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Goofyernmost

Well-Known Member
Or simply buy a case of DiHydrogen Monoxide or Oxygen DiHydride (your choice) and carry some bottles in with you :) cheaper and no waiting in lines.
Heck, before I would go through all the trouble of trying to spell DiHydrogen Monoxide, I think I would just buy my own bottled water and bring it in with me. It seems like it would be a lot easier. :joyfull: After all, for some reason, it tastes exactly the same. :angelic:
 

hpyhnt 1000

Well-Known Member
@ParentsOf4: Any indication that MM+ has led to any kind of sustained increase in resort occupancy numbers now that it has been rolled out for all guests? Also, do you know if Disney breaks down what percentage of purchases are made via an account linked to a Magic Band? Based on my anecdotal observations, it seemed to be that, apart from guests using DDP, not many people were using their Magic Bands to buy stuff.
 

jakeman

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Not true recently. I have been in Florida for only eight years and until last year or the year before the public could sign up to get in free if they agreed to stay on the parade route for the taping. First come first admitted. Many friends and neighbors did so. They were escorted in a separate entrance gate and ushered to spots on the route. But some would then leave when they found out the taping was a multiple hour process and enjoy the rest of the park for free. That is probably why it was stopped. 16 years ago you might be right, but not recently.
Well that's a bit different. You didn't say that the public was excluded only that the crowd was made up of cast members.
 

ford91exploder

Resident Curmudgeon
Why would one need to stay away if they are on HMG-CoA reductase inhibitors?

Other than the fact that, in general, that patient population should be more mindful of following a healthy lifestyle there is no contraindication or drug-food interaction between "statins" and red meat.

If you have been following the In-N-Out 'Animal Style', What we have been discussing is a 3-4000 calorie meal with fats off the charts - burgers with 4 patties etc, Not something you should eat on a regular basis if you are on Statins and something that should be enjoyed on a very occasional basis by the rest of us. The meals being described are the definition of a unhealthy food choice.

While I enjoy going to In-N-Out, I get this maybe ONCE a year and don't bother eating for the next day because calorie budget is blown for 2 days with a 4x4 animal style with animal style fries and a neapolitan shake.
 

ford91exploder

Resident Curmudgeon
I don't know if I'd call MyMagic+ the worst thing to happen at WDW in a long time. Opinions seem to be decidedly mixed. There are many who genuinely are happy with it. It seems like a natural for those who already enjoy planning their ADRs 180 days out.

The bigger question is whether MyMagic+ has been a financial success.

So far, the answer is ‘no’.

To appreciate MyMagic+’s tepid performance, it’s helpful to compare the current fiscal year’s results with baseline results from previous years. Let’s look at Parks & Resorts (P&R) domestic results since 2011:

Revenue Annual Growth
  • 2011-2013 average: 10.7%
  • 2014: 8.2%
Per Capita Guest Spending (PCGS) Annual Growth
  • 2011-2013 average: 7.7%
  • 2014: 7.0%
Per Room Guest Spending (PRGS) Annual Growth
  • 2010-2013 average: 6.0%
  • 2014: 4.9%
Rather than improve performance, growth has slowed in MyMagic+’s first year of use.

It’s doubtful that this slowing is a result of MyMagic+. Rather, it’s likely the result of other business decisions made in the years leading up to MyMagic+.

From 2011 to 2013, Disney aggressively increased prices at the theme parks, much faster than consumer income. As a result, theme park spending slowed in 2014 even as Disney unveiled MyMagic+, Seven Dwarfs Mine Train (SDMT), and Frozen-themed offerings. People simply could not afford to pay Disney’s higher prices, no matter what Disney offered.

Demand was there. Both WDW and Universal saw record crowds this summer while Orlando area hotels had a bumper year in a slowly improving economy. SDMT, Frozen, and Diagon Alley were popular draws.

However, MyMagic+ (which was intended to increase per person spending) was largely ineffective because WDW’s customer base could not keep pace with Disney’s price increases.

A lot of this is timing. If corporate Disney had deferred the 2011-2013 price increases to coincide with the launch of MyMagic+, MyMagic+ could have been declared a major success. Instead, Disney pretty much guaranteed MyMagic+’s sagging performance through its earlier decisions.

MyMagic+ wasn’t a bad idea; however, it was poorly executed. MyMagic+ was an incredibly complex project, well outside of Disney’s comfort zone, and Disney leadership had a difficult time managing it. Its costs grossly overran budget, while the system continues to experience numerous technical glitches.

Disney executives jumped on the MyMagic+ bandwagon in part because they lacked the background necessary to fully understand its many intricate parts.

