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RivieraJenn

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Matt7187 said:
Exactly. I'm not going to eat an apple when I'm on vacation. Too many good foods that I would miss out on if I tried to eat healthy. That's what home is for.
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But, see, that's the problem right there. When Disney (and they aren't the only ones) wants to offer a "healthy" option, they say, "Here, have an apple or some carrot sticks in a bag. Now we can check 'healthy option' off the list." I want to see creative healthy options. I want to see something that makes me crave it. I want to see something I don't already have sitting in my fridge. It's completely possible to offer options that people don't even see as the "healthy option"...just as some really delicious looking food that only happens to be better for them. My household follows a low-carb lifestyle due to a couple of different health issues in the family that we've found are best managed that way. And over the years I've developed a plethora of recipes that don't feel like health food. It just takes a little outside-the-box thinking.
 
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Disneyhead'71

Disneyhead'71

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Cesar R M said:
I never imagined how my black pot is now irrelevant and outdated. (and I'm not in the mod to get an orange one) :(
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Orange pots rock!

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GoofGoof

GoofGoof

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RivieraJenn said:
But, see, that's the problem right there. When Disney (and they aren't the only ones) wants to offer a "healthy" option, they say, "Here, have an apple or some carrot sticks in a bag. Now we can check 'healthy option' off the list." I want to see creative healthy options. I want to see something that makes me crave it. I want to see something I don't already have sitting in my fridge. It's completely possible to offer options that people don't even see as the "healthy option"...just as some really delicious looking food that only happens to be better for them. My household follows a low-carb lifestyle due to a couple of different health issues in the family that we've found are best managed that way. And over the years I've developed a plethora of recipes that don't feel like health food.
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I think the point is that the demand for what you are suggesting isn't really there. It's not that Disney doesn't offer appealing, healthy food so people just settle for a burger and fries or a Mickey ice cream bar...people want the burger and fries. They may eat a salad and/or fruit every day at work for lunch and while they are on vacation they want to splurge and have a burger and fries. Same with dinner. I rarely get out to have a nice steak for dinner, but when I'm on vacation I'll treat myself and I'm getting mashed potatoes and probably a few beers with it too:) if I ate that way every day I'd probably drop dead (and be flat broke).
 
TP2000

TP2000

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ford91exploder said:
DCA's 1.0 was dropping every year so the expansion was greenlit, DHS does not have that problem or did not pre-closures So TDO will build just enough to maintain revenues at historic norms, Yes there IS a large budget but there is no law saying TDO has to USE all of it. Sorry Fanboi's but that's reality.
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I'm confused there. Per the historical info from the TEA reports, DCA's attendance was rising every year through the 2000's, and had some of the highest rated individual attractions in Anaheim (Soarin', Screamin', Tower, Aladdin) when the 1.2 Billion extreme makeover was announced. Modest rises in attendance to be sure, but a general upward trend for both DCA and Anaheim overall.

2000 - Disneyland 13.9 = Anaheim Total 13.9 Million (Disneyland Resort expansion ends construction)
2001 - Disneyland 12.3, DCA 5.0 = Anaheim Total 17.3 Million (DCA opens February 8, 2001, falls on face)
2002 - Disneyland 12.7, DCA 4.7 = Anaheim Total 17.7 Million (DCA's A Bug's Land opens October)
2003 - Disneyland 12.7, DCA 5.3 = Anaheim Total 18.0 Million (DCA's Alladin musical opens May)
2004 - Disneyland 13.3, DCA 5.6 = Anaheim Total 18.9 Million (DCA's Tower of Terror opens May)
2005 - Disneyland 14.5, DCA 5.8 = Anaheim Total 20.3 Million
2006 - Disneyland 14.7, DCA 6.0 = Anaheim Total 20.7 Million (Al Lutz leaks info DCA makeover in the works)
2007 - Disneyland 14.9, DCA 5.8 = Anaheim Total 20.7 Million (DCA Extreme Makeover announced by Iger)
2008 - Disneyland 14.8, DCA 5.5 = Anaheim Total 20.3 Million (Economy implodes, banking crisis)
2009 - Disneyland 15.9, DCA 6.1 = Anaheim Total 22.0 Million
2010 - Disneyland 16.0, DCA 6.3 = Anaheim Total 22.3 Million (DCA's World of Color opens June)
2011 - Disneyland 16.1, DCA 6.3 = Anaheim Total 22.4 Million (DCA's Little Mermaid opens May)
2012 - Disneyland 16.0, DCA 7.8 = Anaheim Total 23.8 Million (DCA's makeover complete, Cars Land opens June)
2013 - Disneyland 16.2, DCA 8.0 = Anaheim Total 24.2 Million (first full year of operation for DCA 2.0)

Publicly admitted to by Iger and key creative execs (Lasseter, Weis, Mangum), the 1.2 Billion and the attention DCA got was to tie the park together aesthetically and thematically, rub out the rough spots caused by Pressler's cheap budget in the late 1990's, and open a kick-butt mega E Ticket at the end of the project to get everyone flocking to see the new DCA. And it worked beyond Burbank and TDA's wildest dreams.

