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ford91exploder

Resident Curmudgeon
Kudos to you as the voice of reason.

Most if not all is speculation at this point regarding the DHS overhaul. TSPL is not a terrible addition.

It's actually what the park needs and if I could compare it to something, it's what a lot of people hoped Storybook Circus would be. Instead of Meet and Greets, we get 3 solid B-ticket attractions.

If TSPL is the only thing that comes to DHS (aside from an expanded TSMM) then I would see the outrage. There was an article posted earlier in the thread about the possibility of Mater's Junkyard Jamboree being converted into a Woody ride. It was unclear to me whether or not Mater's was also coming, but if that's true, then it seems like we are getting a different version of TSPL with different attractions. And besides, if TSPL goes where the backlot is now, it's not going to take up the entire space. The backlot was huge and took up a lot of real-estate. There should and probably will be a lot of space left over for other Pixar attractions.

As for Star Wars, I really just want one E-ticket experience. If I get that I will be satisfied. Though a fully fleshed out Star Wars themed land on the level of Diagon Alley would be welcomed, but I;m not going to set my standards that high.

Based on TDO's past performance if gate DOES NOT drop significantly TSPL and TSMM track 3 will be ALL we get, Not being a D&G'er here but just putting on my business hat.

TDO has dropped a couple expensive E ticket's (BLT and American Idol) and if they can replace it with 3 B tickets and a E ticket expansion and that creates the same revenue stream at a lower expense that is what TDO will do. These days TWDC is run by the numbers and numbers only.

DCA's 1.0 was dropping every year so the expansion was greenlit, DHS does not have that problem or did not pre-closures So TDO will build just enough to maintain revenues at historic norms, Yes there IS a large budget but there is no law saying TDO has to USE all of it. Sorry Fanboi's but that's reality.
 

sshindel

The Epcot Manifesto
Based on TDO's past performance if gate DOES NOT drop significantly TSPL and TSMM track 3 will be ALL we get, Not being a D&G'er here but just putting on my business hat.

TDO has dropped a couple expensive E ticket's (BLT and American Idol) and if they can replace it with 3 B tickets and a E ticket expansion and that creates the same revenue stream at a lower expense that is what TDO will do. These days TWDC is run by the numbers and numbers only.

DCA's 1.0 was dropping every year so the expansion was greenlit, DHS does not have that problem or did not pre-closures So TDO will build just enough to maintain revenues at historic norms, Yes there IS a large budget but there is no law saying TDO has to USE all of it. Sorry Fanboi's but that's reality.
How does that fit with the Avatar expansion? I do not believe that DAK was suffering attendance drops were they?
It could be argued that the length of the day needed to be extended, but there would have been many cheaper ways to fix that without building the expansion.
 

GrammieBee

Well-Known Member
Please recall your original post that started this particular discussion:

News Flash! Life is too short to focus on what is wrong with things in an amusement park. People are supposed to go there to enjoy themselves. If they can no longer enjoy the experience, they shouldn't be there. Of course, some people's enjoyment may be in the act of finding fault.

To be fair, with increasing crowds, the necessary amount of planning and never ending extra costs, enjoyment is becoming somewhat harder to find even without focusing on entertainment, attractions and rides.

However, no matter what they do or don't do,the parks are never going to please everyone, but a person can focus on what is coming that may be better to their liking. Look for the positives.​

Effectively, your opinion is that everyone should stop complaining because "life is too short".

Yet in your most recent post, you write "others should also be allowed to have an opinion or make an observation without essentially being told they belong elsewhere or that they are flat out wrong". Effectively, you're telling everyone that you should have the right to express your opinion of other people's opinions, but that no one else has the right to express their opinion about your opinion.

You seem to be applying a double-standard. It appears you want to critique others yet expect no one to critique you.

The upside of a discussion forum such as this is that people are allowed to express varying opinions on many Disney-related topics as long as the discussion remains relatively civil, even if it becomes passionate.

The downside of a discussion forum such as this is that not everyone is going to agree with you. In fact, sometimes others will vehemently disagree with you.

Discussion means exactly that: discussion.

If you start a discussion, then I respectfully suggest you mentally prepare yourself for the idea that others might discuss it. Taking this one step further, I also suggest that you mentally prepare yourself for the idea that others might not agree with you.

I'll disagree with your original post and suggest that life is too short not to complain. Any consumer who doesn't complain about a product that is not to her or his liking is a fool. Quoting what you wrote, no consumer should ever feel they are "stuck with them". That's not how the free-market works.

I'll take it one step further and suggest that in a free-market economy, customer complaints often are highly beneficial to the company receiving them. How am I supposed to know how to improve my product (and sell more!) if the customer doesn't provide feedback? I'd much rather have them tell me what's wrong and have the chance to keep their business, rather than them go silent and lose their business. I'll also suggest that people are naive if they think Disney doesn't monitor discussion forums such as these.

