paul436
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They use these type of buses throughout NYC. If they can get around NYC traffic they can get around anything.
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The new articulated bendy Bus
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They use these type of buses throughout NYC. If they can get around NYC traffic they can get around anything.
Kamikaze
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More like $5-$15m a mile, if we're being realistic.
G00fyDad
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Actually, I have to apologize. ISTCNavigator57 was right. I made a rookie move and bought the urban legend garbage hook, line, and sinker. The $1 million a mile thing is actually not true. I looked it up and Las Vegas put in a similar system (actually gotten from Disney) and it cost them nearly $645 million for just 4.4 miles. The source I looked up said Disney would not have as much problems as Las Vegas did so their cost would likely be more around $100 million per mile.
montyz81
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Does this figure assume new trains? I am trying to figure out how it would cost $100m/mile if it is just new Right of Way that they would be putting in?
G00fyDad
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I would assume that is for trains as well. But with that short of a distance they could possibly use the existing trains.
Las Vegas Monorail via Wikipedia said:
Yesterland said:
Unplugged
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No worries. Without the engineering plan in front of us, we're all just guestimating anyway.
I was just on the Vegas system last month for a business conference. On thing that simple number ($645m) does NOT convey and I see few mentioning is that there are 7 stations over that line which is an average (I am saying average) of 1 station every 1/2 mile. That would most likely NOT be the case with a longer Disney extension.
Another big point about the cost for Vegas is the extreme infrastructure built for each station. Comparing the Contemporary, Polynesian, and Grand Floridian to the stations at the Vegas casinos we see that the Disney resort stations are FAR simpler due to the nature of the system, level of the platforms, etc. The Vegas stations are designed like the typical mass transit system you'd find in any major metropolitan as they are behind the resorts and elevated over the "back office" infrastructure of the resorts and require lengthy walkways, mall entrances, dedicated elevators & escalators, ticketing, etc. BIG costs.
So all-in-all, don't be too hard on yourself about overlooking anything. Personally I believe the cost to be quite low for the infrastructure compared to Vegas. IMHO, a WDW 4 mile extension should be below $200m. Still a lot, but not Vegas by any means.
RonAnnArbor
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Wow people seem to not understand what these busses are---
These are not anykind of "new" bus, or something "new" being tested specifically for WDW ----
These double-size busses are in use all over the country in larger urban areas. SF has more of these than single busses. They are used in NYC on crosstown routes. They are in use all over the place.
THe testing going on at WDW is more about dispatch, parking, and movement than if they will "work" at the resorts -- of course they will work.
They also don't need to be used at all resorts -- they can use them wherever they want. It doesn't mean all their busses would be replaced-- these would be there IN ADDITION TO what they already have.
The only downside to these is that there is no seating between the front unit and the back unit -- that means that everyone in the middle/connection area (probably about 20 people on this bus) have to just hold onto grab bars. There are also no windows between the sections, so it's a dark miserable ride )
Whenever I get stuck with one of these busses in NYC, I always go as far back in the second one as I can. I like Windows. I don't like being jostled about by other standers. I don't see any other difference between these busses and the older busses as far as maneuverability, etc.
These are not anykind of "new" bus, or something "new" being tested specifically for WDW ----
These double-size busses are in use all over the country in larger urban areas. SF has more of these than single busses. They are used in NYC on crosstown routes. They are in use all over the place.
THe testing going on at WDW is more about dispatch, parking, and movement than if they will "work" at the resorts -- of course they will work.
They also don't need to be used at all resorts -- they can use them wherever they want. It doesn't mean all their busses would be replaced-- these would be there IN ADDITION TO what they already have.
The only downside to these is that there is no seating between the front unit and the back unit -- that means that everyone in the middle/connection area (probably about 20 people on this bus) have to just hold onto grab bars. There are also no windows between the sections, so it's a dark miserable ride )
Whenever I get stuck with one of these busses in NYC, I always go as far back in the second one as I can. I like Windows. I don't like being jostled about by other standers. I don't see any other difference between these busses and the older busses as far as maneuverability, etc.
G00fyDad
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Yeah, I think we got that.
Really? Try turning the larger busses in the exact same manner. I promise you that the first half will make it just fine but that long a** end is going to pivot and tear the crap outta something.
Yes, there is a difference.
RonAnnArbor
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No, that is wrong. They maneuver the same way. It's the law of physics there. Where the front goes, the attached back with the stretchable center section follows. How do you think they maneuver the tight turns and hill in Forest Hills in San Francisco? Or the turns from Amsterdam onto w 82nd street in NYC. Or go around parked up trucks on the narrow side streets on 65th street and still make the turn onto Central Park West?....
Tigger#1
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We need to set these up like the huge ladder trucks and have someone ride in the back for rear steer:ROFLOL:
Honestly if a person has never pulled a long tralier before they won't understand what it takes to make a tight corner with one. Yes the trailer follows the steer wheels but in a straight line.
Honestly if a person has never pulled a long tralier before they won't understand what it takes to make a tight corner with one. Yes the trailer follows the steer wheels but in a straight line.
G00fyDad
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They maneuver the same as a train. And I took physics too. You're trying to say that the front end of the back section will go to the exact same location as the front of the front section to negotiate the turn. Wow. You actually think that works? When the rear of the main section of the bus makes the turn (turning as if the rear section was not there) the rear section would only move forward about 50% of the distance needed to make the turn. Then it would sweep to the side, since it is still attached to the back of the main section, and rip apart anything it hits. :lol: You have to A) drive them different and B) drive them in wider spaces. :wave:
Kamikaze
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Most of the cost of the LV monorail was because of the location.
The per-mile cost at WDW wouldn't be as high. If I had to really try and put a number on it, I'd put it at $12.5m to $25m per mile, just to properly ballpark the system.
Also, the original LV monorail cost did not include new trains. They repurposed two Mark IV trains from WDW for the system.
Also - the capacity of the LV monorail is only 240 people. Judge that against one of these articulated buses.
G00fyDad
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Trust me, I'm not arguing the desire to have a monorail system connected to DTD from the EPCOT station. Not at all. I think this board, and others like it, would explode from the information coming to light.
unkadug
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They maneuver the same as a train. And I took physics too. You're trying to say that the front end of the back section will go to the exact same location as the front of the front section to negotiate the turn. Wow. You actually think that works? When the rear of the main section of the bus makes the turn (turning as if the rear section was not there) the rear section would only move forward about 50% of the distance needed to make the turn. Then it would sweep to the side, since it is still attached to the back of the main section, and rip apart anything it hits. :lol: You have to A) drive them different and B) drive them in wider spaces. :wave:
Unless they make them like the parking lot trams. They always amaze me. That long train of cars can make a U-Turn and each individual car will follow the exact same turn in the exact same place.
G00fyDad
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unkadug
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But that is because the wheel base is so much shorter than a bus.
I think the wheel bases are also articulated.
Perhaps they could do it like the long firetrucks and have a rear driver also! :lol:
G00fyDad
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OMG, I'd pay good money to see that comedy! :lol::lol:
Thrill
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Last I checked (probably a year ago), a monorail system built a few years ago with a track similar to WDW's cost roughly $30 million per mile.
unkadug
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Kamikaze
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You know what else would explode? The shareholders. With outrage over the waste.