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Cesar R M

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OK, so using those numbers and if it ran constantly for those days, which it didn't because some was the soft opening and there have been many stops for tweaking, that would amount to 21,600 per day times 38 days equals 820,000. That isn't a million. That was my question. How could it possibly be 1,000,000 in that short a time? If it was even close to the number that I put there, it still would be impressive, but, I cannot see that it ran all those days for 15 straight hours with no problems and no stops, and that there was a full train in each direction every time. A little over estimating I think.

It doesn't really matter because it is obviously a good attraction, but, I don't think that over blowing the numbers was necessary.

The "Disney By The Numbers" site states that 10 million people visited Magic Kingdom in less then 10 years. That's a little more then 1 million per year, per year not 38 days. It just seems a little high and doesn't compute in my mind. Must be the Harry Potter magic.
are you guys counting the days where it "soft opened" ? Ie, diagon was not yet open but HE was running nearly at capacity.
 

PhotoDave219

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I believe they are only counting from the grand opening but I'll try to confirm. Either way it meets or exceeds my earlier estimates.

I don't think anyone ever doubted that the ride handles 2-3000 people an hour per day.

What I take issue with as a journalist is you comparing that to attendance figures at a theme park. You took a statistic and intentionally put it in an misleading context. That kind of hyperbole does nothing other than detract from your other quality work.
 

WDW1974

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Original Poster
Spirited Thursday Musings:

For every individual, here or anywhere, that chooses to defend Disney's current model and practices and remind us all that the company is a business, realize this: in today's environment that y'all insist upon defending Walt Disney himself wouldn't be allowed to work for the company. He'd be thrown out on his .

Get that through your thick heads when you justify the Walmarting, the quarter to quarter mentality, the making Wall Street happy as Main Street USA continues its theme of Disney outlet mall gone bad, the rotting of wholesale areas, the neglect of others, the seven years of Disco Yeti etc. Get that YOU and your defending of this crap is why we all suffer with it.

Walt Disney wouldn't be allowed to be the visionary he was today and all of the toads who sit back and justify it are certainly part of the problem. More so than the Lifestylers and BRAND advocates and the DPB team.

Anyone who believes a Star Wars announcement is coming in the next 6-9 months needs to put the blue milk down and wake up to some serious reality.

Oh, very interesting responses on SW at DLR. One (more?) of you may have just nailed it. Here's a few hints: 1.) it isn't going to DCA; 2.) The subs look like they are totally safe in the current plan.

At the risk of having the Parkscope bois soil themselves again over a very incorrect anti-UNI bias they perceive from this Spirit, while having a million riders on the Hogwart's Express is impressive, I'm really not sure what it means in any big picture way beyond it is new and has been popular. I don't recall Disney (or anyone else) putting out a press release when they reached a certain number beyond park attendance. I can't wait to hear how this statement will be misinterpreted, but ridership on one ride being touted is sorta like the old days when McD's would place the number of hamburgers sold on its giant Golden Arches.

Congrats to UNI! But I care about the product, not how many people have experienced it.

All of these 'bold' studio moves by Marvel and Warner Bros over release dates for superhero films again shows how Hollywood is full of bandwagon jumpers. Does anyone seriously believe there is a never-ending appetite for these films? I don't ... and at $200 million a piece to start, plus another $175-250 million in marketing, when the market gets tired (and it will) having another five of these films in active production won't be a good thing.

Speaking of which, there was one part of Guardians of the Galaxy that I didn't like. The giant, overwrought finale of a battle in the sky over a densely populated cityscape. This is so beyond cliche and having it in every single Marvel film as well as Man of Steel and Star Trek Into Darkness is just way too much of a not very good in the first place thing.

So ... no one has sent me a note with a Lifestyler's review of the Four Seasons yet. What's wrong? Has no one stayed there yet?

There's a rumour going around that this site is about to have a columnist? Any truth to that @wdwmagic?

Was that the Frozen soundtrack for sale at the register of my Starbucks? Sadly, yes.

My pal @WDWFigment has asked what park would people most like to have locally if they could with his faves being TDS and DLP. I'm really not sure how to answer that as I have lived with DL/DCA/HKDL as local parks and loved dropping into all of them (yes, even DCA 1.0). I still think using theme parks as malls or deriding management's current mentality while sitting at a QSR and playing with your iPhone isn't exactly getting it anyway.

