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DistractedGenius

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Getting rid of the hat and updating Great Movie Ride are definitely great starts, but expanded Pixar Place could go so many ways. I feel like although Cars is still the money maker over in California, having something different as a mini-land might make just as much money. Exclusivity and all that.
 

misterID

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These are all rumors other than Kong. And, even with that, any argument that uses "Seuss E-ticket" as an answer to why something is the best...well, I'll just leave it at that.

With a major Star Wars area and a Pixar area (of course, rumors like the Universal ones you posted), I think Disney is right up there, if not surpassing it. Rockin' Roller Coaster and Tower of Terror still crushes Hulk and Jurassic Park today, but, hey, to each his own.
Mt. Crumpet is supposed to be cool. I'd rather have the Lorax dark ride... I'd actually take both, but whatever. But yeah, there's some secret stuff going on that's supposed to be big.

From what's been said, recycled TRON coaster might just end up in a SWL. We don't know how major a SWL is going to be. I'm pretty sure it's going to include a new Jedi place for kids (no interest to me) a restaurant, M&G and gift shop... now I could be totally wrong, but again, Let's not assume it's going to e major outside a single cool E-Ticket -- and that's me assuming. HULK is pretty incredible. TOT is amazing... I don't know why that would be compared to JP. That would be DD Death Drop, which TOT destroys. HP and Spiderman are still better than anything in DHS and AK... TOT is still amazing. IMHO.
 

WeLComeHomE OKW

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Mt. Crumpet is supposed to be cool. I'd rather have the Lorax dark ride... I'd actually take both, but whatever. But yeah, there's some secret stuff going on that's supposed to be big.

From what's been said, recycled TRON coaster might just end up in a SWL. We don't know how major a SWL is going to be. I'm pretty sure it's going to include a new Jedi place for kids (no interest to me) a restaurant, M&G and gift shop... now I could be totally wrong, but again, Let's not assume it's going to e major outside a single cool E-Ticket -- and that's me assuming. HULK is pretty incredible. TOT is amazing... I don't know why that would be compared to JP. That would be DD Death Drop, which TOT destroys. HP and Spiderman are still better than anything in DHS and AK... TOT is still amazing. IMHO.
My point was not comparing ToT directly, but, suggesting, those two rides are better than two of the bigger attractions at IoA. I also think Star Wars land and Pixar land expansion would do a lot to compete with HP and Spiderman.

"secret stuff at Universal" yeah, there's a lot of secret stuff happening at DHS too.

Your inherent positive assumptions of Universal's secret stuff and negative assumptions about Disney's secret stuff speaks volumes.
 

Captain Neo

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RSR doesn't work in the FL climate as is, at least not during peak summer travel season. Rain will shut it down every day. Yes, maybe only for 20 minutes at a time, but it still messes with FPs, stand by line, etc.

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MerlinTheGoat

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With the announcement of an Incredibles sequel, would they dare consider something that would both key in on the super hero craze?
You'd think, but Disney seems to have come to the (misguided) conclusion that they have to wait until a movie is released and proves itself as a financial and exploitable hit before actually building something based on it. They don't seem have much confidence in their films anymore, Frozen for instance caught them off guard with its success and they had nothing ready for the parks when it released. And while Incredibles was both critically and financially successful at the time, it came out almost a decade ago (and no release date yet for the sequel). Toy Story, Monsters and Cars sound more like the Pixar properties they see as current exploitable ones.
 
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Matt_Black

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Yeah, it's not enough for the movie to be a success at the box office, it's also got to move merchandise. Which is why Lilo & Stitch is represented in the parks currently but not Chicken Little or Brother Bear.
 

AEfx

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Or, you know, the entire WDWMAGIC boards that want the Indiana Jones ride from Disneyland when it's the same exact track as Dinosaur. (Different rides are different, and a ride system is just a ride system, not a ride)

Even beyond that, what has never made any sense whatsoever about that argument is that - what are the chances, a couple of decades later, that if they did Indy, that they would do a brick-for-brick clone and it would be exactly the same track layout? The track could easily be changed, not that it really matters anyway, LOL - as no one would ever notice outside of a few with freakishly observant memories (like, the tile counting type).
 

