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The Seas with Nemo & Friends (at the Living Seas) confirmed opening fall 2006

Pongo

New Member
Epcot82Guy said:
Please don't misunderstand me. I agree that much of the original EPCOT Center was far too much force feeding. However, some of it worked and worked well. The whimsical, fun approach is great. However, the education was and is (for those still around) always there. And, there is still time and a chance. With the guise of Mr. Ray's classroom, you have a perfect opportunity to learn about the creatures of Finding Nemo. "Nemo is a clown fish. They love anemones. Look for the anemones. THey look like this." Something along those lines would be perfect. Just having the story of nemo missing, though, doesn't have that. Again, this all depends on its execution, but if it literally is a dark ride that could be found in MK/Studios as easiliy as Epcot, I just feel it is changing the mark. The transportation could EASILY be educational and fun simulteaneously. THAT"S where the missing part would be to me on this attraction.
I am really happy that quality is coming back to these projects, I was very concerned overall in the not too distant past. Now it is literally a matter of placement, and a personal hope for original attractions. If this becomes a huge trend of replacement, then sure it might be a problem. BUt, nothing suggests this is the case. It's sad to lose a part of what made Disney magical to me as a kid and to many others I know. But, at least it is a strong decision and one that has a foundation and, most importantly, done to what appears to be a truly Disney-quality level.

Hmmm...

My take on the new Nemo ride is that it WILL be edutaining. I don't mean to offend, so please forgive me if I do, but there is no waiy you can claim to know what the new Nemo ride will be like. How can you be so confident that as we "find Nemo" we won't be introduced to the virety of life in The Living Seas? Because that's what I think will happen. I've said it once, I'll say it a thousand times more. I have faith in WDI. They know what they're doing. We don't. Please don't judge their projects when it isn't even built yet.

:wave:
 

Epcot82Guy

Well-Known Member
Pongo said:
Hmmm...

My take on the new Nemo ride is that it WILL be edutaining. I don't mean to offend, so please forgive me if I do, but there is no waiy you can claim to know what the new Nemo ride will be like. How can you be so confident that as we "find Nemo" we won't be introduced to the virety of life in The Living Seas? Because that's what I think will happen. I've said it once, I'll say it a thousand times more. I have faith in WDI. They know what they're doing. We don't. Please don't judge their projects when it isn't even built yet.

:wave:

No offense at all. In fact, I by all means hope you are correct, and it may very well do that. I was going off the official description that was posted of "finding Nemo with a musical finale, etc." It would be missed potential IMHO if it is merely a Nemo dark ride is all I am saying. I also agree this is a HUGE improvement over what was there, at both opening and currently (i.e. a dormant attraction). The Sea Cabs were failed IMHO, and this will definitely be ana ctual attraction.

Also, this isn't a question of WDI. I think these new projects are clearly showing that WDI has been given the go ahead to create new, innovative projects. However, it depends on what WDI is told to build - i.e. what people "want." I am not trying to turn this into a cheap overlay argument or a cheap anything argument. Quite the contrary. It's that if the masses want the characters and want a Nemo dark ride tossed into TLS, that is sad to me. Definitely time will tell as to whether this is actually executed in an educational way and the description is merely to disguise that or if the description is correct at face value. So, we'll see. I just haven't signed on 100% that this is all positive, but I will definitely say any bittersweetness will be personal unlike some other recent(-ish) decisions that I believe were poor for the parks more objectively.
 

wannab@dis

Well-Known Member
Epcot82Guy said:
It would be missed potential IMHO if it is merely a Nemo dark ride is all I am saying. I also agree this is a HUGE improvement over what was there, at both opening and currently (i.e. a dormant attraction). The Sea Cabs were failed IMHO, and this will definitely be ana ctual attraction.

It's that if the masses want the characters and want a Nemo dark ride tossed into TLS, that is sad to me. Definitely time will tell as to whether this is actually executed in an educational way and the description is merely to disguise that or if the description is correct at face value. So, we'll see. I just haven't signed on 100% that this is all positive, but I will definitely say any bittersweetness will be personal unlike some other recent(-ish) decisions that I believe were poor for the parks more objectively.
No offense, but reading your last few posts seemed like you were arguing your own points. :veryconfu You make the assertion that ANYTHING going into the seacab area is an improvement, yet you turn around and say that you have misgivings about whether or not it's GOOD for "edutainment."

