The Spirited Seventh Heaven ...

[Pumbas Nakasak]

Because there people who intentionally coming this thread because chaos in trouble.

My middle names.

Very strange parents.

 

[PhotoDave219]

My middle names.

Very strange parents.

Could be worse. At least it's not haggis.

 

[DisneyGentleman]

When it comes to seat size and fitting a "larger" American.....where does it end? I mean at what point does a person size dictate weather they can comfortably or safely ride an attraction? No matter what size they make the seats there will be someone who will not be able to fit. There are height restrictions on rides....why shouldn't there be weight restrictions as well?

While weight restrictions would make sense, it would also be an area of great sensitivity. A weigh-in would really embarrass people, and I don't see it ever happening. So the easy way out is to let the system "self regulate" by limiting the volume that could be squeezed into a vehicle.

It is sad that in a time we consider ourselves open minded that weight discrimination is fashionable in our society. We assume that overweight people are simply out of control, and that may not in fact be true. There are even papers out there which say that the flora in your gut control what you weigh.

So I suggest we show a bit of sympathy to our friends who are larger in size and recognize that everyone can't do every ride. We don't progress as humans to point fingers at each other based on physical features.

 

[GoofGoof]

@WDW1974 can you clarify your understanding of the Avatar situation?Many pages back you posted that you had no new news on Avatar but had heard strong rumors the boat ride was cut or pushed to phase 2 (which is pretty much the same thing as cut). I thought you also said somewhere in there that nothing was confirmed.

There is a thread here that was started in April when the Mice Age update claimed that the boat ride was canceled. Some people think your earlier post is confirming the Mice Age story. Is this really confirmed or still just rumors?

 

[Pumbas Nakasak]

Could be worse. At least it's not haggis.

But I am offal and spicy.

 

[Omnispace]

The Spirit was suggesting it was irresponsible to show a child (1) sitting at the bar (2) drinking a clearly alcoholic drink. (WDW has strict rules in what cups drinks come in when you get them at a bar.) While kids will likely be allowed in the bar area--and non-alcoholic beverages will no doubt be served--I don't think WDW meant to suggest kids could sit at the bar and chug down a rum-based tiki drink. That was all I was discussing.

I thought the comment was a jab at the mediocre rendering -- particularly the way people are characterized. But that could just be my dislike for the rendering style influencing my interpretation.

 

[Omnispace]

Good points, and everything in ride building is a compromise, right? The ride is supposed to be family friendly, some even term it a kiddie coaster. If that's true, then sizing it for kiddies, of at least a certain height, makes sense. If that's who Disney wanted to please, with a ride smack in the center of Fantasyland, I'm fine with it.
Heck, look how small the Matterhorn sleds used to be. Don't see many morbidly obese fitting into those.

Not all that different than old Space Mountain ride cars, I think.

I haven't had a chance to try the new Matterhorn cars yet but they are supposedly a bit on the tight side as well. At least with the former arrangement you could simply put one larger size person in a seat by themselves.

It's always going to be difficult to design ride vehicles to accommodate so many different size people. I'm sure that for the 7D Mine Train they erred towards the safety of children that will be riding it.

 

[flynnibus]

It's ashame all this deep dive on the coaster cars couldn't happen in

This thread on the topic... http://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads/mine-ride-for-big-people.884691/
Or even maybe this thread on the topic... http://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads/mine-train-and-overweight-people.851052/

Considering they are dead ringers for it.

 

[sshindel]

It's ashame all this deep dive on the coaster cars couldn't happen in

This thread on the topic... http://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads/mine-ride-for-big-people.884691/
Or even maybe this thread on the topic... http://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads/mine-train-and-overweight-people.851052/

Considering they are dead ringers for it.

Good point. I did think though that this thread was meant to discuss things that @WDW1974 talked about, and this was all brought up in response to one of his posts. If we can't discuss anything in this thread that is being discussed in others, well, this thread is pretty much going to wither and die.

