The New Fantasyland

[TP2000]

They're investing $1.2 billion at DCA and it's only including one E-Ticket. They could have just as easily put in 6 $200 million attractions and not tried to retheme and rebrand the park.

To be fair, the 1 Billion Dollar DCA Extreme Makeover has two (2) E Tickets;
The Little Mermaid: Ariel's Undersea Adventure that opens in 2011 and Radiator Springs Racers that opens in 2012.

Unless you don't consider Haunted Mansion, Jungle Cruise or It's A Small World to be E Tickets, of course.

The DCA expansion also includes two C Tickets, Luigi's Flyin' Tires and Mater's Junkyard Jamboree, and a B Ticket with the Pacific Electric Red Cars. And a heap of themeing and the night spectacular World of Color. The new WDI website is up today by the way, http://www.disneyscaliforniaadventure.com Amazing artwork at that site!

That said, it is a little odd that this Fantasyland remodel is rumored to be in the $500 Million range for a budget, but it only includes one actual new ride, plus an extra Dumbo spinner, and four heavily themed Princess meet n' greets. I would have thought there would have been at least one additional attraction that involved a moving ride vehicle, if not two of those, for a $500 Million price tag.

But maybe the new Princess meet n' greets are going to be cooler than we think? :shrug:

 

[The Conundrum]

To be fair, the 1 Billion Dollar DCA Extreme Makeover has two (2) E Tickets;
The Little Mermaid: Ariel's Undersea Adventure that opens in 2011 and Radiator Springs Racers that opens in 2012.

Unless you don't consider Haunted Mansion, Jungle Cruise or It's A Small World to be E Tickets, of course.

The DCA expansion also includes two C Tickets, Luigi's Flyin' Tires and Mater's Junkyard Jamboree, and a B Ticket with the Pacific Electric Red Cars. And a heap of themeing and the night spectacular World of Color. The new WDI website is up today by the way, http://www.disneyscaliforniaadventure.com Amazing artwork at that site!

That said, it is a little odd that this Fantasyland remodel is rumored to be in the $500 Million range for a budget, but it only includes one actual new ride, plus an extra Dumbo spinner, and four heavily themed Princess meet n' greets. I would have thought there would have been at least one additional attraction that involved a moving ride vehicle, if not two of those, for a $500 Million price tag.

But maybe the new Princess meet n' greets are going to be cooler than we think? :shrug:

Actually the second dumbo spinner would most likely (hopefully) be the preexisting aladdin spinner so that can't cost too much money.

 

[Scar Junior]

In response to the "Princess" land that we are seeing on the plans, I don't think it's too 'girly'. I think it's a fair balance between Adventureland and Fantasyland. Adventureland is very boyish.


Now we just need an Adventureland update...:wave:

I don't think it's too 'girly' either... it is Fantasyland afterall! It's always going to be somewhat 'girlie' ... and less 'masculine' than other parts of Disney Parks for that matter.

Besides, I much prefer the mini-lands of BatB, Mermaid and Cinderella to vacant lots and Toontown Fair :hurl:

I could do without Pixie Hollow, but it reads to me to be a better themed version of what was there before. And with the trees, streams, etc. it will be hidden away and more appealing to those who merely walk by.

 

[The Conundrum]

I don't think it's too 'girly' either... it is Fantasyland afterall! It's always going to be somewhat 'girlie' ... and less 'masculine' than other parts of Disney Parks for that matter.

This is a really bizare misconception of Fantasyland. Fantasyland was designed to be a tribute to Disney animation and fantasy stories. Lets look at the original lineup:

Snow White
Mr.Toad
Peter Pan
20,000 Leagues Under the sea
It's a small World
Carousel
Dumbo
Mad Tea Party
Skyway
Mickey Mouse Revue

Doesn't seem very girly to me. In fact majority of the rides are either masculine or gender neutral. Lets look at Disneyland's current lineup:

Snow White
Mr. Toad
Peter Pan
Pinnochio
It's a small World
Carousel
Dumbo
Mad Tea Party
Alice in wonderland
Storybook land w/canal boats
Casey Jr. train
and you can count Town Toon with the awsome Roger Rabbit ride

Again not too girly either

This new MK proposal is extremly girly and has no sense of balance. Jt is trying to spin it saying im not the target audiance FAMILIES are but wasn't that always the case and if you look at MK's original lineup and DL's current one you will see that they are far more appealing to all parties than this proposal. It's not really an opinion its a fact.

