The Spirited Sixth Sense ...

[GLaDOS]

Pardon my ignorance, I'm not really up on the tweets. What is the reputation of the tweeter? More or less than a bus driver? Just trying to gauge the proper level of anger I should have based on the potential level of truth here.

Very reliable.

 

[SJN1279]

'New attractions' can denote expansion, or replacement. The former is unecessary, because guests don't have the time. The latter though is what is happening. Intead of park expansion, WDW invests heavily in replacement, optimilisation and operational efficiency.

Exactly right. However New Fantasyland and Avatar were actual expansions. Universal and Disney typically replace old attractions with new ones, they don't actually expand.

 

[Goofyernmost]

I think he was referring to me originally. But I don't wish a back and forth on why obesity is a problem. The facts don't lie: unhealthy diets, massive consumption and sedentary lives. I am not morbidly obese, but have struggled with weight from time to time and I know how to lose weight and keep it off: make lifestyle changes. That won't help a small percentage, but it will help the VAST majority of obese folks. We all know it. We just want to make being morbidly obese socially acceptable. I won't join in that chow line.

And that is precisely why I left out any/all talk of obese people using their 'disability' to game Disney's system and not wait in lines with GAC and whatever it is called now.

It really doesn't surprise me that you feel that way. You are still judging people by your narrow definition of what constitutes an acceptable human being. It doesn't surprise me that you ridicule people that are different then you, you do that all the time (i.e. Rubes, Whores, lifestylers, etc.). What does surprise me due to the level of general intelligence that you do appear to possess that you cannot accept that none of this is any of your concern. What you can do, or can't do does not transport to other human beings. Do you know how many people have thyroid problems that have proven to put weight on people regardless of how hard they try and "struggle" with it? Do you care? I don't think you do because it's easier to just lump everyone into your disapproval module.

Yes, there are many out there that have issues whether they be physical or mental that keeps them the way they are, just as whatever internal drive you have keeps you the way you are. It's not that you feel that being obese isn't a problem for them, but, what I question is why do you feel it necessary to make fun of them when it shouldn't even enter your radar. What's up with that? You seem to have a lot going for you, at least as you tell us, so I have to wonder, why you feel so much insecurity that dumping on a specific group of people justifies your own lifestyle? I don't know! I do know that for myself and perhaps others, I cannot speak for them, every time you do stuff like that, especially when you have so many fanbois that I think are literally crazy glued to your butt cheeks, you lose a little credibility with me. I know that you don't care about that, but when you have the power that you seem to possess, I would think that being a little less hostile to your fellow human beings might be in order.

As for gaming GAC or any other thing, I am aware that lazy fat people can be pointed at as offenders, but, you know as well as I do that not all the offenders, in fact, I would venture a guess that not even the majority are the fat lazy people that you are referring too. They consist of every weight, age, and economic category you care to name. Even, or maybe especially, the top 1% that you are wanting so badly to be part of.

I am still trying to figure out what authority determines what is "socially acceptable, and what give society the right to even classify something as acceptable or not acceptable. Is it that we, in spite of the over-abundance of political correctness, still need something to hate?

 

[stevehousse]

We are still on this discussion, really? People r judgmental more than ever these days. Your not gonna change anyone's opinion on that subject, plain and simple. U want to blame someone, blame the makers of Photoshop for Americas scewed vision of what is and isn't acceptable in terms of body and size. This thread isn't for debating that...if u don't like what someone's opinion is, use the ignore feature...moving along!!!

In terms of new fantasyland and what didn't make the cut, te only things I am aware of are a bigger area with the boats outside LM, and and Alice in wonderland area. Was there anything else???

 

[flynnibus]

I haven't had time to spend here today, but just skimmed six pages and think @flynnibus actually got the dynamic quite right (be careful, though, he really enjoys being right!)

It's ok... I know someday you'll see the light and accept me as the oracle

 

[lebeau]

For the Marvel fanbois here, two stories from THR on upcoming projects:

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/why-guardians-galaxy-is-riskiest-681656

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/fox-chooses-fantastic-four-reboot-681868

I have to shock everyone here, but Guardians has piqued my interest. Maybe I'm just tired of the endless stream of films with characters I know, but I liked the look and feel of the trailer ...

How strange. I can't remember who it was, but about a month ago someone on here was fighting me tooth and nail claiming Fox was about to lose the rights to Fantastic Four. Amazingly, that person was not jt.

 

[flynnibus]

Absolutely. The question is really whether Disney is helping these folks by enabling them (to continue to act in a way that will lead to higher costs for all of us in society, a lower quality experience at WDW, and -- for the obese -- much greater chance of serious ailments and early death) ... or is it simply helping its bottom line?