My opinion might not be to your liking. That's OK; I'm ready for your response.

Before I post something, I usually run through a mental exercise, asking myself: "What are the potential reactions and how will I respond?" Sometimes, I have drafted and then deleted posts without hitting the "Post Reply" button after deciding that I didn't have the inclination to go through the resulting mental thrust-and-parry swordplay.

If you believe you have a right to express your opinion on these threads, then I suggest that others have the right to express theirs, and they might do so in a way that's not to your liking.

Please apply the same standards to others as you apply to yourself. :)


I believe you are taking some things out of context, reading too much into others and making assumptions.. Feel free to lambaste me all you want; I'm not going anywhere.
 
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PhotoDave219

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How does that fit with the Avatar expansion? I do not believe that DAK was suffering attendance drops were they?
It could be argued that the length of the day needed to be extended, but there would have been many cheaper ways to fix that without building the expansion.

DAK was only suffering because of stagnation. They never finished building out the park. Woefully under-built in the first place.
 

BrerJon

Well-Known Member
I actually would rank Wreck-It-Ralph last out of those four. Not that it was bad, but they spent too much time in Sugar Rush IMO. I was hoping for more game jumping and world building based on the trailers and first 30 or so minutes of the movie.

I agree, it felt more like Sugar Rush: The Movie, than a love letter to videogames. It was almost as if originally it was a Candy Land movie, and late in development they changed to a gaming theme but had already spent so much money on getting realistic food effects that they had to keep that as the bulk of things.

If the sequel goes near Sugar Rush I'll be very disappointed.
 

BrerJon

Well-Known Member
As for Star Wars, I really just want one E-ticket experience. If I get that I will be satisfied. Though a fully fleshed out Star Wars themed land on the level of Diagon Alley would be welcomed, but I;m not going to set my standards that high.

Or more accurately, you've learned from Disney's past history not to set your standards that high. I'd settle for a Diagon Alley level land, with or without an E-ticket, but I can't see it happening. Disney can do good rockwork (CarsLand, New Fantasyland), but that's about where their skill level stops.
 

BrerJon

Well-Known Member
How does that fit with the Avatar expansion? I do not believe that DAK was suffering attendance drops were they?
It could be argued that the length of the day needed to be extended, but there would have been many cheaper ways to fix that without building the expansion.

Avatar was just an ego project by Iger, presumably in an attempt to claw back press from Harry Potter. One day the story of how it came about will be told, I'm sure, and I bet it's an interesting one, but I doubt DAK attendance had much to do with it.
 

Matt7187

Well-Known Member
Ok, I have one question that may be obvious, but I don't know the answer:

Is Disneyland getting MM+ like WDW has, or will it stay the way it is? I hope it stays normal...
 

Bairstow

Well-Known Member
I agree, it felt more like Sugar Rush: The Movie, than a love letter to videogames. It was almost as if originally it was a Candy Land movie, and late in development they changed to a gaming theme but had already spent so much money on getting realistic food effects that they had to keep that as the bulk of things.

If the sequel goes near Sugar Rush I'll be very disappointed.

I for one really liked the sugar rush scenes, moreso than a bunch of meaningless cameos from existing characters. The animators kept impressing me with all the inventive ways that their world made of candy moved, looked, and sounded.
 

ford91exploder

Resident Curmudgeon
How does that fit with the Avatar expansion? I do not believe that DAK was suffering attendance drops were they?
It could be argued that the length of the day needed to be extended, but there would have been many cheaper ways to fix that without building the expansion.

In my opinion the Avatar project has two primary drivers

1- It's Iger's vanity project - Much like Carsland was Lasseter's project

2 - AK is seen as a half day park and Avatar is designed to ride the potential coattails of the sequels and create additional attractions which are not dependent on daylight, I see it more as a tool to keep AK open past 5PM most of the year. Avatar should look even better at night than it does during the day. It's in the same vein as the 'Rivers of Light' project.
 

Bairstow

Well-Known Member
Has anyone had the chance to be in Animal Kingdom after sunset? I know it has plenty of nighttime lighting but I'm curious to know if people find it as beautifully transformed as the other 3 parks are after dark.
 

BrerJon

Well-Known Member
Ok, I have one question that may be obvious, but I don't know the answer:

Is Disneyland getting MM+ like WDW has, or will it stay the way it is? I hope it stays normal...

My guess is there's a mighty battle going on right now with half the execs chomping at the bit to get it up and running in Anaheim, while the others want to do everything to avoid it.

If they have any sense they'll cherry pick the bits that work, such as having electronic kiosks located throughout the park so people don't need to physically go to an attraction to get a Fastpass, but they'll avoid the app, MagicBands, crowd shifting or amount restrictions that plague Florida.
 

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