 

[Rob562]

OK, to keep away from the squabbling going on, I thought I'd throw in my views (many of which have already bee touched on elsewhere in the thread, but thought I'd put my own spin on them)

In no particular order:

-I definitely see "Cheese Coaster" in the smaller lettering over by Barnstormer. I think it's quite possible that Mickey is getting his own coaster, perhaps with a Meet n Greet worked in there somehow.

-Something random, but can anyone make out what it says between Gaston's Tavern and the Mermaid attraction? It says very faintly "Relocated Hood ?????". Whatever it is, it's definitely within the "Be Our Guest/Gaston" area boundary.

-The Cinderella attraction definitely looks like some kind of double-theater show. You queue up and enter in the center. From there it's very much set up in a HM/AE sort of layout, where you enter into a theater to either side. You then continue to exit toward the sides into the outer room (perhaps the photo op with Cinderella?), and then exit out at the very ends, out to the front of the building again. The long hallway in the upper right of the building is most likely cast access to the various rooms, as well as dressing rooms in the extreme upper-right corner for both that and the Aurora Meet n Greet/Attraction which is also connected to that same hallway. Perhaps the "stage" part of the Cinderella attraction involves the Fairy Godmother?

-Getting over to that Aurora "attraction", it looks like a Mickey's House setup, where you walk through a queue that's the attraction, looks like it's in multiple steps/rooms, and then the Meet n Greet at the very end, where the large circle is. Perhaps the queue will be recreations of the dioramas from Disneyland (That large overlaid circle icon is throwing me... Isn't that kind of symbol usually indicate a tree? It's been a while since I've seen SB, but did the 3 Fairies live in a tree or a cottage under a tree or something?)

-It's already been mentioned that the LM attraction will most likely be using two floors, where you perhaps enter at Kingdom level, and somehow get down to Utilidor/ground level, either via the queue or during the attraction. (Imagine the coolness factor if your ride car actually went *down* under the sea at the start of the ride?)


But what if the LM attraction wasn't the only two-level location in the land? What if a good chunk of the land used a two-level approach?

It was already pointed out by someone (Servo?) that there appears to be a Utilidor-level hallway from the Cindy/Aurora complex over to the main entrance of the tunnels. (note that there's a stream that runs from the BOG kitchen down toward Cindy's place, under the walkway, right through where the tunnel is. Wonder if they'll be clever with the water systems to hide the fact that there'd ever be a walkway under there)

There are also a number of indicators that the BOG/Gaston complex is two levels, with one of them being at Utilidor level... There are semi trucks parked to the west of the kitchen, which would be at Utilidor level at some sort of new loading dock. There's a large elevator and stairs within the space marked as the kitchen.

So, with there being a lower level to the kitchen area, what if Guests entered the BOG restaurant from the park and found themselves on the balcony level, looking *down* at the main floor?

The building marked "Belle Attraction" could also be two levels, as it's also part of that BOG/Gaston complex. And the Cindy/Aurora tunnel skirts the southern edge of the building, leaving it open to be used at the Utilidor level (or, it could just be access from the new loading dock to the current Utilidors).
As for the Belle Attraction, something about the repeating pattern of walls and stuff inside is trying to bug my brain about something... Maybe it'll be some sort of personalized interactive adventure? Where each family or group is given their own "room", kind of like the Pirates game at DisneyQuest, or "Where's the Fire?" in Innoventions.
Or, it could just be another elaborate queue leading up to a Meet n Greet that's longer because Belle is more popular than Aurora....