What will Iger and Lasseter and Kathy Mangum say the DHS makeover is designed to do, I wonder?
 
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RivieraJenn

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GoofGoof said:
I think the point is that the demand for what you are suggesting isn't really there. It's not that Disney doesn't offer appealing, healthy food so people just settle for a burger and fries or a Mickey ice cream bar...people want the burger and fries. They may eat a salad and/or fruit every day at work for lunch and while they are on vacation they want to splurge and have a burger and fries. Same with dinner. I rarely get out to have a nice steak for dinner, but when I'm on vacation I'll treat myself and I'm getting mashed potatoes and probably a few beers with it too:) if I ate that way every day I'd probably drop dead (and be flat broke).
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I see what you're saying, but I don't look at it that way. For example, it's the middle of the afternoon, and I'm ready for a snack. I want something healthy, so I stop by one of the market-type stands. I see the exact same boring stuff at every single one--diced melon, carrot and celery sticks, apple slices. Now I'm bored. I want to stick to my healthy lifestyle, but the only options are so dreadfully uninspired that I don't buy anything. So Disney says, "There's no demand for healthy food."

Conversely, let's say they're offering a small portion of fire-roasted veggies with a tahini dipping sauce. You're walking by and notice the attractively photographed dish on a sign and catch a whiff of something that smells delicious. You had no intention of seeking out something healthy...you were probably going to have some fries later...but here you are.

And to be completely fair, there are SOME options available like this, if you really seek them out. I'd just like to see more creativity and fewer carrot sticks.
 
Jose

Jose

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TP2000 said:
I'm confused there. Per the historical info from the TEA reports, DCA's attendance was rising every year through the 2000's, and had some of the highest rated individual attractions in Anaheim (Soarin', Screamin', Tower, Aladdin) when the 1.2 Billion extreme makeover was announced. Modest rises in attendance to be sure, but a general upward trend for both DCA and Anaheim overall.

2000 - Disneyland 13.9 = Anaheim Total 13.9 Million (Disneyland Resort expansion ends construction)
2001 - Disneyland 12.3, DCA 5.0 = Anaheim Total 17.3 Million (DCA opens February 8, 2001, falls on face)
2002 - Disneyland 12.7, DCA 4.7 = Anaheim Total 17.7 Million (DCA's A Bug's Land opens October)
2003 - Disneyland 12.7, DCA 5.3 = Anaheim Total 18.0 Million (DCA's Alladin musical opens May)
2004 - Disneyland 13.3, DCA 5.6 = Anaheim Total 18.9 Million (DCA's Tower of Terror opens May)
2005 - Disneyland 14.5, DCA 5.8 = Anaheim Total 20.3 Million
2006 - Disneyland 14.7, DCA 6.0 = Anaheim Total 20.7 Million (Al Lutz leaks info DCA makeover in the works)
2007 - Disneyland 14.9, DCA 5.8 = Anaheim Total 20.7 Million (DCA Extreme Makeover announced by Iger)
2008 - Disneyland 14.8, DCA 5.5 = Anaheim Total 20.3 Million (Economy implodes, banking crisis)
2009 - Disneyland 15.9, DCA 6.1 = Anaheim Total 22.0 Million
2010 - Disneyland 16.0, DCA 6.3 = Anaheim Total 22.3 Million (DCA's World of Color opens June)
2011 - Disneyland 16.1, DCA 6.3 = Anaheim Total 22.4 Million (DCA's Little Mermaid opens May)
2012 - Disneyland 16.0, DCA 7.8 = Anaheim Total 23.8 Million (DCA's makeover complete, Cars Land opens June)
2013 - Disneyland 16.2, DCA 8.0 = Anaheim Total 24.2 Million (first full year of operation for DCA 2.0)

Publicly admitted to by Iger and key creative execs (Lasseter, Weis, Mangum), the 1.2 Billion and the attention DCA got was to tie the park together aesthetically and thematically, rub out the rough spots caused by Pressler's cheap budget in the late 1990's, and open a kick-butt mega E Ticket at the end of the project to get everyone flocking to see the new DCA. And it worked beyond Burbank and TDA's wildest dreams.

What will Iger and Lasseter and Kathy Mangum say the DHS makeover is designed to do, I wonder?
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TO SAVE THE PARK. :hilarious:
 
the.dreamfinder

the.dreamfinder

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From Soup and Salad Sandra:
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/business/os-disney-mira-lago-20141108-story.html
Disney's Mira Lago purchase may pave way to develop other wetlands - Orlando Sentinel
For years, environmentalists have tried to prevent 3,000 acres of land called Mira Lago, bordering the Disney Wilderness Preserve, from becoming a housing development.

