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BrianLo

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Heres a decent example of a Disney Marathon that shows how many people walk. Just watch the first few minutes. A majority of the people walking do not look physically fit enough to do 20 push-ups, let alone run over 10 miles. I could only guess they do it to feel good about themselves and possibly brag to friends and coworkers while showing off their medal. Its similar to when people order a double bacon cheeseburger and a tub of fries but get a diet coke to drink to keep the calories lower and feel like they are doing someting about their weight.

Watch at 1:35 when the three ladies just stop in the middle of the road to take pictures and then at 1:45 there is a lady just standing there in the middle. Great etiquette. I also watched several videos of Boston and London marathons and could not find people standing around or blocking the lanes. Im sure it happens, just not as much.



Part of me thinks its good that these people are attempting a marathon and maybe they are trying to get in shape, the other part thinks that if they seriously wanted to get in shape they would be training or hitting the gym first to prepare. I would bet dollars to doughnuts that most of the walkers spend 99% prep time on finding a cool Disney outfit to race in and 1% actually training.


I have a few questions/observations since this is being so heavily discussed:

If you actually "run" wouldn't you get ahead of the human swarm? I appreciate the first ten minutes or so would be tedious and would affect a serious runners time, but you'd get ahead with some savvy maneuvering fairly quickly.

This doesn't actually look dangerous, unless walking into people at a snail's pace in Florida somehow actually causes one severe health issues. This looks more like a normal Magic Kingdom rope drop than an actual race.

That said, I see no issue with the whole practice, it quite literally is the "Mickey mouse" of marathons, and at least it somewhat caters to actually getting people active. Whether they seriously train or not it's at least a starting point and a benchmark.

Obviously corrals are the best answer, but perhaps a simple policy of "pull over" on the right if you want to start walking or need to stop would suffice.
 

DisneyDad1977

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When @PhotoDave219 is CEO of disney can I be in charge of landscaping?

You want trees, you'll get trees. Lots of them. And plenty of flowers and ornamental shrubs and green everywhere.

And benches!
If everybody just gets to choose their title, I want to be head of merchandizing. I promise different and amazing items in every shop. I promise different merch in every parks. Exclusives will abound. Quality will return. Vote for me!
 

Ariel484

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I have a few questions/observations since this is being so heavily discussed:

If you actually "run" wouldn't you get ahead of the human swarm? I appreciate the first ten minutes or so would be tedious and would affect a serious runners time, but you'd get ahead with some savvy maneuvering fairly quickly.
Maneuvering = adding to your overall race distance, so that sucks.

The first 10 minutes or so are always pretty bad. The issue comes back later when the course goes through the parks...the paths get incredibly narrow and bottlenecks happen. I came to a dead stop on Main Street, leaving the castle and when leaving the Magic Kingdom (one-lane road) during the half last year. So corralling is a problem but them not capping the number of registrants at a lower amount also contributes.
This doesn't actually look dangerous, unless walking into people at a snail's pace in Florida somehow actually causes one severe health issues. This looks more like a normal Magic Kingdom rope drop than an actual race.
It becomes dangerous when people trip each other, run into others, or someone falls and gets trampled.
That said, I see no issue with the whole practice, it quite literally is the "Mickey mouse" of marathons, and at least it somewhat caters to actually getting people active. Whether they seriously train or not it's at least a starting point and a benchmark.
I mean...yeah, but it becomes an issue when people decide they want to go from zero to marathon in a few months. It's just not safe or smart, and for whatever reason people want to go straight to the marathon or one of the "challenges" (multiple races on consecutive days) rather than making sure they can do, say, a 5K first. Then you get people that cannot keep up with the required pace or try to do too much too soon and end up injured (something I read a lot of on the other Disney board...tons of stress fractures).
Obviously corrals are the best answer, but perhaps a simple policy of "pull over" on the right if you want to start walking or need to stop would suffice.
I agree. "Walkers to the right," walk no more than 2-3 across, etc. ARE standard race etiquette practices, and Disney prints this in their race programs. Think anyone reads and/or follows those suggestions???
 

lazyboy97o

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The thought of a third theme park at Universal Orlando Resort just doesn't get me excited. I just don't see Universal not continuing with the intellectual property specific lands and that is just not something that overly excites me. The idea of a water park with more traditional theme park rides gets me more intrigued, but I still expect that similar conception of single focus lands.
 