AEfx

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Well, whatever they do, they had better at least do a Mos Eisley Cantina restaurant, as that seems like an incredible no-brainer.

Oh I hope not. It's way too obvious, and really isn't that interesting to begin with when you look at what elements they would have to work with. The only thing that made the Cantina interesting conceptually or visually was all the folks at the bar - and I just don't see that being very interesting or easy to exploit in a restaurant setting.

What I do hope is for a Jabba's Palace dinner show. The Palace is much more dynamic, has several different interior locations, and, the biggest reason of all - audio-animatronic Jabba. (Two, actually - one during the dinner show and another one elsewhere in the building for pics.)

There are so many possibilities, and it's way more visually interesting. Also more audio-animatronic creature possibilities - Salacious, the Max Reebo band, 3-PO, etc. It could be really spectacular. The cantina? Really a big bowl of "meh" when you think about it - chipped stone stucco building with curved edges and very little in the way of decoration? They can do better.
 

AEfx

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With a major Star Wars area and a Pixar area (of course, rumors like the Universal ones you posted), I think Disney is right up there, if not surpassing it. Rockin' Roller Coaster and Tower of Terror still crushes Hulk and Jurassic Park today, but, hey, to each his own.

Well, yeah - if you compare 15-20 year-old rides to each other. That's sort of the point, Disney hasn't played that "new wow spectacular" attraction game in years in Orlando.

But today? WDW has nothing approaching what Universal has, and it's going to at least be a few years before they do. And we don't even know what they are going to do - hopefully they have learned and realize they need to make impressive attractions again, and put the money into it. I hope, I really do - but for all we know, Star Wars land will be a lame cantina restaurant, a spinner, and some lightly themed indoor coaster. I hope for much more - but really, they'd have to pretty much do a 180 from today in order for that to happen.

I do cross my fingers, though. Because I really want to be proud of what they do again, instead of ashamed.
 

FigmentJedi

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Oh I hope not. It's way too obvious, and really isn't that interesting to begin with when you look at what elements they would have to work with. The only thing that made the Cantina interesting conceptually or visually was all the folks at the bar - and I just don't see that being very interesting or easy to exploit in a restaurant setting.

What I do hope is for a Jabba's Palace dinner show. The Palace is much more dynamic, has several different interior locations, and, the biggest reason of all - audio-animatronic Jabba. (Two, actually - one during the dinner show and another one elsewhere in the building for pics.)

There are so many possibilities, and it's way more visually interesting. Also more audio-animatronic creature possibilities - Salacious, the Max Reebo band, 3-PO, etc. It could be really spectacular. The cantina? Really a big bowl of "meh" when you think about it - chipped stone stucco building with curved edges and very little in the way of decoration? They can do better.

Throw in Twi'lek dancing girls and I'm there!
 

WeLComeHomE OKW

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Well, yeah - if you compare 15-20 year-old rides to each other. That's sort of the point, Disney hasn't played that "new wow spectacular" attraction game in years in Orlando.

But today? WDW has nothing approaching what Universal has, and it's going to at least be a few years before they do. And we don't even know what they are going to do - hopefully they have learned and realize they need to make impressive attractions again, and put the money into it. I hope, I really do - but for all we know, Star Wars land will be a lame cantina restaurant, a spinner, and some lightly themed indoor coaster. I hope for much more - but really, they'd have to pretty much do a 180 from today in order for that to happen.

I do cross my fingers, though. Because I really want to be proud of what they do again, instead of ashamed.
I think the whole point of Star Wars land is to make an immersive land competitive with Harry Potter.

