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[Next Big Thing]

Yes, it is the Two Day Passport. It's a good thing the Oriental Land Company is a not-for-profit charity and not a for-profit, publicly traded business like The Walt Disney Company.

God forbid anyone make money.

I agree with you for the most part, but that's a ludicrous point to try and make against TWDC. I get what you're saying, but the company has pretty much always been for profit.

Why do you start a movie studio and release movies to the public? To make money. Why do you open a theme park in California, based off of award winning animated films? To make money. Why do you have a television spot to promote your brand? To make money. Why do you fly across the east coast to look for places to build another Disneyland? TO MAKE MONEY.

Sure, TWDC has gotten greedy over the years, but don't try to pretend that the company hasn't always been for-profit.

 

[Next Big Thing]

No I really don't either… However for the rest of us who are not traveling and not coming into physical contact with ebola patients, Or those of us who don't touch other people… It's not exactly silly but just a small thought in the back of the head.

But between the NBC news crew that violated their self Corentine… These nurses treating the patient in Dallas without proper precautions, and then traveling afterwords? It's kind a messed up.

They need to get a handle on this before it turns into a panic. This has the potential to be pretty bad for the tourism and travel industries.

You can't blame the nurses for not having the proper equipment. From everything i've read, that was the hospitals fault. The nurses actually rose concerns about exposed parts of their body, yet the hospital pretty much just brush it off and said "here, have this medical tape".

 

[ParentsOf4]

God forbid anyone make money.

I agree with you for the most part, but that's a ludicrous point to try and make against TWDC. I get what you're saying, but the company has pretty much always been for profit.

Why do you start a movie studio and release movies to the public? To make money. Why do you open a theme park in California, based off of award winning animated films? To make money. Why do you have a television spot to promote your brand? To make money. Why do you fly across the east coast to look for places to build another Disneyland? TO MAKE MONEY.

Sure, TWDC has gotten greedy over the years, but don't try to pretend that the company hasn't always been for-profit.

I believe @lazyboy97o was being sarcastic:

Yes, it is the Two Day Passport. It's a good thing the Oriental Land Company is a not-for-profit charity and not a for-profit, publicly traded business like The Walt Disney Company.

No one is denying that Disney hasn't always been in business to make money. Instead, people are criticizing how Disney is doing it today versus how they used to do it in the past when prices were more reasonable, quality was better, and theme park investment was higher.

One of the reasons the "Disney is in business to make money" defense is irritating is that there is an implied suggestion that corporate Disney should not be criticized for its current actions.

The opposite is true. If WDW was free, everyone should be quiet and be thankful for what they receive.

Paying customers have the right to complain about products and services.

Paying customers have the right to complain about prices.

Smart companies listen to paying customers before they become former customers.

There are signs that Disney is listening.

Base MYW ticket prices are up 4.5% this year instead of the 7% they averaged the 3 years before.

The Disney Dining Plan is up 4.6% this year instead of the 18.5% the year before.

When customers don't complain, corporate management views it as tacit approval of their actions.

So, to everyone who ever visits WDW, I encourage you to complain, complain, complain.

 

[DisneyFan 2000]

God forbid anyone make money.

I agree with you for the most part, but that's a ludicrous point to try and make against TWDC. I get what you're saying, but the company has pretty much always been for profit.

I think you were missing the sarcasm in that remark.

 

[Next Big Thing]

I think you were missing the sarcasm in that remark.

lol yeah I guess so. Must've read through it too fast.

 

[PhotoDave219]

Dave,

I'm ok with the guest impact of issues like this, in fact it's interesting. I'm ok with the rest. Especially the cheesesteaks But spreading the fear and panic and continuing what every news media is trying to do (ie, spread fear and panic) regarding Ebola and misinformation is where my magical pixie dust line gets drawn.

I thought we were trying to get ahold of the panic and assure people that they'd be fine to travel to WDW.

 

[ford91exploder]

Dave,

I'm ok with the guest impact of issues like this, in fact it's interesting. I'm ok with the rest. Especially the cheesesteaks But spreading the fear and panic and continuing what every news media is trying to do (ie, spread fear and panic) regarding Ebola and misinformation is where my magical pixie dust line gets drawn.

Trouble is the only misinformation about Ebola is being spread by the US Govt.

Doctors without Borders has been treating Ebola for decades the link below are their guidelines which are far stricter than the CDC's but theirs are based on decades of experience gained by losing members of their teams to Ebola not electoral politics.

http://www.doctorswithoutborders.org/our-work/medical-issues/ebola

As to panic - we are not treating this disease seriously enough because of the mindset 'it can't happen to me'. Yes kiddies it can and it probably will to more than a few of us in the US.

 

[lazyboy97o]

lol yeah I guess so. Must've read through it too fast.

Yeah, the Oriental Land Company is a publicly traded, for-profit business. Tokyo Disney Resort is also their primary venture. Crowds and culture definitely play a part, but the cheaper parks in Japan have pretty much always been more profitable than the American parks. They're continued proof that "quality will out" and that Disney today is leave huge sums on the table because people who don't like theme parks are making the decisions and being cheap.

 

[ford91exploder]

I thought we were trying to get ahold of the panic and assure people that they'd be fine to travel to WDW.