Now, Walt Disney Parks and Resorts has bought the property in Osceola and Polk counties with plans to conserve it. Environmentalists hail the purchase as a triumph. It also signals major growth on the way: In exchange for saving Mira Lago, Disney World wants permissionto develop up to 350 acres of wetlands during the next 20 years.

Disney's purchase of Mira Lago, said Charles Lee of Audubon Florida, is "going to be a huge conservation victory for Central Florida." Disney's plans for the property include restoring wetlands, starting controlled burns and controlling nuisance and exotic plants. Disney also hopes to enhance upland habitats for the Florida scrub jay and red cockaded woodpecker.

The wetland acreage Disney wants government approval to develop in return is about the same amount as the resort's total wetland impacts during the past two decades, which included development of Celebration and Animal Kingdom.

"Three hundred and fifty acres … is a significant wetlands impact in Central Florida," attorney and conservationist Clay Henderson said. "That's a big number for around here."

Disney did not make executives available for an interview. A spokeswoman said the company wants flexibility for long-term planning, including for new roads. Disney has about 12,000 acres of wetlands on its 45 square miles.

Disney is seeking approval from the South Florida Water Management District and U.S. Army Corps of Engineers for its plans. South Florida Water Management District spokesman Randy Smith said regulators want Disney to provide more information on the location of the wetlands it wants to impact. A permit application says they would be across Disney's property to accommodate expansion of theme parks, resorts and "support areas." It does not provide details.

The Disney company bought the Mira Lago site July 31, paying $11.5 million.

The site lies west of the Disney Wilderness Preserve, about 20 miles southeast of Disney World. That nature sanctuary was established in 1992 through an agreement in which Disney bought a former cattle ranch and donated it to the Nature Conservancy. In exchange for that, Disney received regulators' permission to destroy 600 acres of wetlands.

About half of those 600 acres have been impacted so far, Smith said. Disney's newest request would bring the total up to 950 acres of wetlands permitted for development.

It's standard practice, called mitigation, for developers to buy and protect an area of land in exchange for building on wetlands elsewhere.

The 12,000-acre Disney preserve, at the headwaters of the Everglades water system, is widely viewed as an environmental success. Land has been restored to near its original state as it was first described by Spanish missionaries. Nature lovers hike and watch birds there.

Next door at Mira Lago, however, a development group called Avatar Properties had the rights to build about 4,000 homes.

Development would have cut off the paths of wildlife. Environmentalists feared having homes nearby would create pressure to cut back on controlled burns that are critical to the preserve's management.

And "the development that was intended would have actually threatened some of the great wetland restoration we've done on the Disney Wilderness Preserve," said Doria Gordon, director of conservation science at the Nature Conservancy's Florida office.

In 2007, Avatar reached an agreement to negotiate possible sale to the Nature Conservancy. But money for land purchases has gotten tight, and the conservancy couldn't afford it.

Though it does not yet have approval for its plan, Disney decided to purchase the land now to lock in the price.

Disney's permit application to the water management district also seeks to add five parcels totaling more than 800 acres to its permit for potential development. The largest piece, almost 600 acres, stretches from the recently-started Flamingo Crossings hotel-and-retail complex near State Road 429 a mile west to Avalon Road.

Disney said it does not have concrete plans yet for that parcel or the other ones around the edges of its property.

The largest parcel — which includes property owned by Reedy Creek for about 20 years — would be a logical site for another theme park, said Duncan Dickson, who teaches at the University of Central Florida's Rosen College of Hospitality Management.

Disney's long-range plans for years have allowed for a potential fifth theme park, but the company said it does not currently have plans for a new Orlando one. Instead, Disney is focusing on upgrading and expanding its existing parks.

Throughout the property, industry experts say there is potential for much more development, including more hotels and time share resorts. Even new uses such as office parks wouldn't be out of the question, said John Gerner, founder of Leisure Business Advisors in Richmond, Va.

"As long as it doesn't conflict with the quality and reputation of the brand, pretty much anything is possible," he said.
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danlb_2000

danlb_2000

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the.dreamfinder said:
From Soup and Salad Sandra:
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I reported on this back in August:

http://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads/wetland-use-expansion-permit.888031/

As the article indicates Disney is asking to be able to designate the wetland impacts at the time that they file permits for each specific project instead of having to plan for the impacts ahead of time. In the South Florida Water Management District's response letter to Disney they have asked for more details on the impacts so it sounds like they are resistant to giving Disney to the freedom to call out these impacts as needed.
 
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