The Spirited Seventh Heaven ...

Goofyernmost

Goofyernmost

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ParentsOf4 said:
Now I really don't understand you.

Every change starts with one voice, with others joining in until the sound cannot be ignored.

Some times it takes years, even decades.

So, when you write "you and your pack of whiners should get through yours that no matter what you say, or how long you complain nothing, no matter how much influence you think one person has, is going to change it until it all comes to a head", how exactly is it supposed to "come to a head" if everyone remains silent?

Successful business don't wait for customers to leave before listening. Successful businesses listen to paying customers before they become former customers.

Corporate Disney would be wise to pay attention to what's being written, especially on threads such as these which contain some of WDW's most faithful customers.

When loyal customers start to complain in large enough numbers, it's time for change.

In WDW's case, the change doesn't have to be some earthshattering event like a 5th Gate. Sometimes the change is a bit more subtle, like ticket prices going up only 4% this year (instead of the 7% from the last 3 years), like Disney Dining Plan increasing 4.6% (instead of the 20% in 2012/2013), like Iger stating that an expanded Star Wars presence is coming to the parks, like credible rumors that the Yeti is finally going to get fixed.

Sometimes change is slow but it seems to me that corporate Disney is listening.
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I'm not saying that your wrong, but, I strongly feel that if they are listening, it isn't to us. We are to small a group to have any affect on any outcome. Just because they occasionally do something that was advocated on these boards doesn't mean that we were the convincing voice. There is such a thing as coincidence.

So my argument is we should all be able to have our own opinions. We should all be able to express them without being told how thick our heads are or that we are lifestylers, apologists and whatever little condescending name that we might be called. Also that we all should realize that in the large scope of reality, we are but a miniscule force in the universe. None of us have to accept what Disney dishes out, but, as long as we do (financially) nothing is going to change. Talk is cheap and without backup, completely irrelevant.

We as a group, no matter how loyal we are, are but a tiny fraction of the people that go to the place every year. It is that very loyalty, however, that makes it just a bunch of words with no consequence. We continue to go and spend money and by our own admission state that money is what Disney is all about. The message that gets out here is limited to a few people, a very few people. If I had the energy I'll bet that there are no more than 20 people that are verbally discontent of all the people that might read these boards. How do you expect a grassroots uprising when it isn't even a small lawn. It's a sparse growth of a few blades of grass on a vast desert.

Basically we are insignificant and we spend all our time either using name calling as a weapon against those that might not feel the same way or thinking that we have all the answers. It's an ego trip of the highest caliber, nothing more.
 
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doctornick

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Quinnmac000 said:
I wouldn't be surprised if its Toon Town that goes away.
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Maybe. Of the options that were guessed for DL, three seem plausible to me:

1. Toontown
2. Big Thunder Ranch
3. Pixie Hollow/Buzz

Matterhorn would be a massive outcry. Frontierland was a joke and would not be replaced. The diorama (esp Grand Canyon) seem plausible especially if combined with Red Rockets and Innoventions, but that's sorta what was already guessed for DL and Spirit said it was something different.

Personally, I was going to guess Buzz myself and combined it with Pixie Hollow would be a decent amount of space. Tomorrowland Terrace could be used for food (Mos Eisley cantina). Star Trader would become exclusively SW themed merch. This puts everything right next to Star Tours, so you have continuity with theming. You can still move Astro Orbitor to it's old elevated location to free up space (and can retheme it to SW if desired, like having them be X-wing fighters).

Losing Buzz and Pixie Hollow would definitely bother some people, but I think many of the vocal DL long term folks would be ok with it, especially compared to losing the subs. I think it fits the bill of WDW1974's comments well.

Big Thunder Ranch would not be a big loss, but it's not a large space. It brings up the question of what to do with Star Tours (move it? Two separate SW locations?).

