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Mike S

Mike S

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5thGenTexan said:
I didn't like Stitch.

I don't think characters belong in attractions in Tomorrowland.
The story does not live up to the amount of production.
I did not notice the chili dog burp smell.

I generally felt it was a waste of time and glad it was a walk on thing the day we were there.

Oh, and I never experienced Alien Encounter. I don't like the fact that Mission to Mars was replaced. 10 years old in 1985... Yeah, I loved it!!!
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As bad as Stitch's Great Escape might be those animatronics of him are pretty great. If he's ever removed I hope he finds a new life elsewhere and doesn't just sit in a warehouse.
 
Bairstow

Bairstow

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Mike S said:
I don't think Disney would want to anger the Tiki gods again, remember what happened to Iago?
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pwnbeaver

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Tahu said:
Figment comic's second issue has already sold out at the distributor level a week before it even releases and is going into a second printing. First one was similarly successful.

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2014/06/21/figment-2-sells-out-and-goes-to-second-print-already/

If this is a continued trend, I really hope Disney's paying attention.
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To be brutally honest, this probably doesn't mean anything.

I've worked in a comic store for a while now and I know the business. The big two (Marvel/DC but especially Marvel) are notorious for doing "underprints". As in, they print less copies of a book than they know they will need so that it will sell out for sure and garner more interest in the inevitable second print. We're probably looking at that in this case. Not only that, but a sold out Figment comic still probably isn't pulling more than 40k copies, and that is a very generous number. Some of the A class superheroes and their books struggle to break 35k and the highest selling comics of each month rarely surpass 120k. I'm not sure if June's sales figures are out yet but I'm pretty sure Figment isn't going to pass 25k and might not even make it into the top 100.

A real shame because it was a great comic. I hope my expectations are blown out of the water.

Either way though, even if Figment imagines his way up to the top ten highest books of the month and sells 86k I doubt Disney would do anything. Marvel would immediately make the Figment book an ongoing comic and announce another book in a similar vein, but selling less than 1/10 of a million comic books is chump change to Disney Corp. and I'm sure the suits wouldn't care about it at all. Besides, aren't we comic readers outside of the "targeted demographics" I've been hearing about for the past couple days?

*my sales estimates do not include digital, because Diamond Comics is afraid of knowing how many sales they lose to digital only customers each month and forbids them from being published in detail
 
Bairstow

Bairstow

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Where are you even supposed to find the Figment comic? I tried looking for it at both Barnes and Noble and Books-A-Million and neither of them sell single Marvel comics, just DC and Archie.
 
pwnbeaver

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Bairstow said:
Where are you even supposed to find the Figment comic? I tried looking for it at both Barnes and Noble and Books-A-Million and neither of them sell single Marvel comics, just DC and Archie.
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Ahhh, you just pinpointed the reason why the comic industry is dying!

Thanks to good ol' Diamond Comics grabbing the direct market by the balls and holding them there in the 90s, comic books are almost exclusively found in specialty comic book stores. Kids now never buy comics because THEY ARE IMPOSSIBLE TO FIND. I was hoping that the big Disney deal would find a way around this to get cheap comics back into grocery stores and convenience stores for kids to beg their parents for like back in the old days when comics were actually selling. Nope. Turns out Disney, much like WB, only cares about using the comics division as a way to keep the copyright up for eventual movies.

So, to answer the question, you have to find a local comic book store and order it through them or else you will probably never find it. Since Figment is a low volume book, bookstores and the like will probably have not ordered any copies in. You might get lucky and find one in a book store with a manager who really cares about comics and kids comics.
 
LithiumBill

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SJN1279

SJN1279

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5thGenTexan said:
I didn't like Stitch.

I don't think characters belong in attractions in Tomorrowland.
The story does not live up to the amount of production.
I did not notice the chili dog burp smell.

I generally felt it was a waste of time and glad it was a walk on thing the day we were there.

Oh, and I never experienced Alien Encounter. I don't like the fact that Mission to Mars was replaced. 10 years old in 1985... Yeah, I loved it!!!
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Lilo and Stitch is one of my all time favorite movies, but the attraction is atrocious. Alien Encounter wasn't great either imho.
 