-Oh, one last thing... With them moving Dumbo *away* from the roof of the Utilidors, maybe we'll FINALLY see those water features under the elephants installed????

Well, I think that about covers everything I've noticed for now...


-Rob

 

[aladdin2007]

I dont think there are any new attractions with this except Little Mermaid. All the rest is meet and greets and the new beauty and beast dining (character dining most likely, and gastons being quick service). Even though the blueprint says cinderella attraction, belle attraction etc, it looks too small and is clearly highly themed character areas. Personally I feel its overkill on cinderella and princesses, but Im excited for TLM. I hope the rest of Fantasyland still gets a facade makeover or something but doesnt look like it on that blueprint, if its the real mccoy.

 

[HDS]

The wife i all about Pixie Hollow, so thats IYO.

 

[TP2000]

Lets look at Disneyland's current lineup:

Snow White
Mr. Toad
Peter Pan
Pinnochio
It's a small World
Carousel
Dumbo
Mad Tea Party
Alice in wonderland
Storybook land w/canal boats
Casey Jr. train
and you can count Town Toon with the awsome Roger Rabbit ride

Again not too girly either.

You forgot Matterhorn Bobsleds, the original E Ticket and very first Disney thrill ride.

And if you say it's girly, there's an 8 foot tall Abominable Snowman who would like to speak with you.

 

[Scar Junior]

Actually the second dumbo spinner would most likely (hopefully) be the preexisting aladdin spinner so that can't cost too much money.

I don't know if it's "most likely" the aladdin spinner, but I think we can agree we "hope" it is the aladdin spinner. I'm not sure how people jumped to the conclusion that it's "likely" the aladdin system that will be put in the new location.

On a similar note... does anybody know if Disney has backup spinner arms, cars or motors on hand? This would help clear up if they would retro-fit aladdin, or just build a new dumbo.

 

[The Conundrum]

I don't know if it's "most likely" the aladdin spinner, but I think we can agree we "hope" it is the aladdin spinner. I'm not sure how people jumped to the conclusion that it's "likely" the aladdin system that will be put in the new location.

If its not magic carpets than they might as well rename MK to Spinner Kingdom since the park has more spinners than anything else (2 dumbos, magic carpets, astro orbit)

 

[RobGraves]

i thought "Spinner Kingdom" would be Pixie Hollow.....

 

[aladdin2007]

Someone wrote a post on that site where the blueprint is and they made some good points. One they didnt think it was real because they cant see disney destroying Mickeys house and doing away with it, it would be a PR nightmare. (i kinda agree I think mickeys house should stay in some form somehow) also the post said they didnt think disney would spend all the extra money to move dumbo that far from its current location. He also said the little mermaid showbuilding looks way too small,,,another great point was that most blueprints refer to the real names, not just teacups or the incorrectly spelled carousel, when its really cinderellas golden carrousel and we all know its not called indy race cars, which is what is says on that map. sooooooooo i dunno yet :shrug:

 

[Scar Junior]

The wife i all about Pixie Hollow, so thats IYO.

(I assume you're referring to my post)

Yes, it is my opinion... which is why I said it!

Just so there's no misunderstanding... If you read the context of my post you'll see that I was responding to the "girly" factor people have mentioned. I also stated that Pixie Hollow is an upgrade from what is currently there. I'm not hating!

 

[TP2000]

The loading area for The Little Mermaid omnimover system appears to be in a circular area that has the vehicles disappearing down a "whirlpool", likely taking them to the lower level to start their trip through the show. That would help explain why the building for the Mermaid ride itself looks very small compared to the other attractions in the land.

That makes Lee's and others assertions that The Little Mermaid show building is much larger than it seems to make a lot of sense. I'm surprised I was the only one to notice that both the Standby and Fastpass lines lead to this circular, downward spiraling Omnimover loading area. But this thread is so long, I may have missed it.

