Animaniac93-98
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Avatar is the highest grossing movie of all time. Is he wrong to think that way?
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Avatar is the highest grossing movie of all time. Is he wrong to think that way?
PhotoDave219
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DCA just got Cars Land and now they're getting ANOTHER Pixar themed land? What's it going to take before they finally add more to Pixar Place here in Florida?!?!?!?!
Dark of the new moon.... first born.... Sacrifices to the correct Gods....
Spirited Late Night Musings:
I think late night teevee is going to be boring as hell with so many people retiring. Really going to miss Craig Ferguson as he is unique among the network ranks ... And ... And ... Oops, this post was supposed to be my late night musings, not my musings on late night. You get old, these things happen.
So, is it just me and the spyware and google and metrics and all of that because since I've returned from my DCL cruise it seems like every banner ad (at least on this site) is trying to entice me to book another DCL cruise this fall?
I am amused that many Disney/Marvel fanbois are taking shots at Sony for Amazing Spidey 2. I haven't seen it and have no idea how it is (to be fair I only really enjoyed the first of the original three and thought the 2012 reboot was good, but not spectacular) BUT this film is a huge hit for Sony at around $700 million globally and counting. Sony will continue to make these films and Disney won't. Any other talk would be about as absurd as the fanbois who still cluck that Disney somehow has the upper hand and will force UNI to give back the theme park rights east of the Mississippi. Laughable. Just no other way to put it. Some fans are dumber than dirt.
Anyone see Cosmos tonight? Amazing what Seth MacFarlane was able to bully FOX into. To see a cool series based on pure science, with no religious, financial or political spin thrown in, on primetime network TV deserves a standing ovation. To just talk about the realities of global warming, and not even p- it all up by calling it climate change is just so damn admirable.
I also want to thank the local ABC affiliate for deciding paid programming was better than three hours of SHIELD reruns to try and find a few dozen more viewers for fall.
Has Gary Buchanan snagged a one on one interview with Mark Hamill with WDW's top BRAND advocate, Loveable Lou, yet?
I have missed so much in the fan Twitverse the last month and a half, yet I haven't felt compelled at all to see what folks like Mrs. Ricky's husband are up to.
Has it really come to this? Does Disney think it can get people into its parks by adding Dole Whip to them? Pssst ...fanbois, guess what? You can get the stuff at many froyo places around the country. It isn't exclusive to Disney anymore than those disgusting turkey legs are.
To those crowing about the nice work done on the new Lion King theater, my only question would be why? That should be the expectation with everything Disney does for the prices they charge and the PR they spin.
Anyone who thinks WDW ever had a problem with Coke thievery should have a meal at my local Chipotle.
How much would you like to bet that EVERY O-Town Lifestyler somehow winds up at Harambe Nights, that is if the DBP team hasn't scheduled a night for all of them this week already.
There's a lot of times here where my reaction to something is "if only" as in 'If only I could say what I know or not censor anything here' ...well, I had a fascinating visit with some friends at the 1901 Lounge at DCA where the subject of Disney and the online whores was discussed over great food and drinks and ...yeah, if only ...
I think late night teevee is going to be boring as hell with so many people retiring. Really going to miss Craig Ferguson as he is unique among the network ranks ... And ... And ... Oops, this post was supposed to be my late night musings, not my musings on late night. You get old, these things happen.
So, is it just me and the spyware and google and metrics and all of that because since I've returned from my DCL cruise it seems like every banner ad (at least on this site) is trying to entice me to book another DCL cruise this fall?
I am amused that many Disney/Marvel fanbois are taking shots at Sony for Amazing Spidey 2. I haven't seen it and have no idea how it is (to be fair I only really enjoyed the first of the original three and thought the 2012 reboot was good, but not spectacular) BUT this film is a huge hit for Sony at around $700 million globally and counting. Sony will continue to make these films and Disney won't. Any other talk would be about as absurd as the fanbois who still cluck that Disney somehow has the upper hand and will force UNI to give back the theme park rights east of the Mississippi. Laughable. Just no other way to put it. Some fans are dumber than dirt.
Anyone see Cosmos tonight? Amazing what Seth MacFarlane was able to bully FOX into. To see a cool series based on pure science, with no religious, financial or political spin thrown in, on primetime network TV deserves a standing ovation. To just talk about the realities of global warming, and not even p- it all up by calling it climate change is just so damn admirable.