RSoxNo1

RSoxNo1

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RivieraJenn said:
What? This is way off topic, and I don't want to take up too much time on this thread discussing it, but being on a sports team as a child is not a necessity for growing up into a well-adjusted, responsible adult. And, frankly, too many kids are so overly scheduled in organized activities these days that even if it were a requirement, this would be a non-issue. In fact, I would say exactly the opposite--too many directed, scheduled, organized activities hamper a child's development of imagination, problem solving and coping skills. The younger generations would be better served by being left to their own devices for more of their entertainment rather than signed up for yet another rec league sports team.
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I think children need to be a part of things where they aren't working for themselves, but a greater achievement. Whether that's sports or something similar, I think it's very valuable. More importantly, I also think kids need to experience a loss. I'm not saying Batman's parents dying in front of him, but a sports loss is important. They need to understand that things aren't always going to go their way and that while individual achievement is important, working together is also important. Sports team's are the most common approach to achieving both. Yes, there are other ways but the concepts still exist.
 
RSoxNo1

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Mike S said:
I would add Dragon Challenge to that too. It's a pretty big intrusion in an otherwise perfectly designed land.
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Agreed. I'm not a fan of the steel coasters in the Universal parks, and I actually feel that Dragon Challenge is the most egregious now that it's no longer dueling. I would be disappointed if a Phase 3 expansion of Harry Potter does not include removing this in favor of something better themed.
 
pwnbeaver

pwnbeaver

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Bairstow said:
Aw.
It smells in there...
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Enh, not really. Most of the shops nowadays are hang-outs for college kids and hipsters. The "stereotypical clientele" tends to buy and get out.

There is nothing worse than having to humour people who go on and on about how cool they are for reading comics and shopping at a comic store. I wish every customer was the smelly, angry, hermit fan because at least they are fun to talk to.
 
RSoxNo1

RSoxNo1

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71jason said:
I absolutely blame fathers who don't play a role in their child's upbringing. But it's beyond parents--I'm talking all authority figures. Gen Y was the first where significant numbers of kids, probably the majority, had a female principal, Scout leader, first boss ... It permeates the culture and reaches kids who grew up in a traditional two-parent family, the same way divorce affected the psyche of all of us in Gen X, even those whose parents stayed married. It's a macro view of the culture.

But way off topic here, happy to continue in private messages.

ETA: since we're assigning blame, does that mean we at least found common ground in agreeing Gen Y males seem to go out of their way to avoid conflict? Because that was my larger point.
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I know people will turn this into a political argument, I apologize in advance but I wanted to respond to this

Absentee fathers (it's parents in general, but let's be honest it's father's that majority of the time) are a huge issue. All of this is lumped into unplanned pregnancy. This is the largest problem in our country because so many problems are routed in broken homes. There are some incredible single mothers that do a fantastic job raising well adjusted kids despite no support from an absentee father. But truth be told, without the support of two loving parents many children face an uphill battle that leads to poverty, crime and a repeat of the cycle.

I understand the religious argument against contraception, and I understand the conservative opposition to contraception being covered by government programs. It's not a perfect solution, but if it helps curb unwanted pregnancy I am in favor of it. I can only assume that a child that becomes a function of the system (welfare, prison, whatever system you want to argue for) will cost tax payers more than it will to prevent that child being born to unprepared parents.

There are an infinite number of arguments and counter arguments to this, so if someone wants to continue this I would recommend quoting this and putting it in an off topic thread.
 
RSoxNo1

RSoxNo1

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GoofGoof said:
My kid's playing organized sports has taught me a few additional things:
  • When looking at how the other kid's parents act...I'm not actually that bad of a parent :)
  • A 4 year old will always choose a toy truck over a bat or glove...every time...even if said other kid's parent yells at them repeatedly (see first bullet point)
  • Related to above: never bring toys for your 2 year old to play with to your 5 year old's t-ball game. The 4 year olds on the team will just want to play with them.
  • Just because your kid appears to be asleep in the backseat of the car on your way home you shouldn't talk smack about the other kids on the team or their parents. It's a tricky situation trying to explain to a 5 year old why you called their friend a whinny little B or why you called that kid's dad a d-bag
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I should also say that team activities are probably more important when kids are in their teens. The benefit at a younger age is the exercise but that can be achieved in other ways.
 
Mike S

Mike S

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RSoxNo1 said:
Agreed. I'm not a fan of the steel coasters in the Universal parks, and I actually feel that Dragon Challenge is the most egregious now that it's no longer dueling. I would be disappointed if a Phase 3 expansion of Harry Potter does not include removing this in favor of something better themed.
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Would be a great spot for the Forbidden Forest.
 
GoofGoof

GoofGoof

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RSoxNo1 said:
I should also say that team activities are probably more important when kids are in their teens. The benefit at a younger age is the exercise but that can be achieved in other ways.
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The little kid stuff is just crazy by me. They start soccer at 3 and T-ball at 4. It doesn't even resemble a sport, but the kids like putting on a uniform and running around. They at least maybe learn the value of teamwork and listening, but somehow the listening never transfers to home;).
 

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