NoChesterHester

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The thought of a third theme park at Universal Orlando Resort just doesn't get me excited. I just don't see Universal not continuing with the intellectual property specific lands and that is just not something that overly excites me. The idea of a water park with more traditional theme park rides gets me more intrigued, but I still expect that similar conception of single focus lands.

Well if it makes you feel any better the thought of the third theme park in its current state at WDW doesn't get me very excited either.
 

flynnibus

Premium Member
If you actually "run" wouldn't you get ahead of the human swarm? I appreciate the first ten minutes or so would be tedious and would affect a serious runners time, but you'd get ahead with some savvy maneuvering fairly quickly.

If if were you and 100 other people.. yes. But it's you and 20k other people. You don't line 20k people up next to each other. They line you up in 'corals' which are big holding areas and release corals in waves. It's supposed to be fastest people up front so the crowd stretches out.. but when you put slow people up front.. you have the back of the crowd running into the front of the crowd... and hence the problem.

Imagine trying to run down main street on a crowded MK day.. dodging around people. Now do that for MILES and do it in something you are trying to run your best time in.

This doesn't actually look dangerous, unless walking into people at a snail's pace in Florida somehow actually causes one severe health issues

Run.. and then have someone just stop right in front of you. Run and twist your ankle trying to dodge people. Watch what happens when someone trips in a crowd of 100 people and with 5,000 people running up behind them. Watch what happens when people trip on curbs, different surfaces, etc.

Since people have no frame of reference. Here's a photo to give you some perspective. This is the Army Ten Miler in 2006 at Mile Marker 5. 5 MILES into the race.. and look at how thick the crowd is still

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Look out to the right to where the photo drops off.. yes.. that is still a solid mass of people as far as you can see. It goes on like this for ages. This is not 'sprint 10 minutes and you are in the clear'.

That said, I see no issue with the whole practice, it quite literally is the "Mickey mouse" of marathons, and at least it somewhat caters to actually getting people active. Whether they seriously train or not it's at least a starting point and a benchmark.

Obviously corrals are the best answer, but perhaps a simple policy of "pull over" on the right if you want to start walking or need to stop would suffice.

'would suffice' :rolleyes: - take a look at a real race and understand the magnitude of what we are talking about here.
 

Next Big Thing

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Do they give out awards just for finishing the Boston Marathon?

If a runner finishes a race, how much more concrete proof do they need that they indeed finished it?

Do I think it's necessary that someone who doesn't finish it gets an award? No. But is it that big of a deal for a race in WDW? Not really.
I can't say if they still do, but they sure as hell used to. My mom received one when she finished it in the early 2000's.

I haven't been keeping up with this whole runDisney debate though. What is the big deal? I don't get it. People run the races because it's something they want to do and they pay a lot of money to do it. I don't see why getting a medal is such a hard point for some of you.
 

Darth Sidious

Authentically Disney Distinctly Chinese
Corporate Disney is aware of the benefits of a Star Wars themed land in DHS. Unless there is a financial earthquake, it will happen.

Eventually.

The primary issue is funding. Senior executive management is reluctant to invest too much in Parks & Resorts (P&R) at any one time.

After being at near-record low levels during Iger's first 4 years, P&R investing activities as a percent of revenue maxed out under Iger at about 23% in 2011 & 2012. (Before 9/11, Eisner averaged more than this number.) At the time, Iger and Rasulo were fielding a lot of questions from Wall Street along the lines of "When are you going to reduce P&R investments?"

In 2013, P&R investment as a percent of revenue was at 15%, placating Wall Street.

For the first six months of the current fiscal year, this was at 15.6%.

Disney publically has committed to 43% ownership in Shanghai Disneyland or about $2.4B. Along with Pandora, a desire for additional cruise ships, and the unexpected MyMagic+ cost overruns, there's been a strong reluctance to initiate additional P&R spending until current expenditures ramp down.

There is a rumor that the Star Wars Land announcement was delayed because of a desire to tie-in the latest trilogy content to the new land. There is truth to this but to the suites in the corner offices, this also is a convenient smokescreen to delay capital outlays until investments are at acceptable levels.

Some within Disney want to spend now to get the project completed sooner. They view it as a golden opportunity to strike while the new films are being released, fix WDW’s worst park, take advantage of an improving economy, and have it act as a much-desired "Potter Swatter" to knock the wind out of Universal's sails (and sales :D). However, this is by no means a consensus. Executive A will say one thing because that's what they want to see happen while Executive B will say the polar opposite because that's what they want to see happen.