I know I have teased this, but I would still expect a MAJOR announcement on projects in Asia in the near future. If I knew exactly when, then I would say it, but I don't.

From what I have been told, the park that has suffered the most this summer in O-Town (other than SW, which is hurting) has been EPCOT as folks have chosen TPFKaTD-MGMS for their nighttime hopping for Frozen fireworks and Fantasmic. My very limited experience last month backs that up.

Finally, after being told repeatedly that DL's new night parade would ''differ substantially'' from HKDL's upcoming Paint the Night Parade, it would appear that they will be very, very, very similar.
 

Nubs70

Well-Known Member
Spirited Thursday Musings:

For every individual, here or anywhere, that chooses to defend Disney's current model and practices and remind us all that the company is a business, realize this: in today's environment that y'all insist upon defending Walt Disney himself wouldn't be allowed to work for the company. He'd be thrown out on his .

Get that through your thick heads when you justify the Walmarting, the quarter to quarter mentality, the making Wall Street happy as Main Street USA continues its theme of Disney outlet mall gone bad, the rotting of wholesale areas, the neglect of others, the seven years of Disco Yeti etc. Get that YOU and your defending of this crap is why we all suffer with it.

Walt Disney wouldn't be allowed to be the visionary he was today and all of the toads who sit back and justify it are certainly part of the problem. More so than the Lifestylers and BRAND advocates and the DPB team.

Anyone who believes a Star Wars announcement is coming in the next 6-9 months needs to put the blue milk down and wake up to some serious reality.

Oh, very interesting responses on SW at DLR. One (more?) of you may have just nailed it. Here's a few hints: 1.) it isn't going to DCA; 2.) The subs look like they are totally safe in the current plan.

At the risk of having the Parkscope bois soil themselves again over a very incorrect anti-UNI bias they perceive from this Spirit, while having a million riders on the Hogwart's Express is impressive, I'm really not sure what it means in any big picture way beyond it is new and has been popular. I don't recall Disney (or anyone else) putting out a press release when they reached a certain number beyond park attendance. I can't wait to hear how this statement will be misinterpreted, but ridership on one ride being touted is sorta like the old days when McD's would place the number of hamburgers sold on its giant Golden Arches.

Congrats to UNI! But I care about the product, not how many people have experienced it.

All of these 'bold' studio moves by Marvel and Warner Bros over release dates for superhero films again shows how Hollywood is full of bandwagon jumpers. Does anyone seriously believe there is a never-ending appetite for these films? I don't ... and at $200 million a piece to start, plus another $175-250 million in marketing, when the market gets tired (and it will) having another five of these films in active production won't be a good thing.

Speaking of which, there was one part of Guardians of the Galaxy that I didn't like. The giant, overwrought finale of a battle in the sky over a densely populated cityscape. This is so beyond cliche and having it in every single Marvel film as well as Man of Steel and Star Trek Into Darkness is just way too much of a not very good in the first place thing.

So ... no one has sent me a note with a Lifestyler's review of the Four Seasons yet. What's wrong? Has no one stayed there yet?

There's a rumour going around that this site is about to have a columnist? Any truth to that @wdwmagic?

Was that the Frozen soundtrack for sale at the register of my Starbucks? Sadly, yes.

My pal @WDWFigment has asked what park would people most like to have locally if they could with his faves being TDS and DLP. I'm really not sure how to answer that as I have lived with DL/DCA/HKDL as local parks and loved dropping into all of them (yes, even DCA 1.0). I still think using theme parks as malls or deriding management's current mentality while sitting at a QSR and playing with your iPhone isn't exactly getting it anyway.

I know I have teased this, but I would still expect a MAJOR announcement on projects in Asia in the near future. If I knew exactly when, then I would say it, but I don't.

From what I have been told, the park that has suffered the most this summer in O-Town (other than SW, which is hurting) has been EPCOT as folks have chosen TPFKaTD-MGMS for their nighttime hopping for Frozen fireworks and Fantasmic. My very limited experience last month backs that up.

Finally, after being told repeatedly that DL's new night parade would ''differ substantially'' from HKDL's upcoming Paint the Night Parade, it would appear that they will be very, very, very similar.
Walt would be out today. Would Edison have invented the lightbulb if he was working today?
 

