The Park Formerly Known as Disney's Hollywood Studios? Yep ...

AEfx

AEfx

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Matt_Black said:
UNLESS you have the CMs dress up as Bea Arthur and Harvey Korman's characters from the Star Wars Holiday Special!

... I'm alone on that one, aren't I?
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If you get me Bea Arthur and Harvey Korman audio animatroics at the bar, heckling like Statler and Waldorf - I rescind, and you get my vote, ROFL.
 
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twebber55

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WeLComeHomE OKW said:
Well, that just proves my point even more. The whole point of your post was that 800 million dollars was being dedicated to just 2 things, which made adding ONE big thing to DHS (on top of star wars land and other pixar land enhancements) unlikely with a 1.5 billion dollar budget.

800 million dollars covers a lot of stuff there. Just like 1.5 billion would be enough to include RSR as an attraction inside an expanded Pixarland.
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800 million for 2 rides a nighttime show and an extension of an attraction doesnt seem like a lot to me.... are saying you think we get a full blown Star wars land and a full blown Cars land along with third track for TSMM, and TSPL....and i always thought Cars land cost 800 million
not saying i dont want what you want its just seems a little too much considering how much things cost these days
 
erasure fan1

erasure fan1

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AEfx said:
I'll be optimistic when we have concrete plans and stuff starts going vertical. Until then, as I said, for all we know Star Wars land could be an overpriced restaurant, a Millenium Falcon replica - with a pin stand under it, and a spinner ride with some cheesy gimmick. Do I hope for more? Do I pray for more? Of course.
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I've been saying the same thing but that it will also take them 4yrs to complete it.

AEfx said:
But judging at how Disney is already dragging their feet on it (supposedly waiting to see about Episode VII reaction - when all signs point that it's going to be the film of the decade).
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And the sad thing is we all know that Star Wars, regardless of how EP VII does, will still be one of the biggest franchises EVER. As soon as they announced the purchase of Star Wars, and they were making new movies, they should have announced a major Star Wars expansion. If you go with Disneys track record as of late, the only explanation why they haven't announced and detailed "Star Wars Land", is they are trying to figure out what is the minimum they can do to maximize the ROI. Star Wars is about as sure of a thing as you can get for this sort of thing so there is no reason this shouldn't be the biggest, most ambitious expansion Disney has EVER done. Sadly, I fear that Disney already knows that if they build anything and call it Star Wars Land, the people will show up anyway, so why try.
 
RayTheFirefly

RayTheFirefly

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cookiee_munster said:
im all for the name change and a new park icon/weenie. i kind of hope that Hollywood isn't included in the name, as a lot of films these days aren't even made "in" hollywood anymore...

id go with something more like DCA's name change and just have Disney's Florida Adventure. or something less bland...
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But then the entire front part of the park that is themed like Hollywood (and very beautifully) wouldn't make any sense.
 
misterID

misterID

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WeLComeHomE OKW said:
My point was not comparing ToT directly, but, suggesting, those two rides are better than two of the bigger attractions at IoA. I also think Star Wars land and Pixar land expansion would do a lot to compete with HP and Spiderman.

"secret stuff at Universal" yeah, there's a lot of secret stuff happening at DHS too.

Your inherent positive assumptions of Universal's secret stuff and negative assumptions about Disney's secret stuff speaks volumes.
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Take a pill, dude. I've also been criticizing UNI a lot (too many screen-based attractions, not enough family dark rides) and praised Disney for targeting families and their focus on building up AK and DHS. Saying I don't think SWL is going to be a mega expansion everyone is blueskying in their heads isn't exactly spitting in Mickey's eye.

You were comparing Apples to Oranges with TOT and JP, and JP isn't UNIs biggest attraction...I actually praised TOT. It's nice to think SWL will compete with Spiderman and HP... The thing is, UNI has already moved on from those rides. And if you're trying to compete, or catch up, with a competitors ride that's already a decade old... well, that says a lot, doesn't it?

Yes there is A LOT of secret stuff going on at UNI. Yes, Disney seems to be investing (finally) in the two parks that need it most. That's great news. And exciting. Trying to paint me in a negative light because I'm not wearing my Mickey jammies (they're HULK jammies, which is sort of Disney Jammies, right?) is beyond childish... unless you are a kid... then I regret taking your post serious enough to respond. I'm not getting into a "my dad can beat up your dad" argument about "my park is better than your park." I'm rooting for BOTH parks.
 