I look at Disney's recent game differently than you do. I see a beautiful DCA re-do and an amazingly themed Carsland, a wonderfully themed New Fantasyland (while short on draw attractions, there's no doubting it's excellent theming), and official plans and semi-coherent details to create an incredibly immersive and technologically challenging Pandora recreation for Avatarland. This is a positive sign that the ' recent Universal quality' pressure is working.

And, with their recent track record on large budget projects, I think you can only be hopeful that Star Wars will continue to push that in the right direction.

I think Universal is really creating some great stuff. But, there is also no doubt all of the rides have similar plots and they all use the same ride technology. Again, I'm not slamming that too much, because I'm fond of using excellent ride technologies. But, when parks are saturated with tram like 3d sims over and over, you can't keep saying Universal is pushing the envelope. You CAN keep saying they're creating quality attractions. But, it is certainly starting to seem like a couple really good ideas recycled.
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EDIT: Just to illustrate my point: 3D sims that move (not just jolt) with "come along with me" plots: SpiderMan, Transformers, Harry Potter and the Forbidden Journey. Sims that don't move with "come along with me" plots: Despicable Me, Simpsons.

I think much of this is quoted as being Universal's recent quality push. Definitely quality, but, certainly not moving the industry forward. Only ride that I saw as a game changer was the first Harry Potter ride and that was only because of how they used that rotating arm ride system on a track. It STILL had the same "come along with me" plot along with following various high def screens.

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2nd EDIT: I'd suggest that Universal's game changer has been their immersive movie like theming on the harry potter lands, and starting to really take the set dressing seriously. That's why I'm encouraged by Disney's excellent recent theming themselves. A well themed Star Wars land could really up the ante here.
 
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Mike S

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Oh I hope not. It's way too obvious, and really isn't that interesting to begin with when you look at what elements they would have to work with. The only thing that made the Cantina interesting conceptually or visually was all the folks at the bar - and I just don't see that being very interesting or easy to exploit in a restaurant setting.

What I do hope is for a Jabba's Palace dinner show. The Palace is much more dynamic, has several different interior locations, and, the biggest reason of all - audio-animatronic Jabba. (Two, actually - one during the dinner show and another one elsewhere in the building for pics.)

There are so many possibilities, and it's way more visually interesting. Also more audio-animatronic creature possibilities - Salacious, the Max Reebo band, 3-PO, etc. It could be really spectacular. The cantina? Really a big bowl of "meh" when you think about it - chipped stone stucco building with curved edges and very little in the way of decoration? They can do better.
Jabba's Palace would be awesome. I would still want to see an AA Cantina band though, love that song. Maybe they could be put in there to please the people who would want to see them.
 

AEfx

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Jabba's Palace would be awesome. I would still want to see an AA Cantina band though, love that song. Maybe they could be put in there to please the people who would want to see them.

I kind of see them as a Lucky (that was his name, wasn't it?) the Dinosaur thing they did with the traveling animatronic at AK - maybe semi-mobile, stationed in the land. Or maybe in a "lounge" attached to Jabba's. I just can't see the Cantina - it's a room, not an experience LOL.
 

AEfx

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I think the whole point of Star Wars land is to make an immersive land competitive with Harry Potter.

I look at Disney's recent game differently than you do. I see a beautiful DCA re-do and an amazingly themed Carsland, a wonderfully themed New Fantasyland (while short on draw attractions, there's no doubting it's excellent theming), and official plans and semi-coherent details to create an incredibly immersive and technologically challenging Pandora recreation for Avatarland. This is a positive sign that the ' recent Universal quality' pressure is working.

Well, I don't think - unless you have some insider knowledge that we don't, because every expert I know says it's all up in the air - that we know what the "point" of Star Wars land will be. We don't even know exactly where it will be inside the park or what it would cover. We can make educated guesses - but again, since apparently Disney hasn't even decided yet, it's all still speculation.

That said, I don't disagree that on the west coast, Disney has seen some great stuff. They get little updates all the time to things. Their rides are better kept and simply get more attention. That's why they get my dollars most of the time these days.

