Politics Theme Park Reopening Guidelines to be released 10/20/20

[lazyboy97o]

I just checked. In the last 17 years I have 16,763 posts here on this message board. I will let all 16,763 of those posts speak for themselves, quite happily. Even the ones made at 1am after a third cocktail.

If you have other science and data that shows the USA's current testing and death rates are different from those I have posted from the CDC and United Nations, then please be my guest and share them.

Otherwise, the Science and Data that I posted here speak for themselves. Which is why I mentioned it, because when you're from Villa Park you have to do something.

Maybe you can explain why the CDC is so concerned and keeps looking at so much more that the two things a guy who doesn’t know the difference between cold and flu thinks are of paramount importance.

 

[TP2000]

Did you even read the article?

"Because this order came out late on Saturday, we needed some further clarification from the county before we could take any action," he said. "We needed a little bit more time in order to implement the distribution of the actual directive. That is in process now, and certainly by the end of the day today, those directives will be available to everyone as they pass outside of security at the airport."

Yes I did read it, which is why I selected that latest article. And per this afternoon's media stories, they finally got their "signage package" in place by this evening. Almost a full day after the quarantine took effect.

But honestly Hans, San Jose is a big deal airport now. A few years ago I noticed even British Airways flies in there now non-stop from London. I think Japan Airlines also flies there now too. And they had no idea there was a quarantine happening today. Oops!

According to Google, about 16 Million people use San Jose Airport every year now. Or about 20,000 arriving passengers per day. How many of those 20,000 passengers do you think are actually going to quarantine themselves for 14 days after they pick up their luggage in baggage claim? The whole thing is a joke.

This "quarantine" will only work if Newsom shuts down the airports across California entirely, and then implements armed border crossings at all the highway land crossings from Oregon to Arizona. Otherwise, this is about as meaningful as telling people not to celebrate Thanksgiving and Christmas. Or to stop going to WalMart.

Shutting down all ability to enter or leave is basically what New Zealand did six months ago. You can't get in, and you can't get out. Like East Berlin circa 1963, but with an App instead of snarling German Shepherds.

 

[TP2000]

Maybe you can explain why the CDC is so concerned and keeps looking at so much more that the two things a guy who doesn’t know the difference between cold and flu thinks are of paramount importance.

What are those things? Besides testing rates and death rates, of course.

A cold is more in your head, all stuffed up and sneezy sometimes with a cough, and a flu is more in your chest, but with a fever and body aches. I've been doing this for decades. What am I missing?

 

[MoonRakerSCM]

Do continue to align yourself with someone

Pffffft, aligning? I align with none other than Grimace from McDonalds... but we're talking four-armed thief evil Grimace before they turned him into the softie he grew popular as.

'Align' lol.

 

[MarvelCharacterNerd]

Honestly, Disneyland is mostly a young person's hangout; teens, twentysomethings, and young families with small children. You get a few occasional grandparents, or some tenured fans like some of us here, but it wouldn't surprise me to learn the average age of a Disneyland visitor is about 30 years old.

Lol "tenured" - I like that!

I hope you had a nice holiday with your family, while the rest of us were stuck having a #HappyThanksGavin

 

[George Lucas on a Bench]

I just want everyone to know I celebrated Thanksgiving indoors for hours and then after work the next day, picked up some Black Friday merchandise along with apparently everyone else in the Anaheim area in a mass gathering. Sorry, Gavin!

 

[TP2000]

Lol "tenured" - I like that!

I hope you had a nice holiday with your family, while the rest of us were stuck having a #HappyThanksGavin

Thank you, friend, I did have a nice Thanksgiving. I spent it with several generations of family from a collection of West Coast states, and ate waaaaay too much. And then on Friday we went up to Portland to a couple of malls in the western suburbs of Portlandia where life is still normal.

I would have normally gone into downtown Portland to shop at the fabulous Powell's and a few favorite furnishing stores downtown, but that entire central city is a boarded up wasteland now. It's so sad what downtown Portland has become in just 5 short months, entirely destroyed and smashed and abandoned.

