The New Fantasyland

[_Scar]

I clearly said it was a mini-DHS. I don't expect it to look exactly the same. I'm not gonna start comparing pictures because we will go on forever if we do that. Why not compare the Animation attractions from each park? Or the Hyperion theatre which houses Aladdin (broadway style show).. to the Beauty and the Beast show at DHS.

I still stand by my original opinion. And I still would like to know if you have been to DCA.

I've seen Beauty and the Best and it captures the essence that makes BatB such a great film and story. Aladdin is good but sometimes awkward.... I don't think genie should be a guy in blue paint.... costume him!!! and you can't get someone who looks like jafar! Costume him.... grrr

 

[JustInTime]

I consider Condor and Grizzly to be the same area (and apperantly so does WDI because there going to merge them in phase 2) but even so 3 themed (small) areas whoopey do!



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DHS

HPB

Tower of Terror External queue:

DHS

HPB

Can you see the deference? If the imagineers who worked on MGM saw your statement comparing it to a land in DCA they would probably get depressed/upset/offended. The difference is night and day to just about anyone. TOT has a real themed queue in Florida, MGM's main street is well themed and ends at a weenie attraction inside a recreation of Chinese Mann theather. Hollywood backlot ends in some really obvious looking wall painted to look like clouds.

Wow. That is really sad looking...

 

[The Conundrum]

I clearly said it was a mini-DHS. I don't expect it to look exactly the same. I'm not gonna start comparing pictures because we will go on forever if we do that. Why not compare the Animation attractions from each park? Or the Hyperion theatre which houses Aladdin (broadway style show).. to the Beauty and the Beast show at DHS.

Mini-DHS isn't even the right word. Theres no theming. You basically said to me "DHS looks the same as HPB and if you don't like HPB I guess you don't like DHS" but DHS has THEMING/IMMERSION something HPB doesn't have. No effort was made.

I still stand by my original opinion. And I still would like to know if you have been to DCA.

No. I'm not dumb enough to walk into a park designed by marketing vp's (as opposed to the imagineers) looking to make a quick buck and pull a fast one on loyal customers.

Similar reason why I stoped going to WDW. I'm not interested in american idol, disney channel gimmicks, and video screens. Also why I never once set foot in Tomorrowland'98 I waited until they repainted it and stoped using the '98 logos before going back to Disneyland. I'm strong enough to not reward bad behavior.

I will go after Lasseter and imagineering have made enough changes to bring it up to a sufficient Disney standard (so either 2011 or 2012)

People like Jt think I complain for the hell of it which isn't true. If Disney announces a New Fantasyland or Mystery Island or Star Tours 2 or more my complaining will become less and less and eventually will stop. I used to complain alot about Disneyland but ever since Quimet (then Lasseter & Baxter/Weiss) took over it has been going down and down and down.

 

[sponono88]

I've seen Beauty and the Best and it captures the essence that makes BatB such a great film and story. Aladdin is good but sometimes awkward.... I don't think genie should be a guy in blue paint.... costume him!!! and you can't get someone who looks like jafar! Costume him.... grrr

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The Genie is wearing a body-suit. The only "paint" he wears is the blue makeup for his face. Of course, you'd know that if you had seen the show. I don't understand how that is relevant to how good the show is?

I wasn't referring to the shows so much as I was about the actual theaters that house them and the size of the productions.

If you really want a show that captures the beauty and essence of the film, you should see Beauty and the Beast on Broadway.. of course, it's closed now so you won't have much luck there unfortunately.

 

[_Scar]

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The Genie is wearing a body-suit. The only "paint" he wears is the blue makeup for his face. Of course, you'd know that if you had seen the show. I don't understand how that is relevant to how good the show is?

I wasn't referring to the shows so much as I was about the actual theaters that house them and the size of the productions.

If you really want a show that captures the beauty and essence of the film, you should see Beauty and the Beast on Broadway.. of course, it's closed now so you won't have much luck there unfortunately.

Well even if he's in a body suit with a painted face it still looks incredibly tacky. It makes the show look tacky... Also see my comments on jafar...

 

[unkadug]

Well even if he's in a body suit with a painted face it still looks incredibly tacky. It makes the show look tacky... Also see my comments on jafar...

It sounds to me like you've NEVER seen him. :shrug:

 

[sponono88]

And I still would like to know if you have been to DCA.

... No.

Then you shouldn't be quick to base your opinions based on what you have read/seen online. I respect people's opinions - and I understand why some people dislike DCA. But it's not fair to judge something especially when you've never been there before :wave:

I'm done with the DCA discussion.. now back to Fantasyland!

 

[The Conundrum]

This concept art?
http://www.disneygeek.com/updates/disneyland_update.php?page_id=8&update_dir=2009_07_24

Its the Route 66 area rethemed as Paradise Gardens and is the former Burger Invasion and Pizza Omm Mow Mow, and SS Rustworthy. Its suppose to open in Spring 2010.

yea thats the art. Ah I think it may have been labeled wrong on Miceage which is where I saw it a few days ago. Looks very nice though and a tremendous imrpovement over the current look.

 

[sponono88]

Well even if he's in a body suit with a painted face it still looks incredibly tacky. It makes the show look tacky... Also see my comments on jafar...

I've heard very few complaints about the Aladdin show over the years.. but this is a first. never once have I heard anyone complaining about the genie looking tacky :lol:

what about Jafar? You don't like the show because the guy who plays Jafar doesn't look like the one from the movie?

and you're basing this on what? a youtube video?

