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[twebber55]

But in the case of CMM, the content (the M&G's and FotLK) are being moved to new locations and just the land being re-used, so it does result in an increase in things to do in the park.

exactly... Content (meet and greets and FOLK) from CMM is staying in the park

 

[ford91exploder]

I really, really regret mentioning that offhandedly. I am off to bed so really don't want to get into a discussion.

Short and long of it is, toxic effects like you mentioned would require one to consume an inordinate amount of aspartame. Everything is toxic with the right dose (yes even water!). Of course I'm not going to trump about how water will kill you, clearly pick water as the healthiest choice. Same goes for aspartame in a sense. It's a cost-benefit that one must weigh. Morbid obesity from excessive calorie intake is going to kill you far faster than aspartame.

I think I aggravated you with my Devil comment, but I will concede it is the lesser of two evils, that's where I was headed.

The moral of the story is don't trust two people jabbering on a WDW message board (I mean me as well).

Everyone should do their own research, which should always involve speaking to experts/physicians, not google searching for whatever someone has posted to the internet. It's full of terrible misinformation.

THIS

Also when looking at the 'Toxin of the week' look at its LD/50 numbers this number is how much of said toxin is required to kill 50 percent of a population.

As an example Water's LD/50 is 90,000mg per Kg of body weight.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1770067/


For more examples

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Median_lethal_dose

 

[HenryMystic]

I knew that I shouldn't have included Hogwarts, but I did because it's the only Universal example I could think of where they actually used an expansion plot. (it was originally for Jurassic Park) Now that I think about it, Men In Black was an expansion.

And I knew people wouldn't be able to differentiate between Hogwarts and Hogsmeade. But oh well. Hogsmeade wasn't an expansion. I don't and wouldn't dispute that.

 

[flynnibus]

And I knew people wouldn't be able to differentiate between Hogwarts and Hogsmeade. But oh well. Hogsmeade wasn't an expansion. I don't and wouldn't dispute that.

But that's splitting hairs. You can't go building by building within a project rolled out as a cohesive unit.

 

[BrianLo]

Do you know how many people have thyroid problems that have proven to put weight on people regardless of how hard they try and "struggle" with it? Do you care?

I care! Why is someone struggling with hypothyroid and not seeing anyone about it?

They need to see an endocrinologist. They'll inevitably get levothyroxine and correct the symptoms (including water retention, edema and decreased basal metabolism that is contributing to the 'weight' gain). A lot of the excess weight (which is water) will come off once you correct their free thyroxine levels.

There is no reason someone should be struggling with this their whole life.

 

[TalkingHead]

But that's splitting hairs. You can't go building by building within a project rolled out as a cohesive unit.

Why can't you? Forbidden Journey added another E-ticket to the park -- why shouldn't that be counted as an addition? It didn't replace anything.

 

[Lord_Vader]

And no, "Diet" Coke is not all that much better for you.

Diet Coke vs. Coke... A choice between cancer and diabetes.

And before anyone says anything, I drink too much Coke Zero but I also drink four-six bottles of water a day.

 

[Pumbas Nakasak]

News flash you are all going to die, why not just enjoy the ride however brief.

 

[flynnibus]

Why can't you? Forbidden Journey added another E-ticket to the park -- why shouldn't that be counted as an addition? It didn't replace anything.

Because you get into stupid arguments like...

WWoHP isn't really an expansion.. because when you look at it.. there were 3 vending carts that were there before... the bathrooms were already there.. blah blah blah.

There is no point in trying to nit pick at levels below what is really relevant. They didn't build hogsmeade independently of the castle.. they came as a package. So why bother trying to qualify the build independently?

The only thing that matters is what is offered to the guest. Did those offerings expand? Yes, then put down the petty stuff and just accept it's 'more than before'.

It's a petty argument really.

 

[doctornick]

But in the case of CMM, the content (the M&G's and FotLK) are being moved to new locations and just the land being re-used, so it does result in an increase in things to do in the park.

I was going to point that out too. And in terms of footprint of space, the amount of "on stage" space being added to Africa for the FOTLK theater is as big as CMM anyway. So, the next amount of guest land being added to DAK is certainly an expansion.

One thing, though you could argue that we did lose the Pocahontas show (though it has been a while, like the 20K replacement argument). Still, that's Pocahontas show --> 2 rides (and possible other "walk around" features to Pandora) so it is still a significant expansion in my book.

 

[spacemt354]

I really, really regret mentioning that offhandedly. I am off to bed so really don't want to get into a discussion.

Short and long of it is, toxic effects like you mentioned would require one to consume an inordinate amount of aspartame. Everything is toxic with the right dose (yes even water!). Of course I'm not going to trump about how water will kill you, clearly pick water as the healthiest choice. Same goes for aspartame in a sense. It's a cost-benefit that one must weigh. Morbid obesity from excessive calorie intake is going to kill you far faster than aspartame.

