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[Disney Irish]

I'm not glib, I think it's good news for your friend in her 50's. It's just the science and data proving she'll survive.

But for tracking purposes, a death is a death. I don't think the CDC would double-count or heavily weight a death of someone who got Covid a second or third time. Once you die with Covid, you die. And the CDC then adds your death to the tracking information and data.

Currently that USA death toll from Covid is 275,000 this year, or about 0.08% of the US population. With an average age of death from Covid of about 80 years old.

I just learned in the last 15 mins she got admitted to the ICU. So those statistics aren't looking so good now. People AREN'T statistics my friend. There are real people behind those numbers you like to throw around. Real people that are getting sick and dying. So stop throw around numbers and realize this is affecting real people.

As for death, it comes to us all. I've had two friends die this year; not from Covid, just from old age, although one had Alzheimer's. One was in their late 80's, and one was 91 years old.

Also, a neighbor a few houses down also died this past spring, so that makes three people I've known who died this year. He didn't die from Covid, he'd had several strokes in recent years and died suddenly overnight in his home.

Approximately 3 Million Americans die every year, or about 8,000 deaths per day, for many various reasons. Death is a part of life. It is sad for those who lose a loved one, but we must all then go on. We can not be in a constant state of sorrowful mourning for the thousands of Americans dying every day year after year, nor for the hundreds of thousands of humans who die on this planet every day.

If you tried to be in mourning for every American death every day you would quickly go insane.

See this is a glib response you've given. People are gonna die anyways so who cares. Everyone dies, blah blah blah.

 

[Giss Neric]

Hong Kong Disneyland is now closed again.

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What a big blow to them after just revealing their brand new castle.

 

[Deleted member 107043]

They spiked earlier in the fall than the USA did, by about four to five weeks, and I would expect the USA's numbers to fall similarly after our current spike. That's what these things do, spike and surge or whatever word the TV news wants to use, before they fall again.

But only in nations that take virus spread seriously and initiate national mitigation measures among their populations. As you can see by the graph I shared there has never been a point where the US had a prolonged downward trend in new infections, which at least partially explains why our state's health officials are advising Governor Newsom to keep Disneyland and other theme parks shuttered.

What a big blow to them after just revealing their brand new castle.

It's unfortunate. Very on brand for 2020, isn't it?

@Disney Irish I was sad to read about your friend's condition. I'm hoping for the best outcome for them.

 

[TP2000]

I just learned in the last 15 mins she got admitted to the ICU. So those statistics aren't looking so good now. People AREN'T statistics my friend. There are real people behind those numbers you like to throw around. Real people that are getting sick and dying. So stop throw around numbers and realize this is affecting real people.

Well, I'm only throwing around "numbers" because that is simply the science and data.

We can only respond to this virus on a mass scale with science and data.

I know not everyone subscribes to this belief, but I happen to believe that as we live out our life here on Earth that we are all God's children. But when it comes to government agencies and politicians worrying about the next election, we are merely numbers and statistics to them.

But for each individual person, life is a precious thing. If your 50 year old friend with Covid has been admitted to the ICU tonight for breathing difficulties, I hope you honestly find comfort in the fact that the survival rate for Americans aged 50 to 69 is 99.5%. It would be extremely rare for your friend to die from Covid at that age, and especially with no known co-morbidities. I trust she will recover shortly!

 

[lazyboy97o]

Well, I'm only throwing around "numbers" because that is simply the science and data.

We can only respond to this virus on a mass scale with science and data.

I know not everyone subscribes to this belief, but I happen to believe that as we live out our life here on Earth that we are all God's children. But when it comes to government agencies and politicians worrying about the next election, we are merely numbers and statistics to them.

But for each individual person, life is a precious thing. If your 50 year old friend with Covid has been admitted to the ICU tonight for breathing difficulties, I hope you honestly find comfort in the fact that the survival rate for Americans aged 50 to 69 is 99.5%. It would be extremely rare for your friend to die from Covid at that age, and especially with no known co-morbidities. I trust she will recover shortly!

