The Spirited Sixth Sense ...

[lebeau]

Because they can deny Disney channels access to most of the cable systems in the US, or use that as leverage to force Disney to lower the fees per network Comcast currently pays out to Disney.

No they can't. For a whole host of reasons, no.

 

[PeterAlt]

No they can't. For a whole host of reasons, no.

Name one. They can do whatever they want. There's no regulation protecting Disney.

 

[wm49rs]

No they can't. For a whole host of reasons, no.

Comcast and Disney signed a 10-year deal in 2012....

 

[rael ramone]

Why would the Comcast-TWC merger screw Disney? Disney isn't a cable provider. The newly merged company would still need Disney content. Also, did you see the recent Disney-Dish deal? That seems far more relevant than some fantasy merger that is never going to happen.

I wonder if TWDC's most valuable franchise is 'College Gameday'....

 

[lebeau]

Name one. They can do whatever they want. There's no regulation protecting Disney.

For one because the merger won't give Comcast a monopoly. There are alternatives like Dish which Disney just signed a win-win deal with that will allow Dish subscribers to access Disney-provided content on the internet and mobile devices.

You think Comcast would deny its subscribers ESPN, ABC and the Disney Channel to strong-arm the company? I'm sure they will play hardball. That's the name of the game. But they can't afford to shoot themselves in the foot with subscribers. This isn't like Dish blacking out AMC for a summer.

You should read a little about the merger. You'll find people arguing about how it is good/bad for consumers and competition. But you won't find one person worrying about how it would potentially impact The Walt Disney Company.

 

[lebeau]

Comcast and Disney signed a 10-year deal in 2012....

Yes, clearly they will be at Comcast's mercy... in 2022.

I wonder if TWDC's most valuable franchise is 'College Gameday'....

I know less about sports than anybody. But I know cable providers need ESPN to be relevant. Disney knows this too.

 

[PhotoDave219]

I wonder if TWDC's most valuable franchise is 'College Gameday'....

That's a distinct possibility.

 

[71jason]

I thought back in 2010 or 2011 TWDC said they were getting out of the princess and fairytale business. With the success of tangled and the 1 billion gross of Frozen I think we will see more fairytales from Disney in the future. I would say they are back in the fairytale business.

I guarantee you some VP is patting himself on the back for coming up with the "genius" move of making fairy tale princess movies--but then giving them random names that's don't specifically reference a princess! That might try to re-release Cinderella as "Shoe," just to see if they can move more Cindy merch among boys.

 

[ford91exploder]

That's a distinct possibility.

I think that is probably the case, the rest of ESPN sports is just not that compelling, die-hard fans would disagree but the casual sports fan probably does not watch much of the other content.

 

[71jason]

But did she look like card walker Disney or pressler Disney?

Monorail bar... That's like way off the beaten path...

She was cute--not $400/hour cute, but cute. And can't think of a better place to meet dads/convention-goers with money enjoying a bit of alone time.

 

[wm49rs]

Yes, clearly they will be at Comcast's mercy... in 2022.

If I remember correctly, the deal was a long-term one to avoid unnecessary....complications, if you will. Like WDW/Universal, it seems to be somewhat of a symbiotic relationship.

 

[ford91exploder]

Yes, clearly they will be at Comcast's mercy... in 2022.



I know less about sports than anybody. But I know cable providers need ESPN to be relevant. Disney knows this too.

A contract is a contract as long as you don't stand to gain more via litigation.

 

[71jason]

Imagine if other boards decided to come over here and start digging up quotes to post someplace...man, they'd have a field day with some of the nutjobs here.

That actually happens on Twitter all the time.

 

[ford91exploder]

i don't believe that was the intention. personally, as someone who doesn't have the time or inclination to follow these people on twitter, i found it interesting to get a snapshot of what a disney socialer's tweets are like. i believe spirit's intention was to unveil just how deep an influence a brand addiction and an incredibly effective social media strategy like disney's can have on people's day-to-day thoughts and interactions. but, it seems like most missed the point. can't say i'm surprised.

anywhoooo, something funny happened last month. i went on vacation outside the country to a place with no pixie dust. somehow, i came back relaxed and happy. huh...how 'bout that.

Is it not amazing how that happens, I'm going to a lodge on the Maine coast which has no Phone/Internet/TV/MM+ (well there IS a single phone in the main hall of the lodge) And I will be able to relax and just enjoy the scenery and a few good books.

 

[Travel Junkie]

I really wish that of some of my friends too.... I wish they would realize that Europe > World Showcase, that Africa > Animal Kingdom, that there's a huge wide open America right here for the taking and the seeing and experiencing. That there is food way beyond what is served at these so-called high end restaurants.... (Its called mortons, even if it is a chain)... that there is a real brown derby.

There's a great big world out there to explore.... and I wish some of my friends would realize it.