I know I've cancelled my holiday trip to WDW, unfortunately I HAVE to fly for business but that does not mean I will take any unnecessary trips on public transport either for business or pleasure and by definition pleasure trips are unnecessary. Does it eliminate risk absolutely not, does it reduce it measurably yes it does.

I hope Disney takes action to pressure the US Govt to take stronger and more effective action than they have to date. Finagle knows TWDC has the lobbying firepower.

Already sent a letter to TDO stating same and asking if they could do a paid web version of the candlelight processional for those of us who are staying away for risk management reasons.

 

[Atomicmickey]

I know I've cancelled my holiday trip to WDW, unfortunately I HAVE to fly for business but that does not mean I will take any unnecessary trips on public transport either for business or pleasure and by definition pleasure trips are unnecessary. Does it eliminate risk absolutely not, does it reduce it measurably yes it does.

I hope Disney takes action to pressure the US Govt to take stronger and more effective action than they have to date. Finagle knows TWDC has the lobbying firepower.

Already sent a letter to TDO stating same and asking if they could do a paid web version of the candlelight processional for those of us who are staying away for risk management reasons.

There is an equal chance that no one in Orlando will have it, and someone who does will fly
from someplace to your area and spread it. So, staying in one place or another, traveling or not, probably
makes no statistical difference.

And TDO isn't going to start webcasting their entertainment, that would just cause MORE
people to stay away.

And finally. Three people have it. Let's talk flu. Obesity. Gun violence. Drunk driving. Poverty.
Income inequality. Things that are really going to hurt us.

On second thought, let's not. Let's talk Frozen overlay, Avatar land, Haunted
Mansion gift shop, and Rivers of Light. Let's talk Epcot of the 80's and John Hench.
You know, Disney stuff. Just a suggestion . . . .

 

[PhotoDave219]

I know I've cancelled my holiday trip to WDW, unfortunately I HAVE to fly for business but that does not mean I will take any unnecessary trips on public transport either for business or pleasure and by definition pleasure trips are unnecessary. Does it eliminate risk absolutely not, does it reduce it measurably yes it does.

I hope Disney takes action to pressure the US Govt to take stronger and more effective action than they have to date. Finagle knows TWDC has the lobbying firepower.

Already sent a letter to TDO stating same and asking if they could do a paid web version of the candlelight processional for those of us who are staying away for risk management reasons.

Why did you cancel your trip?

 

[ford91exploder]

There is an equal chance that no one in Orlando will have it, and someone who does will fly
from someplace to your area and spread it. So, staying in one place or another, traveling or not, probably
makes no statistical difference.

And TDO isn't going to start webcasting their entertainment, that would just cause MORE
people to stay away.

And finally. Three people have it. Let's talk flu. Obesity. Gun violence. Drunk driving. Poverty.
Income inequality. Things that are really going to hurt us.

On second thought, let's not. Let's talk Frozen overlay, Avatar land, Haunted
Mansion gift shop, and Rivers of Light. Let's talk Epcot of the 80's and John Hench.
You know, Disney stuff. Just a suggestion . . . .

Attitudes like this are part of the problem, it can't happen here well so we don't need to take precautions you may have noticed that I said l'm cutting ALL non-essential travel on public transit as are many of my colleagues we will travel if necessary but the telepresence suites are getting a lot more use these past few weeks.

 

[Tigger1988]

Precautions can be taken without living life in a bubble. @Atomicmickey has it right.

3 people have it and unless you plan on playing in their bodily fluids you won't get it.

 

[ford91exploder]

Why did you cancel your trip?

It's an unnecessary risk I don't NEED to go to Disney and since we are unable and unwilling to track people potentially exposed to Ebola why should I make any airline trip business does not require me to.

That cruise ship should be held in quarantine for 21 days, just do the math on how many people those 3k pax will come in contact with. Doing otherwise is playing Russian roulette

 

[ford91exploder]

Precautions can be taken without living life in a bubble. @Atomicmickey has it right.

3 people have it and unless you plan on playing in their bodily fluids you won't get it.

In college I worked in a lab which handled Bubonic plague, I know a bit more than I ever wanted to about these types of things and just how dangerous they truly are.

In my case I did instrumentation but the researchers drilled into all of our heads how dangerous this stuff was and ANY mistake could infect you or others and I've never forgotten those lessons.

It bothers me when I see things decorated with the biohazard symbol, to me that MEANS very specific methods of handling stuff not a symbol on a t shirt or costume.

 

[Nemo14]

meanwhile, in Maine...
http://www.whdh.com/story/26822732/teacher-forced-to-take-leave-of-absence-out-of-ebola-fears

 

[Bolt]

I haven't left my bunker since the SARS outbreak.

 

[Tigger1988]

The nurse on the cruise ship has already been cleared, she didn't even have any contact with Duncan. The risk of her having Ebola was low, all this did was scare people and ruin some expensive vacations for all those on board.

 

[Tigger1988]

meanwhile, in Maine...
http://www.whdh.com/story/26822732/teacher-forced-to-take-leave-of-absence-out-of-ebola-fears

Cancel all flights to/from Dallas!!11111

Insanity.

 

[Goofyernmost]

meanwhile, in Maine...
http://www.whdh.com/story/26822732/teacher-forced-to-take-leave-of-absence-out-of-ebola-fears

It does prove, however, how irrational and foolish we can be as a species. I wonder if it's possible to turn back time and be just an ape? They are happy and tend to fling "stuff" everywhere.