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ford91exploder

Resident Curmudgeon
Ever watch Extreme Couponing? These are the same type of people except fixated on Disney.

I have watched that expression of OCD - however they at least get groceries for themselves and family more or less for 'free' if one assumes time has no value, What DO the Lifestylers get from their particular obsession - Serious question not being snarky.
 

ford91exploder

Resident Curmudgeon
That's what happened to me. I was sick of this pain, decked him in the face, and it was done with. I had another kid try to bully me and he was such a [fill in the blank], my friend, who was a guy that you wouldn't want to mess with, let the bully know pretty firmly that if he messed with me at all, he'd end up in the dumpster. Never heard a peep from the bully kid again.

At our kids' school, if a kid retaliates, he or she gets in more trouble than the bully. <FACEPALM>

Basically the same experience here, Decked one bully in so doing got the respect of one of the school 'tough guys' the next bully got tossed at a bank of lockers, No more bullying ever.

These days the kid who retaliates would be expelled and the bullies would continue with their work until someone snaps. the law of the playground IS the law of the jungle.
 

ford91exploder

Resident Curmudgeon
I perceive the multiple glossy mailings and the box with the flash drive etc as a giant waste of money myself. I am certainly not plugging that thing into my computer however. Maybe someone else's so I can wipe it an reuse it. These shiny trinkets sure do seem to give a different message than my stockholder materials.

You mean boot it on a Linux LiveCD box with no hard drive and do a secure erase, Marketing drones are insane if they think I'm going to plug in a flash drive on my PC
 

ParentsOf4

Well-Known Member
It seems like they purchased tickets prior to the price increase and then when they tried to upgrade the tickets they were told that they needed to pay the difference for the price increase (the cost to bring it to the gate price) in addition to the upgrade.

Without seeing the tickets we can't be 100% certain what or why they were told this. However two years ago they discontinued the practice of price bridging multi-day/Magic Your Way tickets in regards to ticket price increases. They still however honor certificates for tickets and Disney will eat the cost on activating those. I think All Ears missed the memo on that.
Last summer, I helped a family acquaintance add days to tickets they had purchased through Disney back in 2010. We did this without incident at Guest Relations near the World Showcase entrance. My acquaintance was required to pay only the difference between the current price of the ticket and the price of the extra days.

Is your comment intended to apply to tickets only purchased through ticket resellers?

In addition, does what you wrote conflict with what @Mr Bill posted?

I'm trying to reconcile how All Ears can report one thing after speaking with a ticketing supervisor, @lentesta another, and you a third.

I'm wondering if we are talking about the same thing or simply things that are closely related but not identical.

Thanks in advance for any further clarification.
 

stlphil

Well-Known Member
Even more nickel-and-diming. This from allears.net:

Last week, after the All Ears Newsletter had been mailed, we became aware of an unannounced change in Disney's policy regarding tickets that were purchased from non-Disney sources. Several guests reported that when they attempted to add a day to their Magic your Way ticket that was purchased from a non-Disney source, they were refused and told that they would have to spend more than $100 for a single day ticket. Several tried at both their resort concierge and at a guest relations window and were told the same thing.

We called the Disney Ticketing office and and spoke to a supervisor. We were told that commencing with last week's price increase "3rd party tickets can no longer be upgraded to passes at a pro-rated rate, have days added, or have options added at a discount." A different call to a second Disney source confirmed it but added that this does not affect AAA.

On the basis of that, we changed our ticket FAQ to reflect the new policy. More refinement of the policy will likely become known as time passes. We will keep watching the situation and listening to our readers' comments about any problems or successes they have had in this area. - March 3, 2014​

And who thought things were going to change under George "The Fall Guy" Kalogridis? :(
This new policy is just stupidity born of arrogance. Instead of gaining the little bit of extra revenue "lost" (in TDO's mind) to the third parties, the far more likely outcome is that people will still use the third parties but just won't upgrade their tickets. Which means no revenue from the ticket upgrade, no additional days in a park to eat and buy stuff. And less incentive to only stay on property.

From personal experience, on our last trip on a whim we updated our tickets for an extra day in the parks. No way that happens now, and we still wouldn't have bought that extra day in advance.

And if this is the first shot in an attempt to cut out the third parties completely, well if that happens this is one family that just won't go nearly as often.

Just stupid.
 

RSoxNo1

Well-Known Member
Are you serious?

And why has no one explained why Disney needs to send flash drives to guests to begin with? I am sure everyone isn't glued to the CNN 'coverage' of the 'situation' in Ukraine.
I'm definitely serious. It was a mad magazine type fold out thing that mentioned a flash drive but I did not receive one. We threw out the cardboard cutout.
 