 

[xdan0920]

Good point. I did think though that this thread was meant to discuss things that @WDW1974 talked about, and this was all brought up in response to one of his posts. If we can't discuss anything in this thread that is being discussed in others, well, this thread is pretty much going to wither and die.

I think there is some type of moving target in here of how much one thing is allowed to be talked about. Maybe the "Mine Train is racist against fat people" discussion has crossed that imaginary line?

 

[flynnibus]

Good point. I did think though that this thread was meant to discuss things that @WDW1974 talked about, and this was all brought up in response to one of his posts. If we can't discuss anything in this thread that is being discussed in others, well, this thread is pretty much going to wither and die.

Actually he added a piece of information that probably would have been great to discuss.. with the people already covering that topic. You will find the subsequent posts did not actually engage with WDW1974 on his tidbit, but rather a group of people who took the bone and ran... duplicating a ton of questions and discussion that was already happening in a well established thread.

It's one thing to say 'we were discussing that with the OP' - it's another thing to take a tangent to the point it's dominating the thread while simultaneously duplicating another thread. If it's got legs.. give it a home. And the home in this case already exists.

 

[sshindel]

Actually he added a piece of information that probably would have been great to discuss.. with the people already covering that topic. You will find the subsequent posts did not actually engage with WDW1974 on his tidbit, but rather a group of people who took the bone and ran... duplicating a ton of questions and discussion that was already happening in a well established thread.

It's one thing to say 'we were discussing that with the OP' - it's another thing to take a tangent to the point it's dominating the thread while simultaneously duplicating another thread. If it's got legs.. give it a home. And the home in this case already exists.

Hey, I'd love to discuss it with the OP. As soon as '74 is back online, and if he finds it interesting enough to comment on, then I'll be happy to discuss it with him.
Are the new rules that we have to wait around until he is available for comment though? If so, I guess I'll tap out. I'm never up late enough in the evenings anymore to be online when he is.

 

[DznyGrlSD]

I haven't had a chance to try the new Matterhorn cars yet but they are supposedly a bit on the tight side as well. At least with the former arrangement you could simply put one larger size person in a seat by themselves.

It's always going to be difficult to design ride vehicles to accommodate so many different size people. I'm sure that for the 7D Mine Train they erred towards the safety of children that will be riding it.

I rode it (Matterhorn) last may 2013 and I'm a larg person and I fit just fine. It was comical seeing me get in and out of it, I'm sure, but I fit.

 

[Pumbas Nakasak]

I rode it (Matterhorn) last may 2013 and I'm a larg person and I fit just fine. It was comical seeing me get in and out of it, I'm sure, but I fit.

I provide a unique comedy show getting into and out of the rings at Typhoon Lagoon, but its preferable to being towed to deep water by Greenpeace.

 

[xdan0920]

Actually he added a piece of information that probably would have been great to discuss.. with the people already covering that topic. You will find the subsequent posts did not actually engage with WDW1974 on his tidbit, but rather a group of people who took the bone and ran... duplicating a ton of questions and discussion that was already happening in a well established thread.

It's one thing to say 'we were discussing that with the OP' - it's another thing to take a tangent to the point it's dominating the thread while simultaneously duplicating another thread. If it's got legs.. give it a home. And the home in this case already exists.

This thread is never going to be what you want it to be though. The threads started by 74, are what they are at this point. The threads move fast, generate a lot of views, and because of that, discussions spin off in different directions. It would be nice if we stuck to WDW news and rumors, but not even the OP does that.

By the way, no olive branch needed Pete. Me and Flynn get along just fine.

 

[rael ramone]

Frozen at EPCOT. That is what has you all hot and bothered right? Well, it is coming to the ride formally known as the Maelstrom. It will be a rush job. I don't normally name sources but here I flat out will since my second source confirmed it to an audience of maybe 150 people during an onboard presentation on the Disney Wonder.