 

[DonaldDoleWhip]

I clearly said it was a mini-DHS. I don't expect it to look exactly the same. I'm not gonna start comparing pictures because we will go on forever if we do that. Why not compare the Animation attractions from each park? Or the Hyperion theatre which houses Aladdin (broadway style show).. to the Beauty and the Beast show at DHS.

I still stand by my original opinion. And I still would like to know if you have been to DCA.

MGM originally opened with two main concepts going on at once: 1) a working movie studio and 2) the glamorous Hollywood that never was. #1 was easily achieved by the Backlot Tour and working animation studio. With Hollywood Boulevard's re-creations of actual landmarks, and Sunset Boulevard which opened a few years later, MGM also did a great job creating an exciting Hollywood atmosphere. The theme of the park is a little bit confused now, but the park still did a great job re-creating the golden age of movies.

At California Adventure, there's a reason why the area is known as "Hollywood Pictures Backlot". This title allowed the area to be designed with minimal theme and detail: after all, movie backlots are generally bare and ugly, with only a few set pieces. That's exactly what you get at DCA. I'm a fan of DHS, so I find it insulting that Hollywood Pictures Backlot could be viewed as a mini-DHS.

And yes, I've been to California Adventure - last year. It was pretty terrible (besides Grizzly River Run), and I refuse to go back until TLM and WoC are open (I don't care about Cars).

 

[The Conundrum]

Then you shouldn't be quick to base your opinions based on what you have read/seen online. I respect people's opinions - and I understand why some people dislike DCA. But it's not fair to judge something especially when you've never been there before :wave:

I'm done with the DCA discussion.. now back to Fantasyland!

I took one look at the concept art for the park and was completly unimpressed. Then the park opens and isn't even half as good as the CONCEPT ART made it look plus the media and people who visited all backed up my beliefs. There is plenty of HD videos and picutres about the park.

This idea that you have to waste $60 to GO to the park because "well you don't know for a fact its bad" is the lamest argument I have ever heard. I could tell right from the start Tokyo Disneysea would be good, Dak would be good, HP land at IOA would be good, DCA & DSP not so much. It doesn't take a genius or a physical visit to come to these kinds of conclusions.

 

[The Conundrum]

MGM originally opened with two main concepts going on at once: 1) a working movie studio and 2) the glamorous Hollywood that never was. #1 was easily achieved by the Backlot Tour and working animation studio. With Hollywood Boulevard's re-creations of actual landmarks, and Sunset Boulevard which opened a few years later, MGM also did a great job creating an exciting Hollywood atmosphere. The theme of the park is a little bit confused now, but the park still did a great job re-creating the golden age of movies.

At California Adventure, there's a reason why the area is known as "Hollywood Pictures Backlot". This title allowed the area to be designed with minimal theme and detail: after all, movie backlots are generally bare and ugly, with only a few set pieces. That's exactly what you get at DCA. I'm a fan of DHS, so I find it insulting that Hollywood Pictures Backlot could be viewed as a mini-DHS.

And yes, I've been to California Adventure - last year. It was pretty terrible (besides Grizzly River Run), and I refuse to go back until TLM and WoC are open (I don't care about Cars).

Couldn't have said it better myself.

BTW, im not even a DHS fan but I too was offended/shocked when he compared HPB to DHS. Like come on who are these guys trying to BS? Do they really not know better? If they don't then all I can say is wow maybe TDA was right and Six Flags really is "good enough" :lol:

 

[nemofinder22]

But back to Fantasyland, The layout for The Little Mermaid-Ariel's Undersea Adventure can be seen very briefly in the Blue Sky Cellar video-
http://www.mouseinfo.com/gallery/files/4/1/2/7/dl142061_original.jpg


Pay very close attention to the shape of the building and load/unload areas, then take the MK Fantasyland blue prints and spin them so you have the west view of the plans, they seem to match pretty closely... Although I still dont think a clone is good for either park, especially if they ever want DCA to have any exclusive attractions....

 

[_Scar]

But back to Fantasyland, The layout for The Little Mermaid-Ariel's Undersea Adventure can be seen very briefly in the Blue Sky Cellar video-
http://www.mouseinfo.com/gallery/files/4/1/2/7/dl142061_original.jpg


Pay very close attention to the shape of the building and load/unload areas, then take the MK Fantasyland blue prints and spin them so you have the west view of the plans, they seem to match pretty closely... Although I still dont think a clone is good for either park, especially if they ever want DCA to have any exclusive attractions....

TLM is a classic, so I don't think it's a bad idea for MK. But WDI must know the fans are craving a BatB dark ride...

 

[lazyboy97o]

TLM is a classic, so I don't think it's a bad idea for MK. But WDI must know the fans are craving a BatB dark ride...

I must be the only one, but I am not so sure Beauty and the Beast would translate well to a dark ride.

 

[Animaniac93-98]

I must be the only one, but I am not so sure Beauty and the Beast would translate well to a dark ride.

No you are not the only one.

 

[_Scar]

No you are not the only one.

what are your arguments? it's no different from telling a story in any other dark ride....

 

[janoimagine]

2) Shouldn't WoC go into DAK between EE and the tree for DAK's night show?

That is an excellent point, it would seem (for what my opinion's worth) too fit in the big open water in front of Everest. Great idea. I would also like to see the tech used in Illuminations, especially the rotating fire turret.
Part of me however agrees with 74's comment, that this show should stay exclusive to DCA, that being said a rethought version for WDW with different elements/idea's would be great.

 

[janoimagine]

Sorry for the drift, back to Fantasyland.

 

[Animaniac93-98]

what are your arguments? it's no different from telling a story in any other dark ride....

Do a search, you'll see them.

I'd like to see your arguments on why it would it would be any good.