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mahnamahna101

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WeLComeHomE OKW said:
These are all rumors other than Kong. And, even with that, any argument that uses "Seuss E-ticket" as an answer to why something is the best...well, I'll just leave it at that.

With a major Star Wars area and a Pixar area (of course, rumors like the Universal ones you posted), I think Disney is right up there, if not surpassing it. Rockin' Roller Coaster and Tower of Terror still crushes Hulk and Jurassic Park today, but, hey, to each his own.
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IOA
Spider-Man
Hulk
Dr. Doom's Fearfall
Popeye
Dudley Do-Right
Kong
JPRA
FJ
Dragon Challenge
Cat in the Hat

DHS (after the makeover)
GMR
Star Tours
Star Wars E-ticket (unknown)
TSMM
Pixar D/E-ticket (unknown)
ToT
RnRC


I did not include anything rumored. Flat rides, shows, walkthroughs and play areas also are not included.

IOA will have 10 D/E-tickets by 2016. DHS may have 7 by 2020. IOA also isn't finished adding things - there's the plot next to Cat, Lost Continent as a whole, Toon Lagoon's front area, Trikes plot and the underutilized Discovery Center... not saying Disney isn't doing something good. But unless this DHS makeover adds 3 more D/E tickets, it is not equal with IOA.
 
misterID

misterID

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mahnamahna101 said:
IOA
Spider-Man
Hulk
Dr. Doom's Fearfall
Popeye
Dudley Do-Right
Kong
JPRA
FJ
Dragon Challenge
Cat in the Hat

DHS (after the makeover)
GMR
Star Tours
Star Wars E-ticket (unknown)
TSMM
Pixar D/E-ticket (unknown)
ToT
RnRC


I did not include anything rumored. Flat rides, shows, walkthroughs and play areas also are not included.

IOA will have 10 D/E-tickets by 2016. DHS may have 7 by 2020. IOA also isn't finished adding things - there's the plot next to Cat, Lost Continent as a whole, Toon Lagoon's front area, Trikes plot and the underutilized Discovery Center... not saying Disney isn't doing something good. But unless this DHS makeover adds 3 more D/E tickets, it is not equal with IOA.
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You forgot Flight Of The Hippogriff and I'd add Hogwarts Express on there too ;)

To be fair, you'd have to combine AK and DHS to compare to IOA. And isn't all of Toon Lagoon on the chopping block to be replaced? And I think the rumor is a Carsland attraction and a Monsters ride rumored for Pixar.
 
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mahnamahna101

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misterID said:
You forgot Flight Of The Hippogriff and I'd add Hogwarts Express on there too ;)

To be fair, you'd have to combine AK and DHS to compare to IOA. And isn't all of Toon Lagoon on the chopping block to be replaced? And I think the rumor is a Carsland attraction and a Monsters ride rumored for Pixar.
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I count Hippogriff as a C-ticket. Can't believe I forgot HE though! That's a D+ ticket.

So 11 vs. 7. With the potential for 13-14 someday.

If Toon Lagoon is on the chopping block, their first goal should be to bulldoze everything except Popeye. Maximize the space so you can fit a dark ride, an E-ticket, a flat ride, a restaurant and a people-eating show all in the original space. DL's done it before - IOA could do the same.

Since TSMM 3rd track and TSPL seem to be the only confirmed/credible evidence toward Pixar, I only gave them one major new ride. I think Pixar will be the first to get budget cuts since Disney won't let Star Wars Land be screwed up.

I'd love to see a Cars dark ride and MI door coaster, but I only expect TDO to give us one of those.
 
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doctornick

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mahnamahna101 said:
I count Hippogriff as a C-ticket. Can't believe I forgot HE though! That's a D+ ticket.

So 11 vs. 7. With the potential for 13-14 someday.
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I don't necessarily disagree with your point, but it's unfair to DHS in that the park is so show heavy in its offerings. Now I think this is a problem with DHS and something that needs to be remedied, but some of the shows at DHS are worthy of comparison on this list. In particular, Fantasmic! is certainly a D/E ticket caliber attraction and IoA doesn't have any comparable large scale entertainment.

It is embarrassing the number of rides in DHS. The park needs a total overhaul, which hopefully it will be getting.
 
GoofGoof

GoofGoof

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mahnamahna101 said:
I count Hippogriff as a C-ticket. Can't believe I forgot HE though! That's a D+ ticket.