With so many buildings and lands in Disney parks inspired or copied from real places, you think it would inspire people to visit the real places and not be content with a scaled down model of it.

 

[flynnibus]

From Nov 2010:

“Films and genres do run a course,” Pixar Animation Studios chief Ed Catmull, who along with director John Lasseter oversees Disney Animation, told the LA Times. “They may come back later because someone has a fresh take on it … but we don’t have any other musicals or fairy tales lined up.”

Well two things... one.. that is the film unit, not TWDC as a whole (original quote).

Two, that statement appears to be very much a snapshot in time and could easily just be referring to 'what is currently scheduled' - not that they were leaving that 'business' (again.. from original quote). The quote even speaks to that saying things come and go. Tangled was just coming out.. and the release pipeline was still very much in flux. Snow Queen had been in development, but supposedly stopped earlier in 2010
http://www.blueskydisney.com/2010/02/killing-of-queen-by-princess.html
But then again just 6mons after that quote, supposedly Snow Queen is back in development
http://www.blueskydisney.com/2011/07/untitled-road.html

And see Ed C's response to the LA times article cited here
http://articles.latimes.com/2010/nov/21/entertainment/la-et-1121-tangled-20101121

 

[71jason]

With so many buildings and lands in Disney parks inspired or copied from real places, you think it would inspire people to visit the real places and not be content with a scaled down model of it.

Same reason Disney marathons are so ridiculously successful (and, superior business model aside, why DCL was able to break into and dominate the cruise industry in just a few years)--people feel "safe" with Disney. They'll do things with Disney, such as sample new foods, they wouldn't think of doing elsewhere.

 

[PeterAlt]

For one because the merger won't give Comcast a monopoly. There are alternatives like Dish which Disney just signed a win-win deal with that will allow Dish subscribers to access Disney-provided content on the internet and mobile devices.

You think Comcast would deny its subscribers ESPN, ABC and the Disney Channel to strong-arm the company? I'm sure they will play hardball. That's the name of the game. But they can't afford to shoot themselves in the foot with subscribers. This isn't like Dish blacking out AMC for a summer.

You should read a little about the merger. You'll find people arguing about how it is good/bad for consumers and competition. But you won't find one person worrying about how it would potentially impact The Walt Disney Company.

While they won't be a monopoly, it's enough control to dictate the survival of a network. If Comcast feels Disney is charging them too much, they will control enough subs to force Disney to the negotiating table. TW or Viacom can offer alternative programming at the price Comcast wants to pay. And you can forget about any planned Disney network carriage rate increases.

 

[flynnibus]

I'm not trying to be right here, but did u look it up

It's far more difficult for me to find the cite you are referencing vaguely than for you to simply cite it since you keep referring to it.

Just type in Disney gets out of fairytale or princess business and see what comes up on google. I'm reading articles about it right now. it even said frozen was being put on hold back in 2010 because it was a princess movie, Im glad it didn't stay on hold.

Well if you are reading it, is it difficult to cite it and link it?

If you are referring to articles stemming from this article from the LA Times in Nov 2010 - http://articles.latimes.com/2010/nov/21/entertainment/la-et-1121-tangled-20101121

You will find the conclusion about getting out of the genre was one of the author, not Disney. There are references about broadening what Disney is doing vs getting too narrowly focused, but not stuff to say TWDC is getting out of the genre - those are conclusions of the author, not statements of Disney.

Ed C. even addressed it in a follow-up

A headline in today’s LA Times erroneously reported that the Disney fairy tale is a thing of the past, but I feel it is important to set the record straight that they are alive and well at Disney and continue this week with Tangled, a contemporary retelling of a much loved story. We have a number of projects in development with new twists that audiences will be able to enjoy for many years to come. – Ed Catmull

http://www.forbes.com/sites/dorothypomerantz/2010/11/22/disney-getting-out-of-the-princess-business/

 

[lebeau]

Well two things... one.. that is the film unit, not TWDC as a whole (original quote).

Two, that statement appears to be very much a snapshot in time and could easily just be referring to 'what is currently scheduled' - not that they were leaving that 'business' (again.. from original quote). The quote even speaks to that saying things come and go. Tangled was just coming out.. and the release pipeline was still very much in flux. Snow Queen had been in development, but supposedly stopped earlier in 2010
http://www.blueskydisney.com/2010/02/killing-of-queen-by-princess.html
But then again just 6mons after that quote, supposedly Snow Queen is back in development
http://www.blueskydisney.com/2011/07/untitled-road.html

If that's a distinction you feel is worth making, sure. My point is just that the quote the OP was referencing actually happened. Post PatF, there was quite a bit of back-peddling from the genre that included renaming Tangled (and Frozen for that matter) and shifting the focus of New Fantasyland. To me, the original poster was more right than he was wrong.