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[Mike S]

Turn your phone to landscape and you can.

What does that mean? If it's just turn it sideways then no it doesn't work. I'm using Safari on an iPhone 4 if that helps.

 

[wdwmagic]

What does that mean? If it's just turn it sideways then no it doesn't work. I'm using Safari on an iPhone 4 if that helps.

Ah ok, you won't see it on the 4. You will signatures on the larger screened iPhone 5 and up in landscape orientation.

 

[Mike S]

Ah ok, you won't see it on the 4. You will signatures on the larger screened iPhone 5 and up in landscape orientation.

Thanks. Have you ever tried making it work for when the phone is vertical?

 

[RSoxNo1]

So you really think Song of the South is racist and bad and stuff, huh?

My opinion is 100% irrelevant. The company won't release it because of racial insensitivity issues, yet they made a ride based on the characters and some of the storyline and no one knows/cares.

 

[lazyboy97o]

I understand why MSUSA is so wide, but that also takes away from the charm of DL MSUSA, of feeling like a tight knit little town and you're literally walking down Main Street, USA. At MK, it feels like a wide expanse of concrete with no benches nor shade and there's ...almost the feeling or urgency to walk through it quickly. It's not as welcoming as DL is.

Main Street, USA at the Magic Kingdom is not wider or longer than the original at Disneyland. That is the effect of trees and benches along the sides of the street. Trees along the edge of a road is just good street design. It makes people slow down and be more aware. It makes for a better vacation experience as well as better, safer everyday streets in our local communities.

Can't they just relocate TDA people to Orlando and hope to stir things up that way?

Who do you think would be making such changes? In the organizational chart Anaheim reports to Florida.

In Anaheim the execs are surrounded by people who've worked at Disneyland for decades, the fanbase is pretty powerful and there is an appreciation of history that is rarely forgotten. When changes are made there, they have to be pretty sure they're going to be for the better.

The fans at Disneyland are overly obsessed with ornament. Disneyland is in just as much of an artistic rut, it's just a bit cleaner.

Not until the mid 1990's, when New Tomorrowland opened at MK, did the cloning practice finally taper off for MK.

Even New Tomorrowland only had one original new attraction and both new attractions were intended to open at Disneyland.

 

[FigmentFreak]

To my knowledge Chevron sponsorship ended in 2012 and there is still no replacement sponsor at DL. Every other Disney park around the world has a sponsor except for WDW. I'm not sure how long the deals run or how much money is paid, but it's possible to bring in a car manufacturer. I have first hand knowledge that a company that doesn't manufacture cars but is pretty big in the electric car charging business looked at stepping in a sponsor. I don't think it went far, but it was looked at. If they got a company to sponsor at both parks it could be a nice, cheap upgrade.

Wouldn't Tesla be a fun sponsor for the speedway.

 

[Soarin' Over Pgh]

Main Street, USA at the Magic Kingdom is not wider or longer than the original at Disneyland. That is the effect of trees and benches along the sides of the street. Trees along the edge of a road is just good street design. It makes people slow down and be more aware. It makes for a better vacation experience as well as better, safer everyday streets in our local communities.


Who do you think would be making such changes? In the organizational chart Anaheim reports to Florida.


The fans at Disneyland are overly obsessed with ornament. Disneyland is in just as much of an artistic rut, it's just a bit cleaner.


Even New Tomorrowland only had one original new attraction and both new attractions were intended to open at Disneyland.

Ah, I did not know that! What a difference trees, flowers and benches make.

 

[DisneyGentleman]

Wouldn't Tesla be a fun sponsor for the speedway.

Sure - Tesla name and lawnmower technology.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Ah, I did not know that! What a difference trees, flowers and benches make.

Want to know something scarier? Most people are tricked the same way, especially when driving. We all tend to think we can drive faster in more recently developed residential areas because trees along the road have similarly been banished. Our minds read the big, open, gently curving roads and big open lawns as a highway (whose design guidelines are pretty much what is being followed) and we drive like we were on one. To tie this back to Walt Disney World, like you said such a design encourages people to move more quickly. As real cities are learning, restoring those elements will slow down and relax people, their grip on their money is also relaxed. Putting the trees back would likely generate more sales on Main Street, USA!

 

[GoofGoof]

Wouldn't Tesla be a fun sponsor for the speedway.

They could convert to all electric cars modeled to look like Tesla cars. There is even room for a small area to show off the real cars outside the ride queue. Tesla would be the better fit in my opinion than Nissan or Chevy.

Besides the upgrade to electric cars they could take the leftover sponsorship money and add in some new scenery. I don't think the ride needs a backstory, but if they want it to actually fit into Tomorrowland why not make some futuristic looking street scenes and make the ride theme "driving cars in the future". Some cool lighting would work well at night and maybe a few basic set pieces along the track.

 

[unkadug]

Who do you think would be making such changes? In the organizational chart Anaheim reports to Florida.


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Whoa...what....Since when does TDA report to TDO?

 

[GoofGoof]

Sure - Tesla name and lawnmower technology.

I think you missed the post that started this conversation a few pages back. The cars would be replaced.

Honestly, I think the Speedway has real potential, even if they still keep the same infrastructure in place.
Replace the noisy lawnmower engines with a fleet of electrics like Hong Kong has, then spend a couple million to build some neat scenery for the track.
Sugar Rush, Radiator Springs, or even a generic "Tomorrowland" race course would be welcome and shift the emphasis from being on the attraction hardware itself (which is and always will be lame) to the experience of driving in whatever themed world they build.

 

[TP2000]

Main Street, USA at the Magic Kingdom is not wider or longer than the original at Disneyland. That is the effect of trees and benches along the sides of the street. Trees along the edge of a road is just good street design. It makes people slow down and be more aware. It makes for a better vacation experience as well as better, safer everyday streets in our local communities.

