
You could make a valid argument that he messed up politically, because the optics and his initial lies about the dinner have made him look very bad. Plus the rampant hypocrisy. But messed up medically, or even make a bad judgement call as a parent? No, I don't think so.
The Newsom's did the risk assessment and analysis in their brains, and they knew they would be acceptably safe to do it, for themselves and for their children and live-in household staff they'd see a few hours later that night.
Many of us just wish Gavin Newsom allowed people to make the same personal decisions for themselves, for their businesses, and for their livelihoods.
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You continually make it sound as if the global guidelines Newsom endorses are some kind of criminal sentence specifically concocted by Sacramento bureaucrats to wreak havoc on the livelihoods of Californians. For some of you this isn't about whether he should have attended the dinner or not, it is a political argument against a particular governor whose policies you generally disagreed with long before the pandemic began. Be angry at the pandemic, not the people doing what's required to control the spread.