You can see this effect and loading area very clearly in the blueprint contained in this thread on another board, for those interested. http://micechat.com/forums/walt-dis...2-fantasyland-refurb-blueprints-online-4.html

 

[aladdin2007]

The loading area for The Little Mermaid omnimover system appears to be in a circular area that has the vehicles disappearing down a "whirlpool", likely taking them to the lower level to start their trip through the show. That would help explain why the building for the Mermaid ride itself looks very small compared to the other attractions in the land.

That makes Lee's and others assertions that The Little Mermaid show building is much larger than it seems to make a lot of sense. I'm surprised I was the only one to notice that both the Standby and Fastpass lines lead to this circular, downward spiraling Omnimover loading area. But this thread is so long, I may have missed it.

You can see this effect and loading area very clearly in the blueprint contained in this thread on another board, for those interested. http://micechat.com/forums/walt-dis...2-fantasyland-refurb-blueprints-online-4.html

Very interesting, but that circular building was on the promotional video for the ride in disneyland on the imagineering website and it had lasseter looking over the model of it, and it looked like it was actually show scenes. but maybe thats their version, while ours is a load/unload. the other thing is tho there are two dumbo areas on that map, one area clearly marked with two dumbo spinners, and another closer to the tracks further down just marked dumbo which Im not sure why. Also dumbo does not fit in too well among pixie hollow, some of this just looks to be a bit messy in theme and placement.

 

[TP2000]

Very interesting, but that circular building was on the promotional video for the ride in disneyland on the imagineering website and it had lasseter looking over the model of it, and it looked like it was actually show scenes.

No, I don't mean the big circular room in the middle of the building that holds the Under The Sea production number part of the ride. I'm talking about the smaller circular area in the northwest corner of the building.

Follow both the Standby queue (the longer one) and the Fastpass queue (the shorter one) and notice that they lead to the loading area that is the circular pattern of vehicles that appear to descend and "disappear" into the level below.

That to me looks like a circular loading area of the Omnimover, much like the original Omnimover had with Disneyland's Adventure Thru Inner Space attraction from 1967. http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_TGo4qE9oTCo/Rf1Q2teH30I/AAAAAAAAAGk/O2h47f5ABf4/s400/innerspace.jpg

Except this time in the Mermaid application it continues to spiral down beneath itself and to a lower level. I would have to imagine that's going to be a whirlpool effect to descend beneath the sea.

This is also the kind of schematic detail that has led me to believe this blueprint many of us now have saved on our computers is in fact a legit document. :wave:

 

[CaptainMichael]

Very similar to plans I heard about 2 years ago. This will do alot to alleviate the chaos and pain of Fantasyland. Also, another Table Service for them to exploit with characters and high prices. Everyone wins!


Hope the interactive Pixie lanterns come to fruition also...

 

[adam_goodger]

Wow, that looks . . . surprisingly legitimate. I don't know anything about the plans myself, but that plan looks a lot more . . . real . . . than I was expecting.


Anyone who knows anything want to weigh in?

Of particular interest to me, notice over by Mickey and Minnie's houses (or where they would be in correspondence to the illustration) that there's Dumbo A and Dumbo B, as well as a "Next-Gen Interactive Queue". Looks like the Toontown Train Station would be Dumbo themed as well, assuming any of this is real, which it may or may not be.

Very interesting none the less! Thanks for posting!

Where are the images of these plans you are all talking about. I can't seem to find them any where

 

[Ragetti]

What does it say ontop of the word Belle in the schematics? Does it say B&B attraction?? If we get a B&B dark ride I will :sohappy:

It says "Belle Attraction." The area is too small for a dark ride. I don't know what it is. I doubt it's just a themed "meet and greet" since there are other spots on the prints labelled as Meet and Greet (Ariel and Pooh).

 

[Ragetti]

Whoever said the Pooh's playground was getting removed is wrong its still on the map.

If you look at the new pooh area, I think it looks more like the current Ariel Meet and Greet.... mainly a queue area for the the character meet, but with some playground-type features to keep the chillins entertained while waiting.