Nothing like science and data from a guy who didn't know the difference between a cold and flu. Keep on downplaying while doctors express concern.

 

[TP2000]

But only in nations that take virus spread seriously and initiate national mitigation measures among their populations. As you can see by the graph I shared there has never been a point where the US had a prolonged downward trend in new infections, which at least partially explains why our state's health officials are advising Governor Newsom to keep Disneyland and other theme parks shuttered.

Taking a second look at those graphs you posted above, what is most striking is how the death rates per capita are so high in the UK and France compared to the USA. The UK and France had very mild case numbers that basically flatlined over the summer, but they had comparable or higher death rates than the USA?

Again, this is just the science and data. Just pure numbers and statistics spread across highly industrialized nations with huge populations. But the science and data really do tell a story. And I still don't understand why so many European countries with higher death rates than the USA aren't testing more??? What are they waiting for over there, even more deaths???

Deaths Per 1 Million Citizens as of 11/29/2020
Belgium = 1,448 Deaths Per 1 Million Belgians
Spain = 964 Deaths Per 1 Million Spaniards
Italy = 920 Deaths Per 1 Million Italians
United Kingdom = 879 Deaths Per 1 Million Britons
United States = 838 Deaths Per 1 Million Americans
France = 787 Deaths Per 1 Million Frenchmen

Coronavirus Updates (COVID-19) Deaths & Cases per 1M Population | RealClearPolitics

Coronavirus Updates (COVID-19) Deaths & Cases per Population | RealClearPolitics

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[lazyboy97o]

Taking a second look at those graphs you posted above, what is most striking is how the death rates per capita are so high in the UK and France compared to the USA. The UK and France had very mild case numbers that basically flatlined over the summer, but they had comparable or higher death rates than the USA?

Again, this is just the science and data. Just pure numbers and statistics spread across highly industrialized nations with huge populations. But the science and data really do tell a story. And I still don't understand why so many European countries with higher death rates than the USA aren't testing more??? What are they waiting for over there, even more deaths???

Deaths Per 1 Million Citizens as of 11/29/2020
Belgium = 1,448 Deaths Per 1 Million Belgians
Spain = 964 Deaths Per 1 Million Spaniards
Italy = 920 Deaths Per 1 Million Italians
United Kingdom = 879 Deaths Per 1 Million Britons
United States = 838 Deaths Per 1 Million Americans
France = 787 Deaths Per 1 Million Frenchmen

Coronavirus Updates (COVID-19) Deaths & Cases per 1M Population | RealClearPolitics

Coronavirus Updates (COVID-19) Deaths & Cases per Population | RealClearPolitics

www.realclearpolitics.com

Oh look, more bad statistics intended to downplay the situation.

 

[TP2000]

Nothing like science and data from a guy who didn't know the difference between a cold and flu. Keep on downplaying while doctors express concern.

If I am thinking correctly, a cold is mainly in your nasal passages, while a flu gets down into your lungs?

If you have different science and data, please share it. I am simply sharing what is available from the CDC and the various governments as they report in via the United Nations or their EU partners. Or via Sacramento and the various California counties.

 

[TP2000]

Oh look, more bad statistics intended to downplay the situation.

Again, it's just the science and data as available as of today. Do you have a different source other than the CDC, United Nations, or individual health authorities in the European Union?

 

[lazyboy97o]

If I am thinking correctly, a cold is mainly in your nasal passages, while a flu gets down into your lungs?

Thank you for demonstrating that you have absolutely no clue as to what you are going on about.

Again, it's just the science and data as available as of today. Do you have a different source other than the CDC, United Nations, or individual health authorities in the European Union?

Try looking at numbers that do not include people who have never been infected as has been explained to you repeatedly.

 

[TP2000]

Thank you for demonstrating that you have absolutely no clue as to what you are going on about.

Until 2020, I got most of my medical knowledge from TV commercials. And it often just led me to start humming the "Plop, plop, fizz, fizz" jingle for Alka-Seltzer. But that's just cause I'm a generally healthy guy, who loves a good jingle.

