The USA/9-11/Iraq/bin Laden abroad

tenchu

Well-Known Member
Originally posted by disney_nutter


to tell u the truth it has not gotten better but worse from 9/11. We are having no more bombings but we clearly see the ira,uvf using kids as cover for there acts. people are being forced to move houses. kids as young as 9 are out fighting and this done by these so called freedom goups. I think most people here thought that becuase of 9/11 that these acts would stop as we saw what terrosim has done to another country. but can i just say and i am sorry if anyone takes this the wrong way, but sooner or later the ira will start bombing main land uk and this will be the wake up call bliar needs.

Any news about NI has gone very quiet over here lately, and i must admit i never realised it was quite so blatant, with children being used as pawns.

The thing that annoys me about the whole 'Osama' thing is the way these terrosists are making it sound like it is a war against Islam, not against terrorism.

The number of people who are trying to name babies osama etc because they believe that he is 'trying to rid the world of the evil that is america' is ridiculous.

That quote came from a couple in Germany recently.
 

prberk

Well-Known Member
Original Poster
Thank you for all the responses. This is a good discussion.

I am interested, though, in finding out a little more about what the people around you (for those of you outside the USA) seem to think. Please include that angle in your responses, alongside your own opinion. Do most of your countrymen agree with you? How do they see the USA, bin Laden, Blair, Iraq?

One real concern that I have is that one year later, we still see only sparse condemnation for terror from largely Muslim nations or Muslim leaders. This particular terrorism hurts their religion, and it bothers me that Muslim leaders are not speaking up loudly. Anyone on this board live in a largely Muslim country and have any take on the view of "average Muslims"?

Finally, as regards the IRA and the "war on terror," even though this particular war seems focused on middle-Eastern terrorism, I personally see the enemy as terrorism itself: that is, the idea that rogue people can take the law into their own hands and use terrorist methods to scare people and undermine civil society. In that regard, the IRA (and any other group or person) is a "terrorist" threat when it uses these methods to intimidate and bully others. So, it needs to take notice also, if the goal is to defeat terrorism.
 

MajinBuu

New Member
Anyone else see the movie Deterence?

Its a kool movie. Anyway, its about Saddam's son doing basically the same thing Saddam himself did. Its set in the not-so-distant future. The Prez was gonna drop an A-bomb on Baghdad(SP?). Iraq said that when the plane crossed the border of Iraq they would fire Nuclear weapons at cities all over the world.

You should see it!!
 

darthdarrel

New Member
Originally posted by tenchu


Any news about NI has gone very quiet over here lately, and i must admit i never realised it was quite so blatant, with children being used as pawns.

The thing that annoys me about the whole 'Osama' thing is the way these terrosists are making it sound like it is a war against Islam, not against terrorism.

The number of people who are trying to name babies osama etc because they believe that he is 'trying to rid the world of the evil that is america' is ridiculous.

That quote came from a couple in Germany recently.
I find the whole IRA thing so pathetic! Here in the USA Catholic and protestants live together in peace,heck even marry one another,LOL! My dad was Catholic and my mom was a jehovah witness!:lol: Talk about your differances in religion! But my point is we can all live in peace Muslims,jews,catholic,protestant why can`t they in Ireland?
 

Erika

Moderator
Originally posted by darthdarrel

I find the whole IRA thing so pathetic! Here in the USA Catholic and protestants live together in peace,heck even marry one another,LOL! My dad was Catholic and my mom was a jehovah witness!:lol: Talk about your differances in religion! But my point is we can all live in peace Muslims,jews,catholic,protestant why can`t they in Ireland?

We're very lucky to live in a place where people, FOR THE MOST PART, can get along. We do of course have many MANY black marks against us, historically speaking, but we have made so much progress. And until recent years I never realized that Jews and Muslims, Catholics and Protestants were considered enemies in certain areas. My biggest group of friends in high school included people of all those faiths plus Buddist, Hindu and a few others. It never would have occured to us that we were supposed to be hating each other! We were having too much fun.
 

