The Muppets Present… Great Moments in American History'

[Magenta Panther]

Effectively immortal, meaning he will not die of old age or starvation or anything like that. If you read comics, you'd know the difference between immortal, which is what I said, and invulnerable, which is what you apparently inferred, as that's Vandal Savage's whole shtick in DC Comics.

And yet Pinocchio ate and drank in Pleasure Island. Why would he do that if he wasn't prone to starvation?

And Stromboli said old. It's part of the film's narrative. Where are you getting your screwball theory from? (And I can't believe I'm debating puppet longevity with an attention ho.)

 

[Magenta Panther]

I stopped reading about a third of the way in.

Oh darn, I forgot the hand puppets!

 

[Magenta Panther]

That's why I stopped reading.

You had no counter-argument.

 

[Next Big Thing]

Listening to "Hamilton" now.

And yes, there are a lot of people who refuse to see "Hamilton". And HATE the idea of it. My brother being one of them. He's a racist bigot, even though he will say he is not, he honestly believes he is just being logical and stating the obvious.

I wish I had the choice to "refuse" to see it! You can't get tickets anywhere at a reasonable price

 

[PhotoDave219]

Listening to "Hamilton" now.

And yes, there are a lot of people who refuse to see "Hamilton". And HATE the idea of it. My brother being one of them. He's a racist bigot, even though he will say he is not, he honestly believes he is just being logical and stating the obvious.

I'd actually like to see Hamilton but I simply cannot stand the hype that surrounds it.

That and every time I hear the name i think of the Citizen's Bank commercials introducing Alexander Hamilton as the father of modern banking during Phillies broadcasts.

 

[PhotoDave219]

The same could honestly be said of you sometimes. Earlier you went on a rant about others belittling people while you yourself were doing nothing but.

Why is it okay for you to like something, but it's not okay for somebody else not to? Calling somebody ignorant because they dislike something you happen to like is a little hypocritical.

See below and have fun picking apart the rampant irony throughout as you do exactly what you're going on about others doing.

Well Jake, you're simply being the Pot calling the Kettle Black.

Speaking of KettleBlacks, has anyone seen the Queen?

 

[Disneyhead'71]

The same could honestly be said of you sometimes. Earlier you went on a rant about others belittling people while you yourself were doing nothing but.

Why is it okay for you to like something, but it's not okay for somebody else not to? Calling somebody ignorant because they dislike something you happen to like is a little hypocritical.

See below and have fun picking apart the rampant irony throughout as you do exactly what you're going on about others doing.

I'm glad someone caught the irony. I tried to go over the top there at the end to make it obvious. I literally say, why can't people politely say their piece followed by explosive diarrhea of the fingers.

 

[Matt_Black]

And yet Pinocchio ate and drank in Pleasure Island. Why would he do that if he wasn't prone to starvation?

And Stromboli said old. It's part of the film's narrative. Where are you getting your screwball theory from? (And I can't believe I'm debating puppet longevity with an attention ho.)

Just because you don't have to do something doesn't mean you can't? And we're going to trust Stromboli? He's a villain! Generally not a trustworthy sort.

 

[MagicHappens1971]

Any truth to this?

 

[Magenta Panther]

Just because you don't have to do something doesn't mean you can't? And we're going to trust Stromboli? He's a villain! Generally not a trustworthy sort.

The Blue Fairy brought Pinocchio, a puppet, to life. And living things have to eat. And living things tend to age. Pinocchio is a living puppet, who, naturally, doesn't want to remain one. He isn't a real boy. He can't grow up, but he can get old. He can deteriorate. Wood warps and cracks and buckles and splinters. Paint can fade. He's a thing who wants to be a person. That was the point of the film. Stromboli wanted him to stay a puppet so he could exploit and abuse him without fear of repercussion. Because Pinocchio has no status as a human. You think Pinocchio's remaining a puppet would be awesome? Stromboli - and Honest John and Gideon - would totally agree!

 

[Magenta Panther]

I'm glad someone caught the irony. I tried to go over the top there at the end to make it obvious.

Suuuuure you did.

 

[Disneyhead'71]

Suuuuure you did.

Sometimes, us MENSA members' sense of humor is lost on the plebs.

 

[KikoKea]

This is good, IMHO. Little kids will like the Muppet characters and most adults will remember the Muppets in one form or another- the original show (for oldies like me) or movies, etc. If they teach a little history and make people laugh, that will be fun.

The Liberty area never struck me as being sacred or reverent- a bit on the dull side, perhaps. Other than going into the HoP or watching the parade at the corner by the stocks, I've never lingered in the area. But, I'll make the effort to catch Miss Piggy and Kermie, for sure!

 

[FigmentJedi]

Then there's the flip side, when fans attack those who dislike what they love by saying "you have no soul" and act like you've attacked their religion. It's a little weird, to say the least. For my part, I've never argued that the puppets were successful in their day.