That's totally separate than WDW. They are run by different folks, separate budgets, etc. The place where we get an E-ticket once or twice a decade (and even they are often chopped up - Everest). The place where prices and restrictions on how you visit are rising to epic levels, but so little of note has been added and what has been added has been lackluster. And certainly nothing ambitious. So two different beasts, none of my comments are about California, it's all about Florida and how it's been nickel and dimed into the ground.

Nothing from Avatar-land or a possible Star Wars land is going to open for at least three years. When they do have a project, like New Fantasyland (which I believe was needed and a good thing), they take five years to build things when Universal goes from groundbreaking to opening day in a year on attractions and does them with quality.

New Fantasyland was sorely needed - I was a defender of it, even though it took my favorite ride (SWSA - my solace is that the superior version still runs in Disneyland). We had the last place Fantasyland before - it was pathetic. There was nothing to it but a few tin roof rides. I didn't realize this until I went to Disneyland for the first time, then started to look at Fantasylands around the world - we were dead last at the flagship themepark. It desperately needed depth and placemaking. However, it being a construction zone for half a decade to add a restaurant, two new D-tickets, and landscaping was ridiculous. All for financial reasons, not because it was just really hard to do that rockwork.

I'll be optimistic when we have concrete plans and stuff starts going vertical. Until then, as I said, for all we know Star Wars land could be an overpriced restaurant, a Millenium Falcon replica - with a pin stand under it, and a spinner ride with some cheesy gimmick. Do I hope for more? Do I pray for more? Of course. But judging at how Disney is already dragging their feet on it (supposedly waiting to see about Episode VII reaction - when all signs point that it's going to be the film of the decade). And Avatar land - well, someday, when they finish it, as it's still years away - let's hope in spite of picking a turd of a license they come up with some great attractions. I'm more excited about the rumored boat ride than the rumored Soarin 2.0 - but, I guess, at least hopefully the park will finally be open past 5 or 6PM so our tickets have a bit more value (by the hour, AK is the most expensive park - but it offers the least).

I'm reminded of a Carrie Fisher-ism - she defines herself as an "enthusiastic agnostic". That's how I feel here - I can't believe in it because I can't see any clear evidence of it but I would welcome it if it can somehow be proven to me, which, again, will be when stuff starts to go vertical and we aren't waiting until 2020 for it all to open.

Recent developments haven't done much to further any hope - while I am just fine with Frozen going into where it is, and I'm fine with a small ride personally (I like C/D ticket dark rides, we need more of them - though it's a shame we keep trading them 1:1 like we did with SWSA), it certainly doesn't raise hopes that they are putting in a permanent ride based on a film that between grosses and home video and re-releases and album sales and all the assorted merchandising is going to net them a couple billion eventually, that they are doing a 70M refurb vs. building an E-ticket attraction.
 

Matt_Black

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I kind of see them as a Lucky (that was his name, wasn't it?) the Dinosaur thing they did with the traveling animatronic at AK - maybe semi-mobile, stationed in the land. Or maybe in a "lounge" attached to Jabba's. I just can't see the Cantina - it's a room, not an experience LOL.

UNLESS you have the CMs dress up as Bea Arthur and Harvey Korman's characters from the Star Wars Holiday Special!

... I'm alone on that one, aren't I?
 

Jon81uk

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I think much of this is quoted as being Universal's recent quality push. Definitely quality, but, certainly not moving the industry forward. Only ride that I saw as a game changer was the first Harry Potter ride and that was only because of how they used that rotating arm ride system on a track. It STILL had the same "come along with me" plot along with following various high def screens.

Agree with your point, a lot of what Universal has done was quite similar, but I would say the first game-changer was Spiderman at IoA, that was a world first, no-one had been able to get 3D visuals to work in conjunction with a moving car.
But in terms of a themed area, then Hogsmeade was a first. Jurassic Park would do a great job of immersing you in the park (the visitors centre is perfect) except for the midway games breaking the theming a little.
 
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