At least the suburbs are still normal up here, as they are in OC as well.

I hope your holiday weekend was fun! I have half a mind to take a detour to Santa Clara County on my way home this week, if only to roll down the window blasting The Supremes and yelling "QUARANTINE!" at random freeway drivers.

 

[TP2000]

Pffffft, aligning? I align with none other than Grimace from McDonalds... but we're talking four-armed thief evil Grimace before they turned him into the softie he grew popular as.

'Align' lol.

Great catch. I didn't spot that "align" phrasing until you mentioned it. How funny!

Who on earth has aligned with anything around here except Disneyland, and maybe Tony Baxter?

That said... Grimace from McDonald's. What was he supposed to be anyway? McDonald's never served a grape flavored anything, so why was he purple? And four armed? Grimace. And he stole your milkshake? I'm going to have to think long and hard about that during my 15 hour drive south on I-5 this week.

 

[Emmanuel]

Im back after catching up on the Covid news for the state.

First off, the "Safer at Home" order for LA County (which is the county I live in) was basically a rebranding of the "Safer LA" order made back in the summer. Without a stricter "stay at home" order for the County, which I'm sure will come from the state within this week and only reducing capacity at both non and essential retail its not really gonna have the hopeful effect of bringing down the numbers by December 20th. The only closures ordered was the Cardrooms and playgrounds. Just...not adequate given the situation that's expected to get worse as the Thanksgiving numbers come in. And even with a surge capacity, there isn't adequate staff as ICU staff has to have training for ICU work if I remember right.

The expected State reissued "Stay at home" order for counties in purple (which basically is almost the entire state at this point) with expected modifications I'm not sure how different will it be from LA County's safer at home order but I guess we'll see this week if it comes to that.

In the spirit of good news (honestly at this point I'll take any ounce of good news in a year thats been filled with bad news), California is gonna get its share of the Pfizer vaccine next month in the amount of 327,000 doses so expect the first groups to that will be prioritized to get them as soon as they're able after FDA gives the emergency use approval to that vaccine. This follows the news that Moderna this morning filed their own approval request so it remains to be seen how much from Moderna that the state will get. Both vaccines have a high effectiveness in protection around 95%. The general population will have to be patient (if they have any left) as vaccines will obviously be in short supply initially unless some miracle happens and the companies are able to increase capacity in their facilities to make more doses.

So how does this affect predictions of theme parks eventually being able to reopen? Well....that will have to be discussed at a later time as the vaccines get rolled out through out the first 6 months of 2021 pending FDA approval for the top 2 candidates for a vaccine and potentially more from AstraZenca and Johnson&Johnson (J&J is expected to be a single shot dose instead of two shots like the top 3 candidates) But I guess if anyone had any guesses that theme parks will return next summer (as OC has predicted) they'll likely still be correct months from now.

 

[SoCalMort]

Deaths Per 1 Million Citizens as of 11/29/2020
Belgium = 1,448 Deaths Per 1 Million Belgians
Spain = 964 Deaths Per 1 Million Spaniards
Italy = 920 Deaths Per 1 Million Italians
United Kingdom = 879 Deaths Per 1 Million Britons
United States = 838 Deaths Per 1 Million Americans
France = 787 Deaths Per 1 Million Frenchmen

Interesting parsing.

Now let's look at each nation's total COVID deaths and see what is its percentage of the world's COVID death counts. Then let's compare that to each nation's total population and see what is its percentage of the world population.

Coronavirus Update (Live): 121,278,064 Cases and 2,682,256 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Pandemic - Worldometer

Live statistics and coronavirus news tracking the number of confirmed cases, recovered patients, tests, and death toll due to the COVID-19 coronavirus from Wuhan, China. Coronavirus counter with new cases, deaths, and number of tests per 1 Million population. Historical data and info. Daily...

www.worldometers.info

 

[TP2000]

In the spirit of good news (honestly at this point I'll take any ounce of good news in a year thats been filled with bad news), California is gonna get its share of the Pfizer vaccine next month in the amount of 327,000 doses so expect the first groups to that will be prioritized to get them as soon as they're able after FDA gives the emergency use approval to that vaccine.