But you have this sadistic glee about you when they fail and you spend a disproportionate amount of focus on decrying them. The thing is, even with their underperforming newer efforts, there's a broad affection for the Muppets within the culture and it's rare to see someone invest so much time and effort in spreading bile and hatred over them still being a thing.

You're basically Scott from South Park

 

[zengoth]

Admittedly this is a part of the MK I avoid because there always seems to be a parade going thru the area, (or setting up or just ending). There's enough foot traffic congestion as is - is this show potentially going to take up most of the corridor or will it be contained? (I avoid crowds by sneaking around Sleepy Hollow past the porch with the rockers, so I know there's some room to push crowds out of the way)

 

[Disneyhead'71]

My take on the whole thing is The Muppets are a great franchise. And Disney are horrible stewards of the franchise. Most output since Disney bought them has been disappointing at best. The Muppets are a product of depth and nuance. Disney is the shallowest of shallow entities. No surprise they couldn't make The Muppets works. The brain trust at Disney isn't intellectually mature enough to successfully guide The Muppets.

 

[Matt_Black]

The Blue Fairy brought Pinocchio, a puppet, to life. And living things have to eat. And living things tend to age. Pinocchio is a living puppet, who, naturally, doesn't want to remain one. He isn't a real boy. He can't grow up, but he can get old. He can deteriorate. Wood warps and cracks and buckles and splinters. Paint can fade. He's a thing who wants to be a person. That was the point of the film. Stromboli wanted him to stay a puppet so he could exploit and abuse him without fear of repercussion. Because Pinocchio has no status as a human. You think Pinocchio's remaining a puppet would be awesome? Stromboli - and Honest John and Gideon - would totally agree!

With proper maintenance, Pinocchio would outlive other boys his age. There's a wooden rolling pin that my grandmother had before I was born, still in good shape!

 

[FigmentJedi]

My take on the whole thing is The Muppets are a great franchise. And Disney are horrible stewards of the franchise. Most output since Disney bought them has been disappointing at best. The Muppets are a product of depth and nuance. Disney is the shallowest of shallow entities. No surprise they couldn't make The Muppets works. The brain trust at Disney isn't intellectually mature enough to successfully guide The Muppets.

The two movies were fine and the ABC show picked up steam as it went on, but yeah, the problem is the lack of focus and drive. There's no Kevin Feige or Kathleen Kennedy and Lucasfilm Story Group over at the Muppet Studio group. Jason Segel's attempt at reviving the brand basically amounted to a well made self-insert fanfic movie, but he didn't bring much else to the table. Similarly, the Jim Henson Company post-Muppets, has had trouble getting things done. They've announced all sorts of film projects, often tied to the properties they still retain, but they've never really gotten anywhere and they've mostly been getting by on PBS digital puppetry shows and licensing out the stuff they still own.

That's why I think Disney finishing the job and buying the rest of Henson would benefit both sides. Get Brian and the Henson family involved in actually charting out a course for the Muppets future (maybe reach out to Frank as well since he's very much unimpressed by how Segel/Disney handled the two recent movies). In turn, get the wheels turning on the Fraggles, Dark Crystal and Labyrinth universe projects and maybe Disney can finally stop strip-mining the animation library for live-action Fantasy films.

 

[Disneyhead'71]

The two movies were fine and the ABC show picked up steam as it went on, but yeah, the problem is the lack of focus and drive. There's no Kevin Feige or Kathleen Kennedy and Lucasfilm Story Group over at the Muppet Studio group. Jason Segel's attempt at reviving the brand basically amounted to a well made self-insert fanfic movie, but he didn't bring much else to the table. Similarly, the Jim Henson Company post-Muppets, has had trouble getting things done. They've announced all sorts of film projects, often tied to the properties they still retain, but they've never really gotten anywhere and they've mostly been getting by on PBS digital puppetry shows and licensing out the stuff they still own.

That's why I think Disney finishing the job and buying the rest of Henson would benefit both sides. Get Brian and the Henson family involved in actually charting out a course for the Muppets future (maybe reach out to Frank as well since he's very much unimpressed by how Segel/Disney handled the two recent movies). In turn, get the wheels turning on the Fraggles, Dark Crystal and Labyrinth universe projects and maybe Disney can finally stop strip-mining the animation library for live-action Fantasy films.

For some reason, I feel NBC/Universal will go after The Jim Henson Co.

 

[FigmentJedi]

For some reason, I feel NBC/Universal will go after The Jim Henson Co.

If Sony had the money to actually go for an acquisition, I feel like they'd be pouncing on it. They already got the video/distribution rights to the Creature Shop stuff and I see the in-talks Labyrinth sequel as an effort at trying to get another franchise going since Ghostbusters really underperformed despite what its defenders tell you.