I also want to thank the local ABC affiliate for deciding paid programming was better than three hours of SHIELD reruns to try and find a few dozen more viewers for fall.
Has Gary Buchanan snagged a one on one interview with Mark Hamill with WDW's top BRAND advocate, Loveable Lou, yet?
I have missed so much in the fan Twitverse the last month and a half, yet I haven't felt compelled at all to see what folks like Mrs. Ricky's husband are up to.
Has it really come to this? Does Disney think it can get people into its parks by adding Dole Whip to them? Pssst ...fanbois, guess what? You can get the stuff at many froyo places around the country. It isn't exclusive to Disney anymore than those disgusting turkey legs are.
To those crowing about the nice work done on the new Lion King theater, my only question would be why? That should be the expectation with everything Disney does for the prices they charge and the PR they spin.
Anyone who thinks WDW ever had a problem with Coke thievery should have a meal at my local Chipotle.
How much would you like to bet that EVERY O-Town Lifestyler somehow winds up at Harambe Nights, that is if the DBP team hasn't scheduled a night for all of them this week already.
There's a lot of times here where my reaction to something is "if only" as in 'If only I could say what I know or not censor anything here' ...well, I had a fascinating visit with some friends at the 1901 Lounge at DCA where the subject of Disney and the online whores was discussed over great food and drinks and ...yeah, if only ...
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the.dreamfinder
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Yes, it's not wise to run your movie studio like a game of Russian roulette. Films like Maleficent, Cap 2, X-Men-Days of Future Past, or Godzilla represent 300-500 million dollar investments in ONE film when marketing is factored in*. That one film has to make AT LEAST 600 million-1 billion dollars just to cover the initial investment, which I might add gets trickier when growing markets like China only give studios 15-20 percent of the gross.
Just because Avatar is the highest grossing film of all time, in non-inflation adjusted dollars, does not mean it's ok to think this way and take the actions TWDS has. Most tent poles don't make their money back in theatrical and often rely or in some cases used to on DVD/Blu Ray, Pay TV and Cable. Disney can't afford to keep making hollow spectacle films that cost hundreds of millions of dollars to make and don't make back their money in theatrical release. What's the point in a back catalog if it's just paying down the debts from past failure instead of boosting your profit margins? (We could also discuss the stupidity in selling Miramax, but that's another subject and I suspect Disney might buy back the catalog at some point)
On the subject of live action Disney tentpoles, let's talk about Alan Horn. Alan Horn is a pretty talented guy. How many execs had a run like his at Warner Brothers with Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings, The Matrix? While our buddy Bob might see those successes and think "why did I let the Disney Channel guy with ZERO film experience try to execute my tentpoles only strategy?", it's important to view Alan's skills within the context of his entire career. Before he became the big man at Warner Brothers, he ran a production company called Castle Rock. Castle Rock specialized in medium budget, 20-40 million in today's dollars, films which could make back their budgets. If you're Disney, why aren't you leveraging Alan's expertise to revive Touchstone as a counterweight to these live action tentpoles?
Somehow I managed not to touch the story issue, but good films are much more valuable to a studio in the long term because people want to see them again. (The key is just making a film for the right budget.) Anybody here dying to rewatch Avatar or Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland?
*That's not including a scenario like Disney turning over a hefty chunk of the grosses from The Avengers and Iron Man Three to Paramount to get the rights back.
The funny thing about Monsters at DCA is that they were never on the table for that park. The stalled WDW project stuff was sorta sitting around and one person saw it and ...
It is moving forward, but I can't give you a time table. My gut says construction starts next year, but the way things are, that's just a shot in the dark right now.
I am not sure you missed anything with Knott's. The time the lightbulb went on for me was at the 40th Anniversary of the Haunt in 2012. The vibe was different and I saw little things getting attention. Now, it's big things too.
DCL appeals to many demos, and (believe it or not, not all crazy, rabid Disney Parks fans) that is something I enjoy with them. But this cruise was just loaded with wealthy Disney nuts, no other way to put it. Some I enjoyed, some I wouldn't have minded dropping overboard!
Animaniac93-98
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If I were Sony, the one thing I would be concerned about is the movie's domestic performance. It still has not hit $200 million here yet, and it won't make much more than that when all is said and done. That's well below the last movie's $262 million tally, and far less than any Spider-Man movie to date, whether or not you account for inflation. I'm sure Sony thinks it's cool that everyone in China and India wants to see it, but the % of money they get from those countries is not as good as here.