I think I aggravated you with my Devil comment, but I will concede it is the lesser of two evils, that's where I was headed.

The moral of the story is don't trust two people jabbering on a WDW message board (I mean me as well).

Everyone should do their own research, which should always involve speaking to experts/physicians, not google searching for whatever someone has posted to the internet. It's full of terrible misinformation.

Couldn't agree more with the last part. If someone on a Disney site starts throwing out medical jargon you disagree with..don't do google searches to try and prove the information wrong. Consult your own trustworthy sources, such as your physcian or other medical resources that are valid (not webmd either).

I'd love to talk about this stuff all day. but if it's going to be offensive and go from debate to argument, then there's no point. And just to back myself up and to at least offer support to @BrianLo he does know what he's talking about. But don't take my word for it, do the research on the topic yourself. As he said he is a medical student and as for myself I'm a neurobiology major in college (3rd year) and have shadowed at Boston children's hospital as well as volunteered at Massachusetts general hospital. I don't know everything, I'll be the first to admit that and certainly there's a long way to go to accomplish my goals of becoming a physician. However I had first hand experience with the topic and offered my insight, for whatever it's worth. Id say it's in everyone's best interest to just drop the subject.

 

[Hakunamatata]

That being said, because of a POLITICAL decision to protect sugar producers in the US, Sugar costs in the US 2-5 times what it does in the rest of the world.

As a response food producers replaced Sugar with HFCS which is cheap. As a result Americans grew fatter because the body does not have Fructose receptors as it does for Glucose, Fructose is metabolized to Glucose and the excess is stored as fat.

I work with teams from India and China and they periodically visit and they always comment how they GAIN weight in the US with no changes in their dietary habits.

Yes American's are notoriously bad at exercise and to a degree dietary choices but it's also the composition of the mass produced food most of us eat which makes us fatter than we should be as opposed to foods with normal sweeteners which the body is adapted to over millienia, My preferred sweeteners are Honey (from local beekepers), Maple Syrup, Molasses and Sugar.

So once again USG policy takes a small problem and through misguided solutions managed to turn a small economic issue into the most pressing public health issue of the day, BRILLIANT (NOT).

Good info. So trying to reduce HFCS intake could help of one has difficulty in weight loss. There is hope for me yet. Lol.

 

[Astro Blaster]

As someone who has gone to WDW since the early '90s and has browsed these threads without saying much for almost a year, I've found myself agreeing with most of what @WDW1974 says. I still love WDW - yes, the BRAND does mean a lot to me - but I do realize that it could be so much better.

That being said, what piece of news would make you the most confident in the present and future of the resort? If you were in charge, what changes would you institute on your first day?

 

[CDavid]

Exactly right. However New Fantasyland and Avatar were actual expansions. Universal and Disney typically replace old attractions with new ones, they don't actually expand.

Actually, Disney has a long history of expansion dating back to 1971, and during the 90's at least, it was pretty rapid growth (maybe too rapid, but that's another topic). The three new theme parks and two additional water parks aside, every park has regularly added attractions where none existed previously. Until more recently, that is - when new attractions in Walt Disney World just sort of almost stopped.

None of the Magic Kingdom mountains were there on opening day. The entire Sunset Boulevard section of the Studios is an actual addition, while LMA didn't directly replace a previous attraction. Expedition Everest was an addition to Animal Kingdom. Future World added three pavilions since opening, while World Showcase has two more countries (even if such expansion wasn't within the lifetime of many guests visiting the park...) with numerous expansion pads still available.

The sad tale of Epcot Center is a bad example of neglect and mismanagement, but as even its history suggests, Disney used to regularly expand the parks.

 

[Cesar R M]

That being said, because of a POLITICAL decision to protect sugar producers in the US, Sugar costs in the US 2-5 times what it does in the rest of the world.

As a response food producers replaced Sugar with HFCS which is cheap. As a result Americans grew fatter because the body does not have Fructose receptors as it does for Glucose, Fructose is metabolized to Glucose and the excess is stored as fat.

I work with teams from India and China and they periodically visit and they always comment how they GAIN weight in the US with no changes in their dietary habits.

Yes American's are notoriously bad at exercise and to a degree dietary choices but it's also the composition of the mass produced food most of us eat which makes us fatter than we should be as opposed to foods with normal sweeteners which the body is adapted to over millienia, My preferred sweeteners are Honey (from local beekepers), Maple Syrup, Molasses and Sugar.

So once again USG policy takes a small problem and through misguided solutions managed to turn a small economic issue into the most pressing public health issue of the day, BRILLIANT (NOT).

Blaming everything on HFCS is not the right thing imho.
Mexico already is on top of the USA in obesity, and HFCS is hardly used.
Problem is, Fast food is everywhere, Mexicans (despite the BS stereotype of "mexicans are lazy") Work longer and earn less, so they have replaced the usual mexican food with fast mexican food and fast american food for speed and taste purposes.
skyrocketing the obesity... Also Mexico as the highest SODA consumer per capita (some families average 4 Liters of Coke PER DAY )
But Mexico still uses Sugar, so the HFCS is not the fault in the equation here.