MyMagic+ appealed to Disney executives because of how its costs were structured. Unlike traditional brick-and-mortar attractions, MyMagic+’s costs were buried in other P&R expenses; over $1 billion in operating expense (opex) plus another $500 million in selling, general & administrative expense (SG&A). A relatively modest $400 million was spent as capital expenditures (capex). This appealed to executives responsible for green-lighting MyMagic+ since their compensation packages were (and still are) designed to discourage capex investments.

MyMagic+ should have been used to draw Guests onsite. Magic Bands should have remained an exclusive onsite-only perk while numbers from the one quarter when MyMagic+ was an onsite only benefit suggest that it significantly increased hotel occupancy.

Under the right circumstances, MyMagic+ could have been a rousing success. However, between the 2011-2013 price increases, the inability to control costs or manage its complexities, and the decision to minimize onsite vs. offsite benefits, MyMagic+ has proven to be an expense gimmick with disappointing financial returns.

Thanks as always for the detailed analysis, I agree that MM+ was a deeply flawed implementation which is continuing to have knock on negative impacts on P&R investments.

You are correct that for the 'hyperplanner' segment of WDW guests, MM+ is highly satisfatctory system however for those with a more moderate touring style MM+ has indeed been one of the worst things to happen as it has inflated standby times to insane levels.

When I was at WDW last Monday (15'th) the Standby wait for Peter Pan was 180 minutes and FP was 50 minutes. In 30+ years of WDW I have NEVER seen waits like that except for NYE.

MM+'s other fault is it's brittle when it breaks it literally takes HOURS to resolve a problem, I feel bad for the GR CM who I spent 3 hours with because he probably got dinged for his problem resolution count that day.

The problem was manifestly NOT his fault yet he gets dinged because his guests per hour count is skewed by a single problem, The 7 days I was there I was completely unable to link my passport to MDE because system says 'claimed by another guest' (who does not exist). I took baby swap duty the week I was there because I wanted to spend family time rather than fight every day at GR, Effectively rides were pretty much closed to me the week I was there.

How is this acceptable in any universe. I was lucky to get ADMISSION working, Charging to MB as you would expect worked perfectly.
 

ford91exploder

Resident Curmudgeon
@ParentsOf4: Any indication that MM+ has led to any kind of sustained increase in resort occupancy numbers now that it has been rolled out for all guests? Also, do you know if Disney breaks down what percentage of purchases are made via an account linked to a Magic Band? Based on my anecdotal observations, it seemed to be that, apart from guests using DDP, not many people were using their Magic Bands to buy stuff.

interestingly enough I got a peek at the BLT/Contemporary tally sheet while I was there DVC was 94.x% occupancy, Cash was 76.x%
 

ford91exploder

Resident Curmudgeon
Not true recently. I have been in Florida for only eight years and until last year or the year before the public could sign up to get in free if they agreed to stay on the parade route for the taping. First come first admitted. Many friends and neighbors did so. They were escorted in a separate entrance gate and ushered to spots on the route. But some would then leave when they found out the taping was a multiple hour process and enjoy the rest of the park for free. That is probably why it was stopped. 16 years ago you might be right, but not recently.

More evidence of the 'Anything for a buck' mentality wafting from CP these days
 

GrammieBee

Well-Known Member
I was being very specific. Taking care of yourself includes precluding injury and illness but we're all going to die in the end anyway. The point is to make sure your quality of life is always top notch. Physical and mental fitness can not be taken for granted. It takes a lot of hard work. Jack LaLanne was still performing his daily physical workouts up until the day of his death at the age of 96. I think we should all strive for better health if for no other reason than we won't become a burden to our families.


If you get to your late seventies or eighties and can still walk around any Disney park for an entire day without ever having to sit down---all I can say is more power to you.

I agree that many people should take better care of themselves, but, you never had polio when you were thirteen and still went hiking, backpacking and mountain climbing until things sort of collapsed when you hit your late fifties. One shoe size does not fit all. No one plans on being, or wants to be, a burden to their families. The best way to avoid that is to have tons of money so no matter what happens you can have some type of independent living. I repeat, despite your best efforts, sometimes happens.
 

jakeman

Well-Known Member
If you have been following the In-N-Out 'Animal Style', What we have been discussing is a 3-4000 calorie meal with fats off the charts - burgers with 4 patties etc, Not something you should eat on a regular basis if you are on Statins and something that should be enjoyed on a very occasional basis by the rest of us. The meals being described are the definition of a unhealthy food choice.