RSoxNo1

Well-Known Member
Even more nickel-and-diming. This from allears.net:

Last week, after the All Ears Newsletter had been mailed, we became aware of an unannounced change in Disney's policy regarding tickets that were purchased from non-Disney sources. Several guests reported that when they attempted to add a day to their Magic your Way ticket that was purchased from a non-Disney source, they were refused and told that they would have to spend more than $100 for a single day ticket. Several tried at both their resort concierge and at a guest relations window and were told the same thing.

We called the Disney Ticketing office and and spoke to a supervisor. We were told that commencing with last week's price increase "3rd party tickets can no longer be upgraded to passes at a pro-rated rate, have days added, or have options added at a discount." A different call to a second Disney source confirmed it but added that this does not affect AAA.

On the basis of that, we changed our ticket FAQ to reflect the new policy. More refinement of the policy will likely become known as time passes. We will keep watching the situation and listening to our readers' comments about any problems or successes they have had in this area. - March 3, 2014​

And who thought things were going to change under George "The Fall Guy" Kalogridis? :(
Wow, that will help get them that 11%.
 

RSoxNo1

Well-Known Member
It does make you wonder.

Look at the materials used. The box, the characters, the individualized fridge magnets ... the 30-plus page glossy booklet (take a look at what they give shareholders now ... ) ... there is one helluva cost invested in making this look good. Beyond the incessant Lumiere commercials inviting me to be their guinea pig.

Why is NGE being run as 'too big to fail'? What does it mean?
Just a theory...
http://www.hbo.com/movies/too-big-to-fail#/
 

asianway

Well-Known Member
I have watched that expression of OCD - however they at least get groceries for themselves and family more or less for 'free' if one assumes time has no value, What DO the Lifestylers get from their particular obsession - Serious question not being snarky.
I watched one the other day where a teen boy had a multi year supply of feminine hygiene so in that respect he exchanged his time for nothing.
 

PeterAlt

Well-Known Member
I'm watching Labrynth (1986), directed by Jim Henson. I'm noticing all these small cute creative details every where. The death of Jim Henson is such a loss of extremes that cannot be measured! You don't see this level of detail in any of the current Muppet projects. If anyone has some free time, I advise that you take a close look at what was planned for Muppets Studio at DHS, which was put together under Henson's creative supervision but never came to fruition because of Henson's untimely death and the battles that would follow between the Henson family and Eisner, who rightly claimed that the Henson Company was no longer worth the agreed upon price with Jim no longer alive. Also, be sure to pay Jim tribute next time you're at DHS by touching his palm print!

EDIT - Did you know that Jim died shortly after he directed the Muppet 3D movie? They had to edit it and do all the post production work on it without him.
 
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lentesta

Premium Member
I believe @lentesta said on the most recent Parkscope podcast that he had checked with UT and one other reseller and to their knowledge the story wasn't true.

Ah, so I got further info from UT on Tuesday. Apparently Disney Mgmt had not told Disney's UT rep about the changes by end of day Monday.

The policy affects people who buy a ticket before a price increase.

If you want to upgrade a pre-increase ticket, after Disney raises its prices, the new rule is that you have to pay the difference between the old ticket and the new ticket first, then do the upgrade.

For example, if you buy a 5-day ticket for $350, then the price goes up to $370, then you want to upgrade to a 7-day ticket, you'd pay $20 for the difference between the old price and new price of your current ticket, then on top of that you'll pay whatever the current incremental difference is between the 5- and 7-day tickets.

No one I've spoken to knows whether Disney will apply this logic to their own tickets. So far I've only heard it for 3rd party tickets.

Disney seems to be aiming the policy at people who're buying one of the 3rd party, 4-6 day tickets with no expiration, then upgrading to 8,9, or 10 days on their next trip. I've heard from UT and Official Ticket Center folks who say this is a small fraction of their overall business.

I'm surprised about a couple of things:
  1. This seems like an arcane policy change that confuses a lot more people than it affects.
  2. If Disney doesn't have the policy for its own tickets, it's the beginning of Disney putting the squeeze on 3rd party wholesalers. That's not good for consumers.
  3. I don't think there's any way we're going to see ticket booth CMs enforce this policy consistently, without a computer system to help out.
Sorry for the confusion on my initial comments.
 

lentesta

Premium Member
Last summer, I helped a family acquaintance add days to tickets they had purchased through Disney back in 2010. We did this without incident at Guest Relations near the World Showcase entrance. My acquaintance was required to pay only the difference between the current price of the ticket and the price of the extra days.

:

I'm trying to reconcile how All Ears can report one thing after speaking with a ticketing supervisor, @lentesta another, and you a third.

:

My original info from the weekend was wrong. Just posted an update.
 