Here's my take... In the current state, you basically have to trip and fall into any educating material. It's just not really there. However, a Nemo ride has TONS of potential to bring people into the area and gently push them into learning about the oceans around us. At worse, a 'plussed' pavilion that will entertain... at best... a HUGE improvement that will spur learning. No matter where it falls, I can't see any negatives.
 

dxwwf3

Well-Known Member
wannab@dis said:
Here's my take... In the current state, you basically have to trip and fall into any educating material. It's just not really there. However, a Nemo ride has TONS of potential to bring people into the area and gently push them into learning about the oceans around us. At worse, a 'plussed' pavilion that will entertain... at best... a HUGE improvement that will spur learning.

Oh I completely agree with this. When Nemo was released I kept on thinking of how perfect it would be for the Living Seas. They could really use these characters to bring the education aspect back to Epcot.

But if it's strictly entertainment, that will be ok too. Maybe we will learn anyways :lol:

I just hope Disney puts the right amout of money behind this and puts together a great pavilion.

BUT....I also will miss Sea Base Alpha and the way the pavilion used to be. It was time for a change, in my mind, but I'm still glad I got to spend some serious time in TLS before the rehabs started.
 

Epcot82Guy

Well-Known Member
wannab@dis said:
Here's my take... In the current state, you basically have to trip and fall into any educating material. It's just not really there. However, a Nemo ride has TONS of potential to bring people into the area and gently push them into learning about the oceans around us. At worse, a 'plussed' pavilion that will entertain... at best... a HUGE improvement that will spur learning. No matter where it falls, I can't see any negatives.

Perhaps to clarify, then, it's about levels just like you said here.

I think if it does gently push the information about the Seas (almost like a kid's show based on Mr. Ray's classroom - if that is an effective analogy), it will be a great change that is wonderful for both the pavilion and the park as a whole. A bona fide success. If they go strictly entertainment, it will be great for the pavilion because adding/rehab-ing a dormant attraction with something that is well done is always good (there is no suggestion this will be like IMAG or Tiki, so it sounds like an improvement, period.). However, I think this is a strong hit against Epcot and the notion of FW having a theme. Even with discoveryland, a Nemo dark ride for the sake of a dark ride alone would not be celebrating any discovery or achievement of man/the future/etc., despite its individual success as a ride/attraction. I really hope for a Land-style update and not a SGE-style update, I guess.
 

SirGoofy

Member
Well, I'm really excited for this one! How long has it been since Disney has created a NEW dark ride for WDW? I'm pretty sure Buzz was the last one. This is awesome, and I can't wait to see this new technology. Sure, it could be a huge flop, but atleast they're trying something new and creative instead of a clone.
 

Epcot82Guy

Well-Known Member
Technically, IMAG was the last major dark ride (since I refuse to simply call it a rehab or refurb). Although, this one is not an entirely NEW ride, either, calling Sea Cabs a "dark ride" is a stretch. It's great to see them focusing on new technologies for these ride systems. If the projection system works, I wonder if this might appear in other attractions (flying, out the window things, etc.)
 

SirGoofy

Member
Okay, so maybe it isn't technically a dark ride, but I really couldn't classify it as anything else.:lol: I'm still glad they're doing something new.
 

dxwwf3

Well-Known Member
Excellent. Thanks for the news tirian.

Do you think that the dark ride portions will be similar in size/scope to Fantasyland attractions or the more elaborate Monsters Inc sets in DCA?
 

Pongo

New Member
dxwwf3 said:
Excellent. Thanks for the news tirian.

Do you think that the dark ride portions will be similar in size/scope to Fantasyland attractions or the more elaborate Monsters Inc sets in DCA?

I'll be hoping for the latter.
 

tirian

Well-Known Member
It will utilize the old theater area. I don't know how elaborate it's going to be, except that there will be enough time for us to learn that Nemo is missing again and we have to go into the aquarium to search for him.
 

AEfx

Well-Known Member
The more I hear about this the more excited I get. Living Seas always had such potential and I never felt like they filled it. Perhaps this will bring a cohesiveness to the experience that the pavillion sorely needs.

AEfx
 

BuzzedLightyear

New Member
dxwwf3 said:
Excellent. Thanks for the news tirian.

Do you think that the dark ride portions will be similar in size/scope to Fantasyland attractions or the more elaborate Monsters Inc sets in DCA?

I never thought I'd hear the day when DCA was rferred to as the quality standard
 

Pirate665

Well-Known Member
BuzzedLightyear said:
I never thought I'd hear the day when DCA was rferred to as the quality standard

DCA is a great place. Just a rushed idea. I think that it's just now kinda getting a grove on things. Just needed a warm up lap.

I really hope that this will be a good attraction. I have high hopes that TLS will be back up to par. I missed the sea cabs.:cry:
 

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