While I enjoy going to In-N-Out, I get this maybe ONCE a year and don't bother eating for the next day because calorie budget is blown for 2 days with a 4x4 animal style with animal style fries and a neapolitan shake.
Why did you single out statins (which, by the way, shouldn't be capitalized)? Why not nicotinic acid? Bile acid resins? Fibrates?

In fact bile acid resins would have more applicable as they block the re-absorption of bile back into the liver and would be most affected by a food high in cholesterol. This would lead to more immediate side effects.
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
MyMagic+ appealed to Disney executives because of how its costs were structured. Unlike traditional brick-and-mortar attractions, MyMagic+’s costs were buried in other P&R expenses; over $1 billion in operating expense (opex) plus another $500 million in selling, general & administrative expense (SG&A). A relatively modest $400 million was spent as capital expenditures (capex). This appealed to executives responsible for green-lighting MyMagic+ since their compensation packages were (and still are) designed to discourage capex investments.
Good post as usual. I grabbed this portion of it since I think it's really fascinating. I don't think I've seen a breakout like this before for the project. Is this a best guess based on public documents or some inside info?

So when we talk about MM+ costing $2B this is the breakdown. I think the $400M for capex makes a lot of sense. That would include things like hardware (door locks, cash registers, FP scanners, front gate scanners, etc...) and software developed under the project. They would also be able to capitalize direct labor involved with building out the system (programmers, technicians and the guys physically installing the hardware). All of that adding up to $400M makes sense.

$500M for SG&A seems like a lot, but I suspect that some of the website work as well as the marketing and promotions is included in that number. Probably some of the extra head count needed for customer call centers. Still seems high. There is probably something else buried in there that I'm not thinking of.

$1B for operating expenses also seems like a lot. I know they were throwing a lot of bodies at the testing and roll out phases. This most likely where the major overruns occurred. Extra CMs to help guests during rollout in both IT and in the parks. I also wonder if WDW ops managers where not padding their own results by shifting workers expenses under the project. I've seen it happen on a number of projects. If you want something done in your department but don't want to blow your budget charge it off to a project. If your bonus is tied to your performance vs budget and you can get the expenses for X number of employees that are budgeted in your department shifted to a project your results look great.

So in theory if everything else was held constant operating expense should drop significantly now that MM+ is rolled out and as a result gross margin should be up. I wonder what the breakout was supposed to be under the original $900M budget. I bet the capex isn't far off but the other 2 areas are probably bloated.
 

EPCOTCenterLover

Well-Known Member
I'm from California. In-and-Out is ok. Just ok.
TV special- Robin came across like a Disney spokesperson. I liked Tebow. He's a nice kid with an easy going attitude.
Frozen- enough. Let it go from here until the attractions are built.
 

PhotoDave219

Well-Known Member
I don't know if I'd call MyMagic+ the worst thing to happen at WDW in a long time. Opinions seem to be decidedly mixed. There are many who genuinely are happy with it. It seems like a natural for those who already enjoy planning their ADRs 180 days out.

The bigger question is whether MyMagic+ has been a financial success.

So far, the answer is ‘no’.

To appreciate MyMagic+’s tepid performance, it’s helpful to compare the current fiscal year’s results with baseline results from previous years. Let’s look at Parks & Resorts (P&R) domestic results since 2011:

Revenue Annual Growth
  • 2011-2013 average: 10.7%
  • 2014: 8.2%
Per Capita Guest Spending (PCGS) Annual Growth
  • 2011-2013 average: 7.7%
  • 2014: 7.0%
Per Room Guest Spending (PRGS) Annual Growth
  • 2011-2013 average: 6.0%
  • 2014: 4.9%
Rather than improve performance, growth has slowed in MyMagic+’s first year of use.

It’s doubtful that this slowing is a result of MyMagic+. Rather, it’s likely the result of other business decisions made in the years leading up to MyMagic+.

From 2011 to 2013, Disney aggressively increased prices at the theme parks, much faster than consumer income. As a result, theme park spending slowed in 2014 even as Disney unveiled MyMagic+, Seven Dwarfs Mine Train (SDMT), and Frozen-themed offerings. People simply could not afford to pay Disney’s higher prices, no matter what Disney offered.

Demand was there. Both WDW and Universal saw record crowds this summer while Orlando area hotels had a bumper year in a slowly improving economy. SDMT, Frozen, and Diagon Alley were popular draws.

However, MyMagic+ (which was intended to increase per person spending) was largely ineffective because WDW’s customer base could not keep pace with Disney’s price increases.