Well.. like you said later in your post... I think all of this started as 'best intentions'. Disney being accommodating out of customer service motivations.. not "man... we gotta be sure we get all these whales!" (oh.. again!). But once that demographic becomes big enough, it does morph into it's own 'block' of customers that Disney now has to recognize and try to avoid setting off. The more invested these customers become, the more of them, and the better organized they come (through online communities, etc).. they become more vocal and more organized. In a weird sort of way.. it almost shadows organized labor..

The 'my autistic 8-year-old can't wait in any lines' deal got so played by cynical, immoral, simply bad people that it became a much more serious 'stealing soda' deal thanks to the 'net and Mommy Bloggers. Disney originally was absolutely trying to do the right thing for the right reason and it still bit them on their collective arses. ... I have no doubt that Disney was trying to do the right thing here again, but it has turned into catering to people who have a problem that probably at least 90 percent of them is simply a matter of addiction.

As they say... 'this is why we can't have nice things...' and why I'm shy about calling people out who try to skirt the graces granted by a company, or use lame excuses like "they didn't SAY I couldn't". It's the selfish part of society that is out of control with a legal system that has forgotten common sense backing them up.

 

[flynnibus]

2.) Disney has opted to take advantage and enable these people as a group for financial gain. Why do you think there are Disney-printed lists of ECV vendors at the front desks of all its resorts (don't believe UNI has this)?

Well lets not misapply this fact. Remember Disney recently went through and tried to regulate who could do ECV rental pickup/dropoff there on property. When Disney tries to filter who you can use.. they have to be able to tell you who is on the list or not.

I don't see such a paper as a nudging to use.. but as a way to answer who are the blessed providers.

 

[HenryMystic]

Exactly right. However New Fantasyland and Avatar were actual expansions. Universal and Disney typically replace old attractions with new ones, they don't actually expand.

Well, sort of.

New Fantasyland is mostly just making up for the loss of 20K which was there before.
Avatar is replacing Camp Minnie-Mickey.

It's really not much different than Diagon replacing Jaws or Transformers replacing SS44. They're all cases of better use of land previously used.

Everest was an expansion. Sunset Blvd was an expansion. Hogwarts was an expansion.

 

[flynnibus]

And congrats to one of my favorite fanbois who had an American gold medalist visit his workplace today. I want to hear all about it!

Pfft.. my wive's boss has TWO gold medals suck on that

edit: fixed the medals

 

[ford91exploder]

It's ok... I know someday you'll see the light and accept me as the oracle

@flynnibus, You ARE the oracle it's just that people a) have not accepted this fact, b) they don't like what you have to say.

 

[ford91exploder]

Pfft.. my wive's boss has THREE gold medals suck on that

All from the same year?

 

[flynnibus]

Well, sort of.

New Fantasyland is mostly just making up for the loss of 20K which was there before.
Avatar is replacing Camp Minnie-Mickey.

It's really not much different than Diagon replacing Jaws or Transformers replacing SS44. They're all cases of better use of land previously used.

Everest was an expansion. Sunset Blvd was an expansion. Hogwarts was an expansion.

Funny.. you call NFL and Avatar replacing... but call Hogwarts an expansion? Hogwarts like NFL and Avatar... is a new set of attractions that expanded well beyond what the space was used for previously. Just like Avatar and NFL did.

CMM was nothing but a show and some M&G roofs... The scale of the before and after are nothing alike.

The basis of 'what the land was doing' is kind of trivial and pointless. It's all about products being offered to the customer. NFL expanded in space previously used for a playground and a temporary mickey attraction. 20k shouldn't even be in the discussion.. it was long dead and gone.

 

[flynnibus]

All from the same year?

Sorry, I had to look it up. It's 2 golds and a silver.. 1996 and 2000. There's a connection because my SIL also competed in Atlanta in 96.

 

[ford91exploder]

Well lets not misapply this fact. Remember Disney recently went through and tried to regulate who could do ECV rental pickup/dropoff there on property. When Disney tries to filter who you can use.. they have to be able to tell you who is on the list or not.

I don't see such a paper as a nudging to use.. but as a way to answer who are the blessed providers.

For the corporate comprehension challenged - who gave TDO the biggest bribe^H^H^H^H^H sorry 'resort access fee' DMIL uses a wheelchair periodically, so we always rent one.

Walker Mobility used to have good chairs and immediate service, The 'new' 'provider 'Apple Scooters' has junk and you have to bring chair to THEM if it has a problem yet another TDO service downgrade in the pursuit of nickles and dimes.