Toontown works. It's isolated and larger than Big Thunder Ranch. I think there would be more vocal opposition to this, though, and you still have the Star Tours issue.
 
danv3

danv3

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WDW1974 said:
Finally, after being told repeatedly that DL's new night parade would ''differ substantially'' from HKDL's upcoming Paint the Night Parade, it would appear that they will be very, very, very similar.
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From a WDW fan perspective, I wish we'd be so lucky as to get a clone of a new parade than continue to endure MSEP in its current shape.
 
the.dreamfinder

the.dreamfinder

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PhotoDave219 said:
For the record, I am not starting or resurrected a "pandas to DAK" rumor. That's just not reasonable with current management.

I *AM* saying that giant panda's at DAK would bring a boatload of attendance & much needed revenue.

It won't happen tho.
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Based on the way Disney has treated the Central Government, they would be lucky if they got knockoff Pandas.
 
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71jason

71jason

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doctornick said:
I'm not saying that one or both Uni parks won't surpass a WDW park in attendance in the near future. And it obviously would be a big deal if it did. But comparing a ridership number for a single ride to the turnstile count for a park isn't particularly relevant to that.
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I actually agree with that last sentence. Compare with Hogsmeade when it opened, where FJ had 5-hour lines but the rest of the park was empty.

That said, been fed numbers from various sources--both Uni parks have, in average daily attendance, surpassed at least one WDW park this Summer. Probably two.
 
ford91exploder

ford91exploder

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The Empress Lilly said:
It is a fun little tidbit that is not at all misleading, only to people who use their fingers and toes to count stuff and so are left hopelessly confused for ten minutes while figuring out its meaning, only to mistake their confusion with that of the general reader.
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That's why people should take up the binary numbering system you only need to be able to count to 1...
 
John

John

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@Goofyernmost you know the players here, you know what this thread is about. Being nice as I can I think you should start your own thread and chat about all things Disney till your hearts desire. Because you call 74 out do you think that too will make a difference. But yet you take it upon yourself to do it. But you don't want him calling out Disney?......HUH? Its his opinion, its his thread. Cracks me up when people get there panties in a wad knowing what content exist here.
 
Cesar R M

Cesar R M

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WDW1974 said:
Spirited Thursday Musings:

For every individual, here or anywhere, that chooses to defend Disney's current model and practices and remind us all that the company is a business, realize this: in today's environment that y'all insist upon defending Walt Disney himself wouldn't be allowed to work for the company. He'd be thrown out on his .

Get that through your thick heads when you justify the Walmarting, the quarter to quarter mentality, the making Wall Street happy as Main Street USA continues its theme of Disney outlet mall gone bad, the rotting of wholesale areas, the neglect of others, the seven years of Disco Yeti etc. Get that YOU and your defending of this crap is why we all suffer with it.

Walt Disney wouldn't be allowed to be the visionary he was today and all of the toads who sit back and justify it are certainly part of the problem. More so than the Lifestylers and BRAND advocates and the DPB team.
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I agree, I honestly do not understand mentality. Walt build his success in doing QUALITY.
Companies nowadays seems to just want to give "bare minimum" to survive.. except a few gems there and there that are top of their games.


WDW1974 said:
So ... no one has sent me a note with a Lifestyler's review of the Four Seasons yet. What's wrong? Has no one stayed there yet?
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Let's be honest, can lifestylers even pay a four seasons visit?
 
Cesar R M

Cesar R M

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StageFrenzy said:
so red pandas?
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no... Samoyed dogs with painted fur.

or maybe this type of dog

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Cesar R M

Cesar R M

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PhotoDave219 said:
While we are discussing whether or not the mouse pays attention to what we say on these boards, I assure you that they do.
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I agree, some bloggers and leakers have a strong sway power and follower fanbases.

hence why Disney executives puts a lot of ads/money and push on "mommy bloggers" and well known "lifestylers".
Sort of a way to counter the real informed leakers/bloggers/fans.
 

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