PeterAlt

Well-Known Member
I woke up this morning with a thought. What if Disney responds to Comcast's Time Warner Cable merger by buying the other half of Time Warner - the studios, the channels, HBO, CNN, DC Comics, Time-Life, Sports Illustrated, etc. That much content in their control would be a powerhouse a merged Comcast/TWC would find difficult to strong arm unfair deals with.

EDIT - If Comcast-TWC is approved by regulators, I see no reason why a Disney-TW merger couldn't get approved. Both would be equally domineering in market scope. Just think of this - ESPN and CNN just "feels" like they should share the same parent company. Or how ESPN and Sports Illustrated can gain synergy from each other. Or the new ventures a DC Comics and Marvel combined could bring, such as the creation of a Super Heroes Channel! The combination of Warner Bros and the Disney studios would secure the company's #1 position in studio rankings...

Most importantly, it would secure Disney content on premium networks, such as HBO and Cinemax.

They would probably need to sell off ownership of Six Flags, or Six Flags parks might benefit by getting an Imagineered overhaul and transition into regional mini-Disney kingdoms.
 
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NearTheEars

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Ah, so I got further info from UT on Tuesday. Apparently Disney Mgmt had not told Disney's UT rep about the changes by end of day Monday.

The policy affects people who buy a ticket before a price increase.

If you want to upgrade a pre-increase ticket, after Disney raises its prices, the new rule is that you have to pay the difference between the old ticket and the new ticket first, then do the upgrade.

For example, if you buy a 5-day ticket for $350, then the price goes up to $370, then you want to upgrade to a 7-day ticket, you'd pay $20 for the difference between the old price and new price of your current ticket, then on top of that you'll pay whatever the current incremental difference is between the 5- and 7-day tickets.

No one I've spoken to knows whether Disney will apply this logic to their own tickets. So far I've only heard it for 3rd party tickets.

Disney seems to be aiming the policy at people who're buying one of the 3rd party, 4-6 day tickets with no expiration, then upgrading to 8,9, or 10 days on their next trip. I've heard from UT and Official Ticket Center folks who say this is a small fraction of their overall business.

I'm surprised about a couple of things:
  1. This seems like an arcane policy change that confuses a lot more people than it affects.
  2. If Disney doesn't have the policy for its own tickets, it's the beginning of Disney putting the squeeze on 3rd party wholesalers. That's not good for consumers.
  3. I don't think there's any way we're going to see ticket booth CMs enforce this policy consistently, without a computer system to help out.
Sorry for the confusion on my initial comments.

How do the 3rd party guys make a profit on tickets? I would assume Disney isn't giving them a discount right?
 

ParentsOf4

Well-Known Member
Ah, so I got further info from UT on Tuesday. Apparently Disney Mgmt had not told Disney's UT rep about the changes by end of day Monday.

The policy affects people who buy a ticket before a price increase.

If you want to upgrade a pre-increase ticket, after Disney raises its prices, the new rule is that you have to pay the difference between the old ticket and the new ticket first, then do the upgrade.

For example, if you buy a 5-day ticket for $350, then the price goes up to $370, then you want to upgrade to a 7-day ticket, you'd pay $20 for the difference between the old price and new price of your current ticket, then on top of that you'll pay whatever the current incremental difference is between the 5- and 7-day tickets.

No one I've spoken to knows whether Disney will apply this logic to their own tickets. So far I've only heard it for 3rd party tickets.

Disney seems to be aiming the policy at people who're buying one of the 3rd party, 4-6 day tickets with no expiration, then upgrading to 8,9, or 10 days on their next trip. I've heard from UT and Official Ticket Center folks who say this is a small fraction of their overall business.

I'm surprised about a couple of things:
  1. This seems like an arcane policy change that confuses a lot more people than it affects.
  2. If Disney doesn't have the policy for its own tickets, it's the beginning of Disney putting the squeeze on 3rd party wholesalers. That's not good for consumers.
  3. I don't think there's any way we're going to see ticket booth CMs enforce this policy consistently, without a computer system to help out.
Sorry for the confusion on my initial comments.
So, in a nutshell, Disney continues to focus an inordinate amount of effort looking for new ways to squeeze pennies out of “guests”.

Gee, I really do miss the old WDW. :(
 

NowInc

Well-Known Member
Between this and Andrew Millstein's interview in The Hollywood Reporter, this is the second time I've heard that Disney Animation is made up of 800 people.

Is it just me or does that seem low? Has CGI really streamlined animation or have their ranks been decimated? Doesn't TDA have more people than that? How can that be, when TDA isn't responsible for creating a product?

Its actually lower when 2D animation is involved, as a LOT of it gets outsourced (tweeners mostly). 800 people is still a decent sized studio. Pixar is way bigger, HOWEVER pixar also are software developers, not just animators.
 

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