Yes there ARE costs with resort access, Background checks, bonding etc which TDO needs to be compensated for - but the NEW arrangement is simply WRONG now there is ONE 'blessed' provider with no incentive to give good service and they do not.

 

[ford91exploder]

Sorry, I had to look it up. It's 2 golds and a silver.. 1996 and 2000. There's a connection because my SIL also competed in Atlanta in 96.

Very cool!

 

[danlb_2000]

Well, sort of.

New Fantasyland is mostly just making up for the loss of 20K which was there before.
Avatar is replacing Camp Minnie-Mickey.

It's really not much different than Diagon replacing Jaws or Transformers replacing SS44. They're all cases of better use of land previously used.

Everest was an expansion. Sunset Blvd was an expansion. Hogwarts was an expansion.

But in the case of CMM, the content (the M&G's and FotLK) are being moved to new locations and just the land being re-used, so it does result in an increase in things to do in the park.

 

[flynnibus]

It really doesn't surprise me that you feel that way...

I'm sorry.. but your post is a great example of people getting offended by the words and not being able to get past that to read the message. You're hung up on the idea that how dare people call some people out over their weight that you can't get past that.

 

[spacemt354]

Well, sort of.

New Fantasyland is mostly just making up for the loss of 20K which was there before.
Avatar is replacing Camp Minnie-Mickey.

It's really not much different than Diagon replacing Jaws or Transformers replacing SS44. They're all cases of better use of land previously used.

Everest was an expansion. Sunset Blvd was an expansion. Hogwarts was an expansion.

Was Hogwarts really an expansion? I think I would lump that in with the others in the "replacement" category. Technically you could call NFL an expansion since the be our guest restaurant area was not used prior. However a majority of the area is replacement, so I would deem it as such. Id say Harry Potter was replacement as well, especially since two of the three rides just changed name and theme, but are the exact same thing that was there before.

 

[ford91exploder]

It really doesn't surprise me that you feel that way. You are still judging people by your narrow definition of what constitutes an acceptable human being. It doesn't surprise me that you ridicule people that are different then you, you do that all the time (i.e. Rubes, Whores, lifestylers, etc.). What does surprise me due to the level of general intelligence that you do appear to possess that you cannot accept that none of this is any of your concern. What you can do, or can't do does not transport to other human beings. Do you know how many people have thyroid problems that have proven to put weight on people regardless of how hard they try and "struggle" with it? Do you care? I don't think you do because it's easier to just lump everyone into your disapproval module.

Yes, there are many out there that have issues whether they be physical or mental that keeps them the way they are, just as whatever internal drive you have keeps you the way you are. It's not that you feel that being obese isn't a problem for them, but, what I question is why do you feel it necessary to make fun of them when it shouldn't even enter your radar. What's up with that? You seem to have a lot going for you, at least as you tell us, so I have to wonder, why you feel so much insecurity that dumping on a specific group of people justifies your own lifestyle? I don't know! I do know that for myself and perhaps others, I cannot speak for them, every time you do stuff like that, especially when you have so many fanbois that I think are literally crazy glued to your butt cheeks, you lose a little credibility with me. I know that you don't care about that, but when you have the power that you seem to possess, I would think that being a little less hostile to your fellow human beings might be in order.

As for gaming GAC or any other thing, I am aware that lazy fat people can be pointed at as offenders, but, you know as well as I do that not all the offenders, in fact, I would venture a guess that not even the majority are the fat lazy people that you are referring too. They consist of every weight, age, and economic category you care to name. Even, or maybe especially, the top 1% that you are wanting so badly to be part of.

I am still trying to figure out what authority determines what is "socially acceptable, and what give society the right to even classify something as acceptable or not acceptable. Is it that we, in spite of the over-abundance of political correctness, still need something to hate?

That being said, because of a POLITICAL decision to protect sugar producers in the US, Sugar costs in the US 2-5 times what it does in the rest of the world.

As a response food producers replaced Sugar with HFCS which is cheap. As a result Americans grew fatter because the body does not have Fructose receptors as it does for Glucose, Fructose is metabolized to Glucose and the excess is stored as fat.

I work with teams from India and China and they periodically visit and they always comment how they GAIN weight in the US with no changes in their dietary habits.

Yes American's are notoriously bad at exercise and to a degree dietary choices but it's also the composition of the mass produced food most of us eat which makes us fatter than we should be as opposed to foods with normal sweeteners which the body is adapted to over millienia, My preferred sweeteners are Honey (from local beekepers), Maple Syrup, Molasses and Sugar.

So once again USG policy takes a small problem and through misguided solutions managed to turn a small economic issue into the most pressing public health issue of the day, BRILLIANT (NOT).