One thing that I saw earlier and may have missed is someone was asking about whether they should do a DCL voyage versus a TDR trip. That isn't an easy question to answer.
It depends on so many variables, including time, money, what cruise itinerary, would the TDR trip include other places (as great as those parks are -- and they are!-- it is insane to travel abroad anywhere simply for theme parks).
Right now, my answer would be TDR, but that's because I just had an amazing 15-night DCL vacation. ... It is not a one answer fits all kind of deal at all.
It depends on so many variables, including time, money, what cruise itinerary, would the TDR trip include other places (as great as those parks are -- and they are!-- it is insane to travel abroad anywhere simply for theme parks).
Right now, my answer would be TDR, but that's because I just had an amazing 15-night DCL vacation. ... It is not a one answer fits all kind of deal at all.
the.dreamfinder
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Simple Answer: A DCL Japan Cruise with a four day visit to TDR!
Any word on when DCL will start sailing to Japan?
stevehousse
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The new Spidey was good, but extremely cartoonish I think...I had a real problem with some of the gimmicks...
Ie: spidey riding on the front end of a truck, his cell phone rings and he answers it. His ring tone was the spidey theme!!!
Ie: spidey riding on the front end of a truck, his cell phone rings and he answers it. His ring tone was the spidey theme!!!
I was talking about podcasts in general, but definitely Disney (and themed entertainment in particular). I guess the point is sorta like bloggers becoming known as experts when often they are clueless and spread misinformation. It's all part of our 21st century communications landscape.
But just because anyone can start a podcast doesn't mean they should. I know this is a losing battle because I had this one with a friend when in LA recently. It's sorta like me complaining about Twitter ...the damn thing exists and isn't going anywhere for a while. I realize that. I just think the shear volume of fanbois talking about whether they think Star Wars Land will happen or the thematic integrity of DCA is insane, as are many of said podcasters.
A relative and I were discussing the subject earlier and the whole ''It was supposed to be an extension of radio'' line was tossed out. Well, as someone who worked (briefly) in radio I cam say quite confidently that it isn't for everyone ...yet every fanboi and his boyfriend has a podcast these days.
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Mike S
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That's just downright depressing. Any chance something gets cloned over here?
I don't really agree. Most of DCA still fits the general California theme ...even Cars Land looks like old Route 66 out in the deserts near Barstow in places. Most of it, even the slightly out of place stuff, works.
As opposed to most of what has been added to WDW parks ... Monsters and toon alien blue dogs in Tomorrowland ... Fairy meet and greets in Adventureland ... (with apologies go George Scribner) The Three Cabelleros in Mexico ....a giant hat at the end if Hollywood Blvd. I rest my case.
Not in the immediate future. Down the line ... Yes.
lazyboy97o
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Just because anybody can make a podcast doesn't mean people are listening nor does it negate the good content that is created. There has always been schlock, there will always be schlock and those who enjoy it will always exist and systems of curators will never change that.
Yep ...SSE has taken a lot of fanboi angst since its 2007 redo. But this version is pretty much as good as any prior versions. The descent has been problematic since the first one and any Imagineer will tell you that.
I'm just happy it still exists ...and I love drinking a few and then staring up and losing myself in those blue lights.
flynnibus
Premium Member
Pure industrial movie making... stick in the formula and pump it out. Well done Mr Hendrickson you've painted the picture every non-lemming movie goer dispises.. and eventually will dispise your studio too.
FigmentJedi
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Word's going around that both the Fantastic Four ongoing comics are being cancelled to spite Fox and their adaptation plans. Combine that with supposed plans for a full-out Marvel reboot and it looks like their position as Marvel's first family is gonna be going away.
Next Big Thing
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Bill Paxton sighting?
Next Big Thing
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I'd put it one bucket lower.
DHS is underdeveloped and has some easily fixable theming issues.
Epcot on the other hand is stale as all get out, buildings are sitting empty, and they refuse to do anything about it. Epcot needs AT LEAST $1B put into it to become a decent park again.
Currently though, Epcot does have just enough stuff to do that you can spend an entire day there and still have a great time, which is where DHS is lacking and why it needs expansion so badly.