Try looking at numbers that do not include people who have never been infected as has been explained to you repeatedly.

Wait, the death rate per capita isn't what we're worrying about? This whole thing was about preventing death, wasn't it? What's the other science and data we are worried about if it's not dying from Covid? I'm sure I can't be the only person who would be confused by that. Disneyland is still closed, after all.

It was all about preventing deaths, wasn't it?

Deaths Per 1 Million Citizens as of 11/29/2020
Belgium = 1,448 Deaths Per 1 Million Belgians
Peru = 1,124 Deaths Per 1 Million Peruvians
Spain = 964 Deaths Per 1 Million Spaniards
Italy = 920 Deaths Per 1 Million Italians
Argentina = 870 Deaths Per 1 Million Argentinians
United Kingdom = 879 Deaths Per 1 Million Britons
Mexico = 840 Deaths Per 1 Million Mexicans
United States = 838 Deaths Per 1 Million Americans
Brazil = 820 Deaths Per 1 Million Brazilians
France = 787 Deaths Per 1 Million Frenchmen

 

[lazyboy97o]

Until 2020, I got most of my medical knowledge from TV commercials. And it often just led me to start humming the "Plop, plop, fizz, fizz" jingle for Alka-Seltzer. But that's just cause I'm a generally healthy guy, who loves a good jingle.

Thank you for highlighting the long standing failures of education in the US.

Wait, the death rate per capita isn't what we're worrying about? This whole thing was about preventing death, wasn't it? What's the other science and data we are worried about if it's not dying from Covid? I'm sure I can't be the only person who would be confused by that.

People who don’t have a disease don’t die from it. That you keep harping about deaths while ignoring that it is the third leading cause of death in the US and the other myriad negative outcomes that are still being discovered shows a deliberate willingness to ignore the world around, despite claims of being a “news junkie.”

 

[TP2000]

Thank you for highlighting the long standing failures of education in the US.

Well, that's something we won't be able to solve here in this forum. I'm also no longer attending classes.

You may want to sit down for this, but... I also got most of my understanding of molecular science from Monsanto's Adventure Thru Inner Space.

I imagine most of Disneyland's guests also did the same. if they were even paying attention to that ride instead of to their date on that ticket-less dark Omnimover.

People who don’t have a disease don’t die from it. That you keep harping about deaths while ignoring that it is the third leading cause of death in the US and the other myriad negative outcomes that are still being discovered shows a deliberate willingness to ignore the world around, despite claims of being a “news junkie.”

Honestly, if I didn't know any better, I would think you are upset because the USA has a higher testing rate and a lower death rate than many big, rich European countries.

I'm harping about deaths because we were trying to prevent people from dying from Covid. The USA has one of the highest per capita testing rates in the world. The USA has just tested 194 Million Americans as of today, which makes us 10th in the world for Covid testing per capita. And the only other comparable countries in that list is the UK and Israel, as the other 8 countries are mostly weird, little places with the population of Fresno, or maybe Denver.

I had to Google up St. Barth. It's a small island with a population of 9,131.

1. Gibraltar = 2.6 Million tests per 1 Million citizens
2. Luxembourg = 2.2 Million tests per 1 Million citizens
3. UAE = 1.7 Million tests per 1 Million citizens
4. Bahrain = 1.3 Million tests per 1 Million citizens
5. Denmark = 1.2 Million tests per 1 Million citizens
6. Singapore = 790,000 tests per 1 Million citizens
7. St. Barth = 670,000 tests per 1 Million citizens
8. United Kingdom = 653,000 tests per 1 Million citizens
9. Israel = 630,000 tests per 1 Million citizens
10. United States = 595,000 tests per 1 Million citizens

Coronavirus Updates (COVID-19) Deaths & Cases per 1M Population | RealClearPolitics

Coronavirus Updates (COVID-19) Deaths & Cases per Population | RealClearPolitics

www.realclearpolitics.com

 

[lazyboy97o]

Well, that's something we won't be able to solve here in this forum. I'm also no longer attending classes.