Legacy

Well-Known Member
Originally Posted By Erika-
We're very lucky to live in a place where people, FOR THE MOST PART, can get along. We do of course have many MANY black marks against us, historically speaking, but we have made so much progress. And until recent years I never realized that Jews and Muslims, Catholics and Protestants were considered enemies in certain areas. My biggest group of friends in high school included people of all those faiths plus Buddist, Hindu and a few others. It never would have occured to us that we were supposed to be hating each other! We were having too much fun.
I apologize that this going to sound like a very trivial statement in such a serious discussion... but that last part of what Erika said reminded me of Fox and the Hound. Maybe Disney should rerelease that maybe that would help some....
 
Originally posted by acellis_99
dda

When Saddam does attack and kill Americans, don't sit back and say "Why didn't our government do something to prevent it?"

P.S.S. Clinton was offered Bin Laden while he was President and turned it down. So do we blame the government for 9/11.

:wave: ACE

You are very correct....during Clinto's administration, he was able to rid of bin laden and sat with his finger up his _______. (u know what) After 9/11, he began saying "um er, well I tried to deal with him. You have to remember, most of the effects a president has does not turn up till after he leaves office.

I am also sick of this new terror video superimposing the highjackers over images of the 9/11 ruins....god help those people
 

Maria

New Member
Originally posted by alee4eva


The other day I heard a couple from MA (no offense) talking on their cell phone about how they did all the "touristy things" like visit the MET, Statue of Liberty and "GROUND ZERO!!" I wanted to hit them over the head with my umbrella and say "oh yes, lets go see where my best friend's father's body lays rotting, and where thousands of other innocent people lost their lives." I guess, just the mega tourism in the area shows how people are forgetting the devestation it caused.


Before I think of a better reply, I´m glad you touched this subject Alee, because Ground Zero has become a tourist attraction...sadly.

Friends of my family who had gone to NY didn´t go to the theaters or anything, but to Ground Zero! Makes me mad to think of the morbo that it implies when a tourist visits it. If I go to NY and see it, I know it will impress me a lot more than the twin towers themselves did a few years ago, but I wouldn´t make it a top spot to visit on my schedule. I couldn´t believe you could pick up tickets to visit it. Who thought of that? Was it impreative to allow people to visit it and make it a tourist attraction?
 

Tramp

New Member
...and please, I hope they don't make a National holiday out of it...we have a tendency to make our most solemn holidays into Department Store 'white' sales...the day should always be remembered, as Dec 7th, as a day for reflecting.

..just my opinion and not worth a damn.
 

Talsonic

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Hold Tight!

IMHO it's a real simple deal. The USA had every right to go after Osama after the 9/11 attacks. You kill us and we will kill you. However, the USA is not the police force of the world. The USA should only act if it is in the interest of the USA. Good Lord, I thought the USA learned that lesson in Korea and Vietnam! A pre-emptive strike on Iraq by the USA is not a good idea. Let Sadam do as Hitler did. If the countries in the middle east and Europe are too passive to protect themselves then let them suffer the problems. Sure, the USA runs the risk of more attacks. That's one of the reasons why WDW visitation has taken a big plunge. And, of course, the USA is always going to be the target because the USA is number 1. The immigration policies have changed in the USA since 9/11. The USA has become more of an "island". Let Tony Blair show some spunk and attack Iraq!
 

Main Street USA

Well-Known Member
Re: Hold Tight!

Originally posted by Talsonic
You kill us and we will kill you.

Pretty soon, we'll all be dead.


.......because the USA is number 1.

Yes, that's true!

"Americaaaaaaaa, spread your golden wiiiiiiiiiiiiiings. Sail on freedom's dreeeeeeeams 'cross the skyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy."
- The American Adventure
 

Tramp

New Member
Originally posted by darthdarrel
Here`s the problem though Telsonic,Saddam has NUCLEAR and Biological WEAPONS! which will be aimed at us aswell!

If Saddam uses Nuclear weapons, we obliterate him, he knows that...the biggest threat to us and the world community is his proliferation of biological and chemical weapons and his willingness to sell or give these weapons to people undeterred by the threat of death and their willingness to use them against us...
Saddam is more likely to use a nuclear weapon for blackmail...point it at Israel and make demands...are we willing to sacrifice Israel? ...just think how destabilized that region will become if a nutcase has his hand on a weapon of mass destruction...
..we gotta ask ourselves, are we willing to take the chance that we are wrong about him? Bush knows far more than he is willing to say at this point lest the element of surprise on selected targets will be compromised.
 