One way or the other, the sentiment is to make Star Wars Land happen unless there is an economic crisis.

Don't forget Executive B saying the polar opposite not because they believe it is in the best interest of the company but rather to play politics against Executive A. I've seen that wonderful scenario play out quite a bit.
 

CDavid

Well-Known Member
Just an observation: Car Masters Weekend is quite possibly the perfect event. Well over a 100 cars with appeal to "car guys" and the general public, informative Q&As, lots for the kids to do.

Much like the Typhoon Lagoon anniversary party, saw zero lifestylers covering it. Seen hardly any commentary on the boards. Seriously, you could find more pics of the walls surrounding the 7D coaster online than of both events combined.

I think this shows just how limited the lifestyler/fanboi mentality is. Now back to your previous WDW/UOR or whatever debate...

Which is a shame, among other things, because car masters is an event I'd actually like to see coverage on. I can relate to the interest in seeing a rare or high performance 'supercar', as opposed to people (strangely) obsessed over a young female CM dressed up as Anna or Elsa.

Maneuvering = adding to your overall race distance, so that sucks.

The first 10 minutes or so are always pretty bad. The issue comes back later when the course goes through the parks...the paths get incredibly narrow and bottlenecks happen. I came to a dead stop on Main Street, leaving the castle and when leaving the Magic Kingdom (one-lane road) during the half last year. So corralling is a problem but them not capping the number of registrants at a lower amount also contributes.

It becomes dangerous when people trip each other, run into others, or someone falls and gets trampled.

I mean...yeah, but it becomes an issue when people decide they want to go from zero to marathon in a few months. It's just not safe or smart, and for whatever reason people want to go straight to the marathon or one of the "challenges" (multiple races on consecutive days) rather than making sure they can do, say, a 5K first. Then you get people that cannot keep up with the required pace or try to do too much too soon and end up injured (something I read a lot of on the other Disney board...tons of stress fractures).

I agree. "Walkers to the right," walk no more than 2-3 across, etc. ARE standard race etiquette practices, and Disney prints this in their race programs. Think anyone reads and/or follows those suggestions???

If if were you and 100 other people.. yes. But it's you and 20k other people. You don't line 20k people up next to each other. They line you up in 'corals' which are big holding areas and release corals in waves. It's supposed to be fastest people up front so the crowd stretches out.. but when you put slow people up front.. you have the back of the crowd running into the front of the crowd... and hence the problem.

Imagine trying to run down main street on a crowded MK day.. dodging around people. Now do that for MILES and do it in something you are trying to run your best time in.

Run.. and then have someone just stop right in front of you. Run and twist your ankle trying to dodge people. Watch what happens when someone trips in a crowd of 100 people and with 5,000 people running up behind them. Watch what happens when people trip on curbs, different surfaces, etc.

Since people have no frame of reference. Here's a photo to give you some perspective. This is the Army Ten Miler in 2006 at Mile Marker 5. 5 MILES into the race.. and look at how thick the crowd is still

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Look out to the right to where the photo drops off.. yes.. that is still a solid mass of people as far as you can see. It goes on like this for ages. This is not 'sprint 10 minutes and you are in the clear'.

'would suffice' :rolleyes: - take a look at a real race and understand the magnitude of what we are talking about here.

I'll be the first to admit, you could write everything I know about running on the back of a postage stamp, with room left over, but it sounds like the solution is better policing of the corrals and, perhaps, a wider race corridor for at least the first few miles. How about a separate marked 'lane' for walkers only, and immediately sweep anyone (regardless of pace) caught walking in the running lane?

Such events are always going to be crowded, which begs the question, how much worse are the Disney races for walkers/slower runners and the like than other events around the country with a similar number of participants? Are there similar problems everywhere, or is this unique to Disney?

Just my opinion, but while I'd give everyone a 'certificate of participation' and whatever swag goes with the event, reserve medals for those who actually finish.

Another site is claiming Indy will be closing at the end of the year.
http://www.disneydining.com/big-changes-coming-disneys-hollywood-studios/

We've all seen it before. One site posts an unsubstantiated rumor, and dozens of other sites follow suit. All from the same overeager 'source', or worse, someone just making stuff up.
 
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