George Scribner, animator and Imagineer (for those who don't know his pedigree he directed 1988's Disney animated feature Oliver and Company, did background work on films including the Lion Ling, Dinosaur and Fantasia 2000 and was the director of Mickey's PhilharMagic and The Gran Fiesta Tour at WDW and also was responsible for TDS's Magic Lamp Theater film) confirmed that WDI is working on a redo of the ride with a Frozen overlay. BTW, his sister in law, Amy, was one of Frozen's producers.

Now, I don't think WDI wanted him leaking this to an audience of largely Disney geeks in the middle of the Pacific. But someone asked him about criticism over changing a classic EPCOT attraction by adding toons and he got a bit of that famous WDI 'we are smarter and better than our audience' 'tude and it sorta slipped out. I am not sure he had any intention of saying what he did, but he did.

Specifics? This is a Maelstrom redo, not a new Norway pavilion. I expect it to be cheaply executed. The biggest cost will be in redoing the finale scene as every other current scene can be (and looks like it will be) worked into a new attraction. The question is how far Disney will go in the queue and unload and whether the rumoured Olaf narrates a tour of today's Norway film will actually happen or not.

But this isn't an Imagination back and forth or even a Star Wars Land deal. It will happen. They want to strike now, before the Broadway play and the sequel, while everyone is Frozen over because at some point some of the glow over this nice but overrated film will melt.

A direct quote from a kind Glendale based creative is ''Disney doesn't want a repeat of Little Mermaid where it takes them decades to get product into the parks.''

Rush job in 2014 = wait till the year ends up and then take a ride off line in a park that many feel desperately needs all the rides it can get, instead of....I don't know.... use the empty plot next door that can house an attraction that can handle the demand, and take a look at the archives to see how quickly a much smaller company would have been able to build a higher quality people eating attraction, and start... I don't know.... *NOW* before another franchise takes over the minds of the kiddies...

Or perhaps FROZEN is fated for Norway because that's how many guests feel walking through the Helly Hansen room when they are used to the clammy, sick-in-bed feeling that they feel while in the under air-conditioned attractions...

 

[Nemo14]

Could I segway into it with a link from Thread A to Thread B? In other words, a reply would be relavant to the topic being discussed, but would mention a subtopic, related to the reply itself but not the thread in general, with a link to a new thread for detailed discussion on the new subject matter touched on by a Segway in the reply message of the original thread?

First of all the word you meant is "segue" not Segway (the vehicle). You could try it that way, but don't overdo it.
Now we've discussed this enough on this thread, so if you have any more questions, let's take it to PM's, OK?

 

[The Mom]

Let's stay with discussion, rather than stream of consciousness. The fact that a remark triggers a thought doesn't mean that the thought has to be shared.

There is another thread for that. Or Chit Chat.

 

[Nemo14]

Let's stay with discussion, rather than stream of consciousness. The fact that a remark triggers a thought doesn't mean that the thought has to be shared.

There is another thread for that. Or Chit Chat.

Thanks!

 

[the.dreamfinder]

You know that upcoming Pixar film about Dia de Los Muertos that got Disney into hot water for trying to copyright a holiday? Another studio is beating them to the punch with Guillermo del Toro producing and Jorge Gutierrez, creator of Nickelodeon's El Tigre, directing. Looks gorgeous and it's great to see more CG films not conforming to the norm.

Not commenting specifically on your post, but I just wanted to bring something up based on the discussions regarding Jorge's film and the upcoming Pixar Day of the Dead film. I don't think Pixar will pull the plug on Lee Unkrich's Day of the Dead film because of this film. As I understand it, Lee's film is a intergenerational family film whereas Book of Life is a love story. I don't think there is any reason why we can't have multiple films that center on the Day of the Dead. There seems to be an assumption that these films have to compete against each other, ignoring the fact that we likely won't see the Pixar film until 2016-2017. I have heard so many complaints about how animated films are so cookie cutter and there is this conversation about these two films where they are the same. They aren't.