So how does this affect predictions of theme parks eventually being able to reopen? Well....that will have to be discussed at a later time as the vaccines get rolled out through out the first 6 months of 2021 pending FDA approval for the top 2 candidates for a vaccine and potentially more from AstraZenca and Johnson&Johnson (J&J is expected to be a single shot dose instead of two shots like the top 3 candidates) But I guess if anyone had any guesses that theme parks will return next summer (as OC has predicted) they'll likely still be correct months from now.

I heard on the news that the first tens of thousands of doses of vaccine sent to California will be going to our armed forces who serve at Vandenbergh AFB and a few of the USN and USMC bases in SoCal, because those folks are responsible for keeping the nuclear missiles from Russia, China and North Korea from reaching our shores. So they go first before the "first responders" in your local hospital, then the old people, then the sickly, and on and on.

Assuming civilians agree to get the vaccine after its been approved by President Trump's Operation Warp Speed and his FDA.

I think Governor Newsom was correct in surmising in a recent press conference that the bulk of Californians won't receive the vaccine until next summer, which would seem to put the reopening of Disneyland in its normal capacity (instead of the current 25% in Yellow Tier only) sometime about a year from now; autumn, 2021.

 

[SuddenStorm]

I think Governor Newsom was correct in surmising in a recent press conference that the bulk of Californians won't receive the vaccine until next summer, which would seem to put the reopening of Disneyland in its normal capacity (instead of the current 25% in Yellow Tier only) sometime about a year from now; autumn, 2021.

Wait, do we really think Disneyland's going to be allowed to regain full capacity after the vaccine?

If the last 8 months have taught me anything, it's that the goalposts are going to shift once again- and it's gonna be Summer 2022 before families can go to Disneyland without capacity restrictions.

 

[TP2000]

Interesting parsing.

Now let's look at each nation's total COVID deaths and see what is its percentage of the world's COVID death counts. Then let's compare that to each nation's total population and see what is its percentage of the world population.

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Coronavirus Update (Live): 121,278,064 Cases and 2,682,256 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Pandemic - Worldometer

Live statistics and coronavirus news tracking the number of confirmed cases, recovered patients, tests, and death toll due to the COVID-19 coronavirus from Wuhan, China. Coronavirus counter with new cases, deaths, and number of tests per 1 Million population. Historical data and info. Daily...

www.worldometers.info

Sure, that's one way to look at it. If you're a math major at Fullerton Junior College (Go Hornets!) and can do the stats in your head like that. I can't.

Which is why I use the same data the United Nations and CDC are using, which is deaths per capita. In the case of countries with many millions of people, it's deaths per 1 Million citizens. Which is where this widely used list comes from; deaths per 1 Million citizens.

Belgium = 1,448 Deaths Per 1 Million Belgians
Peru = 1,124 Deaths Per 1 Million Peruvians
Spain = 964 Deaths Per 1 Million Spaniards
Italy = 920 Deaths Per 1 Million Italians
Argentina = 870 Deaths Per 1 Million Argentinians
United Kingdom = 879 Deaths Per 1 Million Britons
Mexico = 840 Deaths Per 1 Million Mexicans
United States = 838 Deaths Per 1 Million Americans
Brazil = 820 Deaths Per 1 Million Brazilians
France = 787 Deaths Per 1 Million Frenchmen

 

[TP2000]

Wait, do we really think Disneyland's going to be allowed to regain full capacity after the vaccine?

If the last 8 months have taught me anything, it's that the goalposts are going to shift once again- and it's gonna be Summer 2022 before families can go to Disneyland without capacity restrictions.

Oh, you are a smart one!