A lot of this is timing. If corporate Disney had deferred the 2011-2013 price increases to coincide with the launch of MyMagic+, MyMagic+ could have been declared a major success. Instead, Disney pretty much guaranteed MyMagic+’s sagging performance through its earlier decisions.

MyMagic+ wasn’t a bad idea; however, it was poorly executed. MyMagic+ was an incredibly complex project, well outside of Disney’s comfort zone, and Disney leadership had a difficult time managing it. Its costs grossly overran budget, while the system continues to experience numerous technical glitches.

Disney executives jumped on the MyMagic+ bandwagon in part because they lacked the background necessary to fully understand its many intricate parts.

MyMagic+ appealed to Disney executives because of how its costs were structured. Unlike traditional brick-and-mortar attractions, MyMagic+’s costs were buried in other P&R expenses; over $1 billion in operating expense (opex) plus another $500 million in selling, general & administrative expense (SG&A). A relatively modest $400 million was spent as capital expenditures (capex). This appealed to executives responsible for green-lighting MyMagic+ since their compensation packages were (and still are) designed to discourage capex investments.

MyMagic+ should have been used to draw Guests onsite. Magic Bands should have remained an exclusive onsite-only perk while numbers from the one quarter when MyMagic+ was an onsite only benefit suggest that it significantly increased hotel occupancy.

Under the right circumstances, MyMagic+ could have been a rousing success. However, between the 2011-2013 price increases, the inability to control costs or manage its complexities, and the decision to minimize onsite vs. offsite benefits, MyMagic+ has proven to be an expense gimmick with disappointing financial returns.

Well considering that every manager worth their salt managed to find their own pet project somehow attached to NexGen and budget, Plus all the ancillary costs are pretty much in shored there's no way it's going to break even. Not in the lifespan of the technology.
 

fillerup

Well-Known Member
Couple of post Christmas random items.....

Even if Disney burgers could be described as edible, it's an unforgivable culinary sin to put the cheese on the underside of the patty. That alone should disqualify them from any menu anywhere.

We paid our annual Christmas afternoon visit to the Epcot resorts to mooch free cookies and cider. We were politely turned away at the Yacht - "Our restaurants are fully booked so only registered guests or people with reservations can park at Beach or Yacht. Try the Boardwalk."

We could see as we u-turned to leave that the Convention Center parking lot was dead empty. No worries. We were cheerily allowed in at the Beach and directed to Villa parking. It was less than half full as it usually is and the cookies were pretty good.
 

ParentsOf4

Well-Known Member
@ParentsOf4: Any indication that MM+ has led to any kind of sustained increase in resort occupancy numbers now that it has been rolled out for all guests?
So far, Metro Orlando hotel occupancy is up 4% in 2014, the same as WDW.

When multiple variables change as they did in 2014, it's nearly impossible to assign any change to specific causes. However, since WDW hotels fared the same as Orlando area hotels, and since hotels near WDW had higher occupancy rates than Disney hotels, it seems safe to suggest that nothing Disney did affected the ratio of onsite vs. offsite Guest.

My opinion is that an improving economy, SDMT, Frozen-at-the-parks, and Diagon Alley all helped improve the Orlando tourism industry in 2014.

I'm doubtful that MyMagic+ contributed significantly. Certainly, Iger and Rasulo would have trumpeted MyMagic+ if they could have pointed to something concrete. Instead, it was more of the same old "still in ramp-up mode" message we've been hearing for 2 years; difficult to swallow when every single Guest has access to MyMagic+.

I'm not sure Disney ever was able to successfully advertise the benefits of MyMagic+ to the general public. MyMagic+ is difficult to explain and I never thought its 30-second spots were effective. It's easier to show a new roller coaster (e.g. SDMT) than a 60 vs. 30-day advanced FastPass+ selection advantage. The MyMagic+ ads I viewed were moronic.

Disneyphiles (like us) debated the pros and cons of MyMagic+ endlessly, but I sense it never caught the public's fancy the way Frozen-at-the-parks or Diagon Alley did.

SDMT's huge lines show the public craves new attractions. Upcoming enhancements at DAK and DHS will be extremely popular.

Disney's greatest risk is its long development cycles. Historically, amusement park goers defer visits once they hear something new is in the works, and the upcoming big announcement at DHS could hurt WDW's numbers for a few years. Disney is wise to pretend nothing is happening for as long as possible.

Those of us old enough to well remember the 1980s and 1990s learned to plan trips every year because we knew we'd see something new every visit. Today's low investment levels are teaching Disney fans that it's OK to go multiple years between trips.
 
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