Talsonic

Account Suspended
An Eye For An Eye and soon we'll all be Blind.

Originally posted by Main Street USA


Pretty soon, we'll all be dead.




Yes, that's true!

"Americaaaaaaaa, spread your golden wiiiiiiiiiiiiiings. Sail on freedom's dreeeeeeeams 'cross the skyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy."
- The American Adventure

Excellent point! Where does it stop? The USA has a major advantage in the "killing".
 

Talsonic

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Originally posted by darthdarrel
Here`s the problem though Telsonic,Saddam has NUCLEAR and Biological WEAPONS! which will be aimed at us aswell!

Yes, but hit us first. We can wait. Heck, North Africa and Europe have a huge threat. Does the USA have to bail them out again? Are they too weak to respond to the threat? Let's let Europeans figure this one out. As I said, Tony Blair might even give it a go.
 

Talsonic

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I agree with Tramp.

Tramp has asked me in a previous post not to quote him, and I respect his wishes. I fully agree with his previous response. However, I still say that the USA should not pick the fight. Sure, the USA could stomp Iraq into pieces. But, at what cost? Heck, more than half the world dislikes the USA as it is! The reason is simple, they don't have the advantage of living in the USA. I think this little song says it best:

The Merry Minuet

They're rioting in Africa
They're starving in Spain
There's hurricanes in Florida
And Texas needs rain
the Whole world is festering with unhappy souls
The French hate the Germans, the Germans hate the Poles
Italians hate Yugoslavs, South Africans hate the Dutch
And I don't like Anybody very much.



But we can be tranquil and thankful and proud
For man's been endowed with a mushroom-shaped cloud
And we know for certain that some lucky day
Someone will set the spark off and we will all be blown away



They're rioting in Africa
There's strife in Iran
What nature doesn't do to us
Will be done by our fellow Man


-- Sheldon Harnick @1958
 

jmarc63

New Member
Re: Hold Tight!

Originally posted by Talsonic
IMHO it's a real simple deal. The USA had every right to go after Osama after the 9/11 attacks. You kill us and we will kill you. However, the USA is not the police force of the world. The USA should only act if it is in the interest of the USA. Good Lord, I thought the USA learned that lesson in Korea and Vietnam! A pre-emptive strike on Iraq by the USA is not a good idea. Let Sadam do as Hitler did. If the countries in the middle east and Europe are too passive to protect themselves then let them suffer the problems. Sure, the USA runs the risk of more attacks. That's one of the reasons why WDW visitation has taken a big plunge. And, of course, the USA is always going to be the target because the USA is number 1. The immigration policies have changed in the USA since 9/11. The USA has become more of an "island". Let Tony Blair show some spunk and attack Iraq!

Talsonic. I have 6 friends that are currently in the marines or Army and from what they are able to share with me due to the fact they are not supposed to say anything about there assignments, but with conversations with them we are unfortunatly the worlds police, We have troops in places I never knew we were still in and either assisting or occupuying other countries to change the local gurillias movements to our way of thinking. Case in point in the drug war we are South America helping to stop the drug cartels and in europe where Marijuna is legal in coffee houses for purchases we are secreatly coerecing them to make it illegal or we won't assist them in any way until they do.
 

Talsonic

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What is your point?

Originally posted by jmarc63


Talsonic. I have 6 friends that are currently in the marines or Army and from what they are able to share with me due to the fact they are not supposed to say anything about there assignments, but with conversations with them we are unfortunatly the worlds police, We have troops in places I never knew we were still in and either assisting or occupuying other countries to change the local gurillias movements to our way of thinking. Case in point in the drug war we are South America helping to stop the drug cartels and in europe where Marijuna is legal in coffee houses for purchases we are secreatly coerecing them to make it illegal or we won't assist them in any way until they do.

Would you inject heroin in your body if it was legal to do so? The "drug war" is a politcal joke. Nicotine is the problem in the USA.
 

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