The problem with the monorail system

Goofyernmost

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It's a useless appendage that needs to be removed. I don't mean that it's not actually a place. The Sarhara Desert is also a place, but it's in the middle of nowhere, and it serves no purpose of practicality that drives people to want to experience it as a transit stop, let alone two!!
Then you do not understand the concept that built MK at WDW. Read up on it, you will find that there are a number of reasons why it is where it is. Some just because the area could be used and some that fit into the overall show and the wishes that Walt himself had to not have the outside world infringe on MK.

Without TTC there would be no Monorails, there would be no ferry's, there would be no Seven Seas Lagoon. It performs the same function that it did in 1972. Just because people that stay onsite don't use it (their loss in my opinion) doesn't mean the 10's of thousands of people per day do not. If not for TTC there would be no Epcot Monorail either along with no hidden footings for more track. It's hardly a no place. It is where I park my car and start my adventure into MK and sometimes Epcot. Just because you had to change trains at the hub (TTC) does not in anyway lessen it's importance to the overall thing that is WDW. From 1972 to the 1990's it is the first thing that people saw when they went to MK. It's as important as the castle or main street. It, along with the ferry's, have hauled transported millions of people from TTC to MK and then back to their real world. It is a functioning transportation system bigger then many large sized cities. The argument can be made that the Monorail system at Disneyland is not a transportation system, but an attraction that shows how a transportation system might work. The Monorails at WDW have paid their dues to be a real system even if you don't think it goes where you would like it too.
 

PeterAlt

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Original Poster
Yes it was. It TRANSPORTED you from the parking lot real world to the Magical World of Disney. It's main purpose was transportation but it was designed to do it with flair. It is part of the show. That does not mean it is not transportation.
Technically, that is correct, but I am talking metaphysically and conceptually, which is a whole other level, altogether.
 

acishere

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Wouldn't that apply to anything, anyplace, anytime. Take out what is there and there is nothing. Just when I thought this conversation couldn't get anymore foolish.:banghead:
Every time I click on this thread...
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wm49rs

A naughty bit o' crumpet
Premium Member
Technically, that is correct, but I am talking metaphysically and conceptually, which is a whole other level, altogether.
And you're employing a sense of humor none of can comprehend either. Shows exactly where the disconnect originates....
 

wm49rs

A naughty bit o' crumpet
Premium Member
Exactly! Widen your world! Think outside the box!
Just how is anyone supposed to understand your meaning or intent through an internet forum? Instead of telling others how they should think like you, try figuring out a way to compose your message for others....
 

PeterAlt

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Original Poster
So, in a little bit, I'll edit it and repost it at the end of the thread so that you all can compare the two. I think the changes will drastically change the meaning of what I said and more like what I failed to try to say. Hopefully, there won't be any disconnects after the edits!
 

PeterAlt

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Original Poster
Just how is anyone supposed to understand your meaning or intent through an internet forum? Instead of telling others how they should think like you, try figuring out a way to compose your message for others....
I actually agree with you on this one! Let's see what I could do...
 

NormC

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Technically, that is correct, but I am talking metaphysically and conceptually, which is a whole other level, altogether.
So have this moved to Imagineering forum where you can ramble on about what you believe it is and your vision for its future.
 

Pumbas Nakasak

Heading for the great escape.
Ramble On an OK track on a really good album, which I believe has recently been remastered and rereleased. Available at all good music stores and several dodgy ones too.
 

PeterAlt

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Original Poster
Okay, here's a preview of the edited version of my original post. Changes or additions are in bold. Deletion are not marked. I've only cleaned up the first several paragraphs so far. I'll finish it later. Just wanted to post what I have done so far so that you all have an idea what I'm trying to write...


The problem with the monorail system at WDW is that is was never designed to function as a park to park transportation system.

Oddly enough, when they built the MK at its current location in the northern reaches of the property (a site personally chosen by Walt himself), they discovered that the land planned for parking was swamp - unusable. In order to respect Walt's original site plan for the park, older brother Roy (CEO and now also President) decided to keep the park at its current location but the parking would go where it is today - at the Transportation and Ticket Center. Where parking would have gone - the unusable land - would be filled in with water as an artificial extension of Bay Lake.

So, the problem now was how to get guests to the park from the new location of the parking lot - quite a bit aways. The MK (along with the ferry boat) solved this very problem. Its transportation purpose was mandatory in order to overcome this problem. Additionally, it helped create the illusion of being magically transported to a different dimension of time - a different world. An inner loop served guests traveling to the MK from various hotels along the lagoon.


The EPCOT loop basically gives people who park at the MK parking lot a choice of new dimensions to choose from: magical goodness or futurist internationalism. It was added eleven years later and was never part of any Master Plan for the property. For what it does, it serves its purpose as a limited and very specific transportation function.

Between the three different monorail loops, none really provide cohesive attraction to attraction transportation as its function. You don't need to ride the monorail to go to EC, if you park at EC, for example. And you can't take the monorail from the MK loop to go directly to EC. You can go from MK to EC via monorail, but you have to switch trains and go on two lines in order to do so, proving that the system was never designed as a convenient transportation alternative to buses in this function.