I have thought the exact same thing. Just like Governor Newsom decreeing that gas powered cars will no longer be sold in California, I have a growing suspicion that theme parks are also on his list of naughty and wasteful 20th century decadences that should no longer be allowed. Along with cheeseburgers and plastic straws and grocery bags.

The goalposts have constantly moved in 2020. And even the mantras we heard in March (Flatten The Curve!) were changed entirely by June (Stay Home, Save Lives!) to a new rallying cry in August (Equity!) to now in November where it's something completely different (Cases!).

I think it's obvious that Governor Newsom finds theme parks to be low-class, trashy places where the unstylish people who shop unapologetically at WalMart and never dine at The French Laundry go for their rolly-coasters and robot shows and fried foods and branded polyester clothing. Gavin Newsom and First Partner have never taken their four young children to a California theme park, and they never will.

Governor Newsom doesn't seem to want theme parks to exist in his New California. Thus, once their counties reach the mythical Yellow Tier they may only reopen at 25% capacity, just to ensure they stay unprofitable. If their parent companies haven't already gone out of business by then (fingers crossed!).

 

[fradz]

Sure, that's one way to look at it. If you're a math major at Fullerton Junior College (Go Hornets!) and can do the stats in your head like that. I can't.

Which is why I use the same data the United Nations and CDC are using, which is deaths per capita. In the case of countries with many millions of people, it's deaths per 1 Million citizens. Which is where this widely used list comes from; deaths per 1 Million citizens.

Belgium = 1,448 Deaths Per 1 Million Belgians
Peru = 1,124 Deaths Per 1 Million Peruvians
Spain = 964 Deaths Per 1 Million Spaniards
Italy = 920 Deaths Per 1 Million Italians
Argentina = 870 Deaths Per 1 Million Argentinians
United Kingdom = 879 Deaths Per 1 Million Britons
Mexico = 840 Deaths Per 1 Million Mexicans
United States = 838 Deaths Per 1 Million Americans
Brazil = 820 Deaths Per 1 Million Brazilians
France = 787 Deaths Per 1 Million Frenchmen

YAAAYY we are #1!!!

btw: https://www.brusselstimes.com/news/...-highest-coronavirus-death-rate-in-the-world/

 

[truecoat]

1 of every 800 persons in North Dakota has now died of Covid-19 and it's not even close to done yet.

 

[George Lucas on a Bench]

Wait, do we really think Disneyland's going to be allowed to regain full capacity after the vaccine?

If the last 8 months have taught me anything, it's that the goalposts are going to shift once again- and it's gonna be Summer 2022 before families can go to Disneyland without capacity restrictions.

Even if the Chinese virus becomes obsolete at some point, assuming it doesn't just return every year like The Flu and the McRib, I can see limitations being enforced depending on whatever is happening such as The Flu Season. Just like all these people obsess over the Corona statistics and data models, so will they with The Flu. Disneyland will have to operate at 25% capacity forever.

 

[Stevek]

Wait, do we really think Disneyland's going to be allowed to regain full capacity after the vaccine?

If the last 8 months have taught me anything, it's that the goalposts are going to shift once again- and it's gonna be Summer 2022 before families can go to Disneyland without capacity restrictions.

I think that by Q4 of next year, they will be open at full capacity IF the vaccine is widely available at that time. Q1 2022 at the latest IMO. We'll see how things go around April/May/June...that should be very telling.

 

[SoCalMort]

Sure, that's one way to look at it. If you're a math major at Fullerton Junior College (Go Hornets!) and can do the stats in your head like that. I can't.

Like they say, "Those that can, do. Those that can't, mock."

 

[el_super]

Wait, do we really think Disneyland's going to be allowed to regain full capacity after the vaccine?

Wait, do you really think Disneyland will never be allowed to regain full capacity... like ever?

If the last 8 months have taught me anything, it's that the goalposts are going to shift once again- and it's gonna be Summer 2022 before families can go to Disneyland without capacity restrictions.

The goalposts haven't moved.

Disneyland could be operating at full capacity by March, if people could follow instructions.