Couldn't agree more with the last part. If someone on a Disney site starts throwing out medical jargon you disagree with..don't do google searches to try and prove the information wrong. Consult your own trustworthy sources, such as your physcian or other medical resources that are valid (not webmd either).

I'd love to talk about this stuff all day. but if it's going to be offensive and go from debate to argument, then there's no point. And just to back myself up and to at least offer support to @BrianLo he does know what he's talking about. But don't take my word for it, do the research on the topic yourself. As he said he is a medical student and as for myself I'm a neurobiology major in college (3rd year) and have shadowed at Boston children's hospital as well as volunteered at Massachusetts general hospital. I don't know everything, I'll be the first to admit that and certainly there's a long way to go to accomplish my goals of becoming a physician. However I had first hand experience with the topic and offered my insight, for whatever it's worth. Id say it's in everyone's best interest to just drop the subject.

In other news..
LIVING IS THE PRIMARY CAUSE OF DEATH. XD

 

[EPCOTCenterLover]

Recall that the original plan for a New Fantasyland had a pricetag of close to a billion dollars and would have encompassed the entire land. We got the value engineered version.

Can you tell us more about the non valued engineered plans? What did we not get?

 

[ford91exploder]

As someone who has gone to WDW since the early '90s and has browsed these threads without saying much for almost a year, I've found myself agreeing with most of what @WDW1974 says. I still love WDW - yes, the BRAND does mean a lot to me - but I do realize that it could be so much better.

That being said, what piece of news would make you the most confident in the present and future of the resort? If you were in charge, what changes would you institute on your first day?

On my FIRST day

1 - Get rid of anyone associated with Eisner's 'Strategic Planning' group
2 - S---can the 'One Disney' garbage
3 - Establish 'Office Hours' where CM's could meet with me one on one to discuss concerns
4 - Eliminate current executive bonus system and implement a profit sharing plan
5 - Halt all NEW DVC construction.
6 - Reduce room prices
7 - IMMEDIATELY schedule FULL refurbishments for signature attractions - Take the hit on attractions now for returns later even if it means slashing room prices
8 - Initiate plans to improve Dining and Resort experiences
9 - Eliminate MM+
10 - Start work on new on site perk with front line CM's taking the lead since they understand Guests BEST
11 - Require all executives to stay 1 week per year at WDW as a Guest.
12 - Require all executives to be in park 1 week per month as a front line CM

Makes for a long day - but doable.

 

[ford91exploder]

Blaming everything on HFCS is not the right thing imho.
Mexico already is on top of the USA in obesity, and HFCS is hardly used.
Problem is, Fast food is everywhere, Mexicans (despite the BS stereotype of "mexicans are lazy") Work longer and earn less, so they have replaced the usual mexican food with fast mexican food and fast american food for speed and taste purposes.
skyrocketing the obesity... Also Mexico as the highest SODA consumer per capita (some families average 4 Liters of Coke PER DAY )
But Mexico still uses Sugar, so the HFCS is not the fault in the equation here.



In other news..
LIVING IS THE PRIMARY CAUSE OF DEATH. XD

There is NO one cause

HFCS is the most prevalent in the US and people from other countries immediately begin gaining weight when they start eating the mass produced food even with no changes in diet other than replacing Indian/Chinese staples with US produced ones and the weight gain stops when they return home. In this case correlation probably does prove causation.

Mexico has other factors - including more genetic propensity which in times past was a survival factor, Samoans and other pacific islanders have similar genetic propensities.

 

[ford91exploder]

Good info. So trying to reduce HFCS intake could help of one has difficulty in weight loss. There is hope for me yet. Lol.

I've found that reducing HFCS has helped me keep extra pounds off, I was puzzled for years because always soft around middle and I kept reducing food intake but the belly would shrink VERY slowly,

Turns out it was the so called 'fruit juices' which I used to enjoy in the summer instead of soda. Now I read very carefully before purchasing. Now fruit juices are VERY carefully vetted before consumption and drink a lot more water.

Even Heinz Ketchup uses HFCS - However you can buy the Heinz Organic Ketchup which is the ORIGINAL recipe and it uses sugar instead of HFCS, Every little bit counts.

 

[lobelia]

That being said, what piece of news would make you the most confident in the present and future of the resort? If you were in charge, what changes would you institute on your first day?

I would petition for a budget for new attractions in Future World Epcot and Disney Hollywood Studios. I would add more entertainment in all areas. Like PUSH, which are intimate and interactive. Less Princess meet and greets. Characters that are able to roam and pop up. More training and accountability for CMs. The price point all around stinks. Rooms, food, merchandise. Last time we went we bought no merchandise. Capacity rates should be lowered. We went during spring break and I felt like I was being herded everywhere.