You may want to sit down for this, but... I also got most of my understanding of molecular science from Monsanto's Adventure Thru Inner Space.

I imagine most of Disneyland's guests also did the same. if they were even paying attention to that ride instead of to their date on that ticket-less dark Omnimover.



Honestly, if I didn't know any better, I would think you are upset because the USA has a higher testing rate and a lower death rate than many big, rich European countries.

I'm harping about deaths because we were trying to prevent people from dying from Covid. The USA has one of the highest per capita testing rates in the world. The USA has just tested 194 Million Americans as of today, which makes us 10th in the world for Covid testing per capita. And the only other comparable countries in that list is the UK and Israel, as the other 8 countries are mostly weird, little places with the population of Fresno, or maybe Denver.

I had to Google up St. Barth. It's a small island with a population of 9,131.

1. Gibraltar = 2.6 Million tests per 1 Million citizens
2. Luxembourg = 2.2 Million tests per 1 Million citizens
3. UAE = 1.7 Million tests per 1 Million citizens
4. Bahrain = 1.3 Million tests per 1 Million citizens
5. Denmark = 1.2 Million tests per 1 Million citizens
6. Singapore = 790,000 tests per 1 Million citizens
7. St. Barth = 670,000 tests per 1 Million citizens
8. United Kingdom = 653,000 tests per 1 Million citizens
9. Israel = 630,000 tests per 1 Million citizens
10. United States = 595,000 tests per 1 Million citizens

Coronavirus Updates (COVID-19) Deaths & Cases per 1M Population | RealClearPolitics

Coronavirus Updates (COVID-19) Deaths & Cases per Population | RealClearPolitics

www.realclearpolitics.com

Your fundamental ignorance has been demonstrated. No need to continue.

 

[MoonRakerSCM]

Maybe I'll catch it when I go to Disneyworld in a couple weeks. That'd be interesting.

All I'm concerned about right now is if Newsom can or may shut down the airports.

 

[MoonRakerSCM]

Your fundamental ignorance has been demonstrated. No need to continue.

Pffffft, I DECLARE I AM RIGHT AND ALL WILL BE SILENT NOW.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Pffffft, I DECLARE I AM RIGHT AND ALL WILL BE SILENT NOW.

There is no declaring. The issues have been explained many times. Do continue to align yourself with someone who doesn’t even know the difference between the cold and flu but has somehow outdone thousands of doctors around the world to figure out the simplicity of SARS-CoV-2.

 

[TP2000]

Your fundamental ignorance has been demonstrated. No need to continue.

I just checked. In the last 17 years I have 16,763 posts here on this message board. I will let all 16,763 of those posts speak for themselves, quite happily. Even the ones made at 1am after a third cocktail.

If you have other science and data that shows the USA's current testing and death rates are different from those I have posted from the CDC and United Nations, then please be my guest and share them.

Otherwise, the Science and Data that I posted here speak for themselves. Which is why I mentioned it, because when you're from Villa Park you have to do something.

 

[TP2000]

Maybe I'll catch it when I go to Disneyworld in a couple weeks. That'd be interesting.

All I'm concerned about right now is if Newsom can or may shut down the airports.

If Santa Clara County and San Jose International Airport is any indication, the heart of the Silicon Valley where we are told everyone is very smart and very cutting edge and very connected, then you won't have to worry about airport quarantines anywhere within the state of California. Because no one will know about them and even few will care.

How Will Santa Clara County's Travel Quarantine Order Be Enforced?

A new travel quarantine order is now in effect in Santa Clara County. Starting Monday, anyone who has traveled more than 150 miles away from the county will have to quarantine for 14 days when they return. But the big question is how will it be enforced?

www.nbcbayarea.com

 

[Deleted member 107043]

Because no one will know about them and even few will care.

Did you even read the article?

"Because this order came out late on Saturday, we needed some further clarification from the county before we could take any action," he said. "We needed a little bit more time in order to implement the distribution of the actual directive. That is in process now, and certainly by the end of the day today, those directives will be available to everyone as they pass outside of security at the airport."