Nland316

Well-Known Member
Oh, very interesting responses on SW at DLR. One (more?) of you may have just nailed it. Here's a few hints: 1.) it isn't going to DCA; 2.) The subs look like they are totally safe in the current plan.

Finally, after being told repeatedly that DL's new night parade would ''differ substantially'' from HKDL's upcoming Paint the Night Parade, it would appear that they will be very, very, very similar.
Omg all this teasing is making us insane! Toontown? Frontierland? Main Street? Lol. Spill the beans!

I hope the Paint the Night parade info is false! It'd be tragic.
 

Disneyhead'71

Well-Known Member
@Spirit re: Universal's press release today.

Yeah, Disney doesn't do this particular type of PR Press Release, but they have they own fair share of these types of releases. The point is to just keep the hype train rolling. They know that it will make the local news and blow up on the forums. They did the same thing when they sold the one millionth Butterbeer.

Plus it gives the Unitards a reason to shake thier *** singing Nana Nana Boo Boo!
 

djlaosc

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Oh, very interesting responses on SW at DLR. One (more?) of you may have just nailed it. Here's a few hints: 1.) it isn't going to DCA; 2.) The subs look like they are totally safe in the current plan.

So, here are all of the guesses that I could find in here, although I may have missed some of them...

  • Toontown
  • Big Thunder Ranch Area
  • Frontierland
  • Main Street USA
  • Pixie Hollow/Buzz Lightyear
  • Bugsland/Timon Parking Lot
  • Primeval World/Innoventions/Red Rockets
  • Matterhorn

I'm guessing the new place for Star Wars Land at Disneyland will be in Toontown. It makes sense because there is a lot of unused spaced there and most of the land consists of meet and greets and shops. Roger Rabbits Cartoon Spin could easily be moved to Hollywood land in dca. Gadgets go coaster could be easily taken out. They can also use the extra space behind Toontown where the Frontierland expansion was going to go.

$20 on Big Thunder Ranch area.

Obviously frontierland since Star Wars is really a western with space ships and nobody has mentioned it.

As long as we are tossing out random guesses/bets for Star Wars... I'll take Bugsland/remaining Timon lot please.

Pixie Hollow and Buzz Lightyear?

Pretty sure it's Main Street USA.

My guess on the "Existing Area Reworked for Star Wars that hasn't been mentioned online yet" : Primeval World.
Combine that with Innoventions and Red Rockets, and that's a lot of real estate.

I'm going to throw this guess out here for an area that hasn't been mentioned, which I don't want to be right, but, replacement of the Matterhorn? (although I guess that you might need more space than that...)


So, based on those, there are two ("one or more") guesses for Frontierland/Big Thunder Ranch/the plot that was earmarked for Oz/Lone Ranger, as well as Tomorrowland/Main Street USA (Primeval World, Innoventions, Redd Rockets, Buzz Lightyear, Main Street USA - Space Mountain was also mentioned somewhere), or Tomorrowland/Fantasyland (Matterhorn and Pixie Hollow).
 

skubersky

Active Member
I don't think anyone ever doubted that the ride handles 2-3000 people an hour per day.

What I take issue with as a journalist is you comparing that to attendance figures at a theme park. You took a statistic and intentionally put it in an misleading context. That kind of hyperbole does nothing other than detract from your other quality work.

I respect your criticism, and appreciate having readers keep me honest, but we'll have to agree to disagree as to whether I was being "intentionally misleading." The bottom line is that today's statistic supports the likelihood that one or both Uni parks will surpass a WDW park in attendance, which is a big deal for this market. I apologize if you didn't appreciate my way of expressing it, but I hope those 14 words didn't ruin the entire 750+ word piece for you.
 

PhotoDave219

Well-Known Member
I respect your criticism, and appreciate having readers keep me honest, but we'll have to agree to disagree as to whether I was being "intentionally misleading." The bottom line is that today's statistic supports the likelihood that one or both Uni parks will surpass a WDW park in attendance, which is a big deal for this market. I apologize if you didn't appreciate my way of expressing it, but I hope those 14 words didn't ruin the entire 750+ word piece for you.

Then I'd put that in your lede. You and I both know that's a bigger story than Universal pimping it's ridership, Frozen, or anything Seaworld is doing. Attendance at Universal passing a Disney park is huge and needs to be played that way.

As for the other stuff, I'll drop it. We're going to have to agree to disagree.
 

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