That's one of my favorite misconceptions about the two Castle parks in America. And to be fair, until the advent of Google Earth it was an assumption and mistake a lot of Disney theme park fans made.

MSUSA is the exact same width and length, from storefront to storefront and train station to Central Plaza (give or take a few bricks) at Magic Kingdom Park as it is at Disneyland.

Magic Kingdom's MSUSA appears bigger and more urban because the shop buildings are a bit taller at Magic Kingdom, mainly to allow much larger overhangs and awnings built out of them to shelter pedestrians from the rainy and hot Florida climate. But the footprint of the actual street, the sidewalks, and the buildings alongside is nearly identical.

There's also the issue of the mixed-use and operational differences; Disneyland still has working attractions and non-revenue exhibits placed in some Main Street structures, while Magic Kingdom has gone to a street that is exclusively merchandise and dining, with a lone "attraction" in the Town Square in the form of the meet n' greet facility (although we all know that's driven by PhotoPass sales).

Add in a lot more trees and vegetation and much longer operating hours for the full fleet of Main Street Vehicles at Disneyland, and the opening act of those two Castle parks can look and feel very different, even if technically they are identical in size and square footage.

Who shrunk the Castle? And who's been spraying MiracleGro on everything?

The fans at Disneyland are overly obsessed with ornament. Disneyland is in just as much of an artistic rut, it's just a bit cleaner.

Agreed.

Disneyland has been getting away with it with its fans in the last five years because of the radical transformation of DCA next door. And since Cars Land is but a mere 10 minute stroll from dying Tomorrowland, it's been easy for Disneyland fans to overlook it. A decent amount of park entertainment freshening and good upkeep has helped too. But I think the end of that grace period is quickly coming to an end for TDA.

Anaheim bosses will luck out and buy some extra time with the rumored WOW! entertainment additions coming next year for the 60th Anniversary, but by 2016 there had better be bulldozers in Disneyland or the fans will start to demand answers and action.

 

[the.dreamfinder]

Whoa...what....Since when does TDA report to TDO?

OneDisney

 

[DisneyGentleman]

I think you missed the post that started this conversation a few pages back. The cars would be replaced.

Oh - Tesla bodies with lawnmower technology.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Whoa...what....Since when does TDA report to TDO?

It has been a few years now. Meg Crofton's title is President, Walt Disney Parks and Resorts Operations, U.S. and France. The OneDisney initiative has also seen a lot of back of house consolidated. Some departments are based in Anaheim but far more are based in Florida. The current and most recent presidents of the Disneyland Resort were both from Walt Disney World.

Disneyland has been getting away with it with its fans in the last five years because of the radical transformation of DCA next door. And since Cars Land is but a mere 10 minute stroll from dying Tomorrowland, it's been easy for Disneyland fans to overlook it. A decent amount of park entertainment freshening and good upkeep has helped too. But I think the end of that grace period is quickly coming to an end.

I actually think the extreme makeover of Disney's California Adventure is part of that creative rut. It is all amazing, but I am still convinced the size of the project was Disney overreacting to the city. Ed Grier, who is so often demonized for not doing phony photo-op visits, is one person I really wonder about. He's never discussed much but he did come from Japan where the upfront investment in the second gate paid off. I also think the two signature lands could have been far stronger experiences without their "necessary" franchises.

 

[EPCOTCenterLover]

Just curious- have you been to DCA 2.0? It's a pretty strong overall package. Much stronger the parks 3 and 4 in Florida.

 

[the.dreamfinder]

Just curious- have you been to DCA 2.0? It's a pretty strong overall package. Much stronger the parks 3 and 4 in Florida.

He's referring more to the circumstance that led the BoD to approve it, not the quality of the final product itself.

 

[spacemt354]

I understand why MSUSA is so wide, but that also takes away from the charm of DL MSUSA, of feeling like a tight knit little town and you're literally walking down Main Street, USA. At MK, it feels like a wide expanse of concrete with no benches nor shade and there's ...almost the feeling or urgency to walk through it quickly. It's not as welcoming as DL is.

I think another factor that makes the WDW Main Street seem "larger" is the more prominent use of forced perspective.

The castle at the end of Main Street dictate how long you perceive the street to be. With a much larger castle in Florida, it feels like it's that much further away than the castle in DL, which consequently contributes to the feeling that WDW Main Street is longer. Also in DL, the trees beyond Sleeping Beauty castle are taller if not as tall as the castle itself. This, coupled with the surrounding greenery on Main Street, contributes to the street feeling more enclosed. In addition, the buildings along WDW Main Street are taller than those in DL, which takes away the some of the quaintness of DL and makes the street feel 'bigger'

It's interesting how just a little greenery makes that much of a difference.

 

[lazyboy97o]

I think another factor that makes the WDW Main Street seem "larger" is the more prominent use of forced perspective.

The castle at the end of Main Street dictate how long you perceive the street to be. With a much larger castle in Florida, it feels like it's that much further away than the castle in DL, which consequently contributes to the feeling that WDW Main Street is longer. Also in DL, the trees beyond Sleeping Beauty castle are taller if not as tall as the castle itself. This, coupled with the surrounding greenery on Main Street, contributes to the street feeling more enclosed. In addition, the buildings along WDW Main Street are taller than those in DL, which takes away the some of the quaintness of DL and makes the street feel 'bigger'

It's interesting how just a little greenery makes that much of a difference.

Forced perspective making Main Street, USA appear longer is another myth. Larger objects are also read as closer, so it should be the opposite if the size of the castle impacted the perception of the street's length.