So 11 vs. 7. With the potential for 13-14 someday.

If Toon Lagoon is on the chopping block, their first goal should be to bulldoze everything except Popeye. Maximize the space so you can fit a dark ride, an E-ticket, a flat ride, a restaurant and a people-eating show all in the original space. DL's done it before - IOA could do the same.

Since TSMM 3rd track and TSPL seem to be the only confirmed/credible evidence toward Pixar, I only gave them one major new ride. I think Pixar will be the first to get budget cuts since Disney won't let Star Wars Land be screwed up.

I'd love to see a Cars dark ride and MI door coaster, but I only expect TDO to give us one of those.
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TDO won't be giving us anything. They have no say either way.

I don't see more than 3 D/E tickets with this expansion, but its possible they go E-ticket for SW and 2 Ds for Pixar.
 
Tegan pilots a chicken

Tegan pilots a chicken

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The obsession with classifying attractions by hypothetical ticket book category creates this poor method of comparing parks based solely on number of "E-tickets". If that's what you care about, maybe try Cedar Point.

The overall quality of the experience is substantially more important. And I think everybody knows that. That's why this conversation totally disappears when discussing MK or DL and their plethora of amazing dark rides and spectacular theming. This conversation also doesn't seem to apply to EPCOT whatsoever. If anything, it seems the consensus is FEWER "E-tickets" was better for EPCOT.
 
space42

space42

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AimYourBrent said:
The obsession with classifying attractions by hypothetical ticket book category creates this poor method of comparing parks based solely on number of "E-tickets". If that's what you care about, maybe try Cedar Point.

The overall quality of the experience is substantially more important. And I think everybody knows that. That's why this conversation totally disappears when discussing MK or DL and their plethora of amazing dark rides and spectacular theming. This conversation also doesn't seem to apply to EPCOT whatsoever. If anything, it seems the consensus is FEWER "E-tickets" was better for EPCOT.
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But E-Tickets are the headliner attractions and what made Disney Parks something people travel to, create fan sites for, and made me a life long fan.

Pirates, Mansion, Jungle Cruise, Tiki Room, 20K Leagues, Small World, Splash, Country Bears, Original Imagination, Horizons, SSE - these are all Headliner E-Tickets that aren't thrill rides and define the 'Disney Difference'.
These are the types of rides that are seriously lacking at MGM.
 
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mahnamahna101

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doctornick said:
I don't necessarily disagree with your point, but it's unfair to DHS in that the park is so show heavy in its offerings. Now I think this is a problem with DHS and something that needs to be remedied, but some of the shows at DHS are worthy of comparison on this list. In particular, Fantasmic! is certainly a D/E ticket caliber attraction and IoA doesn't have any comparable large scale entertainment.

It is embarrassing the number of rides in DHS. The park needs a total overhaul, which hopefully it will be getting.
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Still 8 to 11. But IOA is planning to add a nighttime show at some point in the near future (probably alongside Kong's opening) which could be comparable to Fantasmic in a light sense.

DHS needs 7-9 more rides/attractions than there already is.

GoofGoof said:
TDO won't be giving us anything. They have no say either way.

I don't see more than 3 D/E tickets with this expansion, but its possible they go E-ticket for SW and 2 Ds for Pixar.
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Cars dark ride - D
Monsters Inc. door coaster - D
Star Wars dark ride using Twister ride system - E

I could live with that as long as GMR gets some love, the BAH is gone and a couple smaller attractions are added as well.

AimYourBrent said:
The obsession with classifying attractions by hypothetical ticket book category creates this poor method of comparing parks based solely on number of "E-tickets". If that's what you care about, maybe try Cedar Point.

The overall quality of the experience is substantially more important. And I think everybody knows that. That's why this conversation totally disappears when discussing MK or DL and their plethora of amazing dark rides and spectacular theming. This conversation also doesn't seem to apply to EPCOT whatsoever. If anything, it seems the consensus is FEWER "E-tickets" was better for EPCOT.
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I was using D/E to indicate high-caliber/high theming. IOA is overall a high-quality experience. DHS may become a good park after the makeover, but by then, IOA will have added Kong and I don't see Uni Creative leaving IOA empty-handed until the 2020s.

DHS should strive to be good before it is great. Great would require $3-3.5 billion of reworking, 6-7 more high-caliber rides, updates everywhere, cohesive lands, etc.
 

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