When I was there at WDW a few weeks ago, while at the TTC, I was thinking about this, looking up at the sign, pointing the way to the train going to the MK and another pointing to entrance for the train to EC. This is the only loading area in all of WDW where you can choose the monorail spur location to ride on. But the TTC is neither here or there. It is a transportation hub at the edge of nowhere with a big parking lot with a speedway in the middle. Yet, this "place" out in the middle of nowhere has two monorail loops going to it. Several ideas ran through my head as to what could be done to make sense of this enigma. I'll get into that later.

Leaving EC, my sister and I ran to catch the monorail as it entered the station. Entering the train, my sister asked the CM if this train was going to the MK. The CM said, "No, it's going to..."

I interrupted, "Yes, I know... The Transportation and Ticket Center."

The CM confirmed and my sister insisted that we were on the wrong train until I explained the whole TTC thing to her.

The reason I bring this up is so that if you can understand the concept of the EC monorail loop never servicing the MK, then the MK Parking Lot must be misnamed because it serves the TTC (not the MK). In other words, the MK has no parking and you must park at a nearby transportation hub and take a train, bus, or ferry in order to get there.

Now, with this concept of transportation hub and the purpose of the TTC explained, I have a riddle for you. Why is there a transportation hub for a monorail system that wasn't even designed as a functional transportation system to begin with?

That adds to the riddle of why is there a transportation out in the middle of nowhere and why do monorail loops reach out to this middle of nowhere from theme parks that are obviously somewhere? You get where I'm coming from. Add all the questions I asked or implied so far.

If the TTC were to truly function in the capacity I described, it would have loops connecting it to the other two parks. The fact that it doesn't even do that makes it even less functional as a transportation hub. If it did have four loops, connecting it to all four parks, it would effectively have four loops connecting nowhere to four somewheres - or four loops going nowhere (or your car, if that's where you parked). So, this makes worse sense.

One way to make sense of it is to build a fifth gate at the TTC parking lot and parking structures there. Now, both monorail loops would actually go somewhere. But this raises more questions than it answers, concerning why some parks have their own parking and why the monorail has a prejudice over the parks it goes to or leaves from.

A centralized parking hub serving on-site hotels and retail for all the parks is the most logical thing I could think of that would make sense of this whole mess. You would also need a separate transit system that would also create a big four point loop connecting the parks for direct park to park transport. Now, that's what I call true park hopping!.

The EPCOT loop basically gives people who park at the MK parking lot a choice of new dimensions to choose from: magical goodness or futurist internationalism.

None really provide transportation as its function. You don't need to ride the monorail to go to EC, if you park at EC, for example. And you can't take the monorail from the MK loop to go directly to EC. You can go from MK to EC via monorail, but you have to switch trains and go on two lines in order to do so, proving that the system was never designed as a convenient transportation alternative to buses in this function.

When I was there at WDW a few weeks ago, while at the TTC, I was thinking about this, looking up at the sign, pointing the way to the train going to the MK and another pointing to entrance for the train to EC. This is the only loading area in all of WDW where you can choose the monorail spur location to ride on. But the TTC is neither here or there. It is a transportation hub at the edge of nowhere with a big parking lot with a speedway in the middle. Yet, this "place" out in the middle of nowhere has two monorail loops going to it. Several ideas ran through my head as to what could be done to make sense of this enigma. I'll get into that later.

Leaving EC, my sister and I ran to catch the monorail as it entered the station. Entering the train, my sister asked the CM if this train was going to the MK. The CM said, "No, it's going to..."

I interrupted, "Yes, I know... The Transportation and Ticket Center."

The CM confirmed and my sister insisted that we were on the wrong train until I explained the whole TTC thing to her.

The reason I bring this up is so that if you can understand the concept of the EC monorail loop never servicing the MK, then the MK Parking Lot must be misnamed because it serves the TTC (not the MK). In other words, the MK has no parking and you must park at a nearby transportation hub and take a train, bus, or ferry in order to get there.

Now, with this concept of transportation hub and the purpose of the TTC explained, I have a riddle for you. Why is there a transportation hub for a monorail system that wasn't even designed as a functional transportation system to begin with?

That adds to the riddle of why is there a transportation out in the middle of nowhere and why do monorail loops reach out to this middle of nowhere from theme parks that are obviously somewhere? You get where I'm coming from. Add all the questions I asked or implied so far.

If the TTC were to truly function in the capacity I described, it would have loops connecting it to the other two parks. The fact that it doesn't even do that makes it even less functional as a transportation hub. If it did have four loops, connecting it to all four parks, it would effectively have four loops connecting nowhere to four somewheres - or four loops going nowhere (or your car, if that's where you parked). So, this makes worse sense.

One way to make sense of it is to build a fifth gate at the TTC parking lot and parking structures there. Now, both monorail loops would actually go somewhere. But this raises more questions than it answers, concerning why some parks have their own parking and why the monorail has a prejudice over the parks it goes to or leaves from.

A centralized parking hub serving on-site hotels and retail for all the parks is the most logical thing I could think of that would make sense of this whole mess. You would also need a separate transit system that would also create a big four point loop connecting the parks for direct park to park transport. Now, that's what I call true park hopping!
 

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