The Muppets Present… Great Moments in American History'

Matt_Black

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It's a street show, and I think it's a great idea as long as they teach legit American history with the trademark classic Muppets humor. Our nation has a fascinating story to tell. Now Disney needs to restore the original Liberty Square BGM instead of the Sousa marches.

Sousa was a jerk, anyway. You know how whenever any sort of technology comes out, some in the entertainment industry are, "Quick, government! Kill it, or it will destroy our business, which is bad because REASONS!" THAT was Sousa when the phonograph came out.
 

No Name

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I mean absolutely no offense here, because we're usually on the same page with things... But this is hands down one of the most ridiculous things I've ever read on here.

Regarding this announcement, I can't believe everybody is suddenly on board out of nowhere. We've known that this was going to be themed to American history this whole time. Everybody is suddenly acting like they thought that this was going to be recreations of scenes from the ABC show or something and now we've learned that it's about American history and we're just all onboard.

Thematically, this is terrible. Liberty Square is meant to be a reverent reflection on our early history as a nation. It is meant to present an idealized snapshot in time. Yes, Haunted Mansion is there, but that's a weak excuse. The interior of Haunted Mansion is where the ghosts are and they do not affect the place making of the land itself. This show definitely will.

This is absolutely a slap in the face to the phenomenal work of the early Imagineers who so brilliantly designed what basically amounted to our version of New Orleans Square. Though, based in Disney's complete regard for the sister square on the west coast with its recent botched redo, nothing should really be surprising anymore.

Sadly, though, this is not anything new as the theme of Liberty Square has been slowly whittled away for years now. Between the Christmas shop and characters of Liberty Tree Tavern (which thankfully is no more), this is just the latest in a string of questionable decisions that modern Disney has made over the last twenty or so years.

I completely adore the Muppets, so this has nothing whatsoever to do with that. This is akin to Frozen in Norway and GotG in ToT or Epcot. The fact that everybody is jumping on board is exactly why Disney keeps making these questionable decisions. Nobody holds them accountable anymore.

Have you ever seen Crash Course by John Green? Far more entertaining and informative than the HoP. On top of that, my high school history class was undoubtedly more entertaining and educational than this theme park attraction. That's bad. The Hall of Presidents is basically watching a video for about 13 minutes, something anyone could do at home. Then the last few minutes consist of watching a bunch of lifeless guys on stage nod their heads and occasionally speak. I love history and so I appreciate the attraction, but I still find it incredibly boring.

I wholeheartedly believe that the Muppets reenacting history is a better way to successfully educate and inspiring people. The aestetics of the land is one thing. But it's never been intact as you make it sound. Like I said, it's already harmed on the ground level by tourists, strollers, etc. The buildings and entire land will for the most part remain as they are... all that's being added is a show.

That's a small sacrifice for the immense oppurtunity that the Muppets bring to make history fun and allow children (and heck, most adults) to enjoy learning about the roots of their country.

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My second and perhaps most important point is that this is absolutely not akin to Frozen in Epcot. The Frozen ride and characters do nothing to focus on and educate about Norway. Instead, it is just a ride through Arendelle, for the sake of having a Frozen ride. If the ride were to use the characters to somehow educate about Norway (akin to the Muppets educating about American history), I would've been okay with its takeover of Maelstrom (disregarding capacity issues and such). Same with Guardians.

From reading what you said... it seems that's the difference: you would not support a fictional, cartoon IP in a real-world setting, even if that IP is able to educate about that setting in a far more popular and enjoyable way.

If the conclusion above is correct, well... that's unfortunate. Regardless, if my opinion was truly one of the most rediculous things you've read, I suppose there's no convincing you. At least not now. Maybe in many years you will revisit this post and see what I mean. I sure hope so.
 
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FigmentJedi

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Have you ever seen Crash Course by John Green? Far more entertaining and informative than the HoP. On top of that, my high school history class was undoubtedly more entertaining and educational than this theme park attraction. That's bad. The Hall of Presidents is basically watching a video for about 13 minutes, something anyone could do at home. Then the last few minutes consist of watching a bunch of lifeless guys on stage nod their heads and occasionally speak. I love history and so I appreciate the attraction, but I still find it incredibly boring.
I'd say the current Hall of Presidents has done a lot to make the show warmer for the audience what with its narrative focus on Presidents as people. Not to mention restructuring the show and putting the Lincoln speech in the middle breaks up the monotony of the film and really fixes the pacing
 

Cmdr_Crimson

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But where will they perform?

The Three windows above Heritage House (Building to the Right) Will be where The Muppets are doing their show..
Liberty-Square.jpg
 

YodaMan

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To the people who think it's going to blend entertainment and education about american history...you know they aren't going to do that right? I mean come'on It's the Muppets.

I still think they will. As long as Sam is in the show, at least one character will attempt to tell the ACTUAL historical accounts. I envision it like the Frozen Sing Along with the historians, where Eric is often wrong and butchers the story to humorous effect but Aria always jumps in to correct him and tell it properly. It'll just be Sam Eagle constantly correcting the crazy accounts of his other fuzzy friends.
 

NearTheEars

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I mean absolutely no offense here, because we're usually on the same page with things... But this is hands down one of the most ridiculous things I've ever read on here.

Regarding this announcement, I can't believe everybody is suddenly on board out of nowhere. We've known that this was going to be themed to American history this whole time. Everybody is suddenly acting like they thought that this was going to be recreations of scenes from the ABC show or something and now we've learned that it's about American history and everything is suddenly okay somehow.

Thematically, this is terrible. Liberty Square is meant to be a reverent reflection on our early history as a nation. It is meant to present an idealized snapshot in time. Yes, Haunted Mansion is there, but that's a weak excuse. The interior of Haunted Mansion is where the ghosts are and they do not affect the place making of the land itself. This show definitely will.

This is absolutely a slap in the face to the phenomenal work of the early Imagineers who so brilliantly designed what basically amounted to our version of New Orleans Square. Though, based in Disney's complete regard for the sister square on the west coast with its recent botched redo, nothing should really be surprising anymore.

Sadly, though, this is not anything new as the theme of Liberty Square has been slowly whittled away for years now. Between the Christmas shop and characters of Liberty Tree Tavern (which thankfully is no more), this is just the latest in a string of questionable decisions that modern Disney has made over the last twenty or so years.

I completely adore the Muppets, so this has nothing whatsoever to do with that. This is akin to Frozen in Norway and GotG in ToT or Epcot. The fact that everybody is jumping on board is exactly why Disney keeps making these questionable decisions. Nobody holds them accountable anymore.

I perfectly understand the rest, but I love walking through Ye Olde Christmas Shoppe, any time of the year. Now, I never got to experience what was there before it, but to me, it's one of my favorite parts.
 

Phicinfan

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I mean absolutely no offense here, because we're usually on the same page with things... But this is hands down one of the most ridiculous things I've ever read on here.

Regarding this announcement, I can't believe everybody is suddenly on board out of nowhere. We've known that this was going to be themed to American history this whole time. Everybody is suddenly acting like they thought that this was going to be recreations of scenes from the ABC show or something and now we've learned that it's about American history and everything is suddenly okay somehow.

Thematically, this is terrible. Liberty Square is meant to be a reverent reflection on our early history as a nation. It is meant to present an idealized snapshot in time. Yes, Haunted Mansion is there, but that's a weak excuse. The interior of Haunted Mansion is where the ghosts are and they do not affect the place making of the land itself. This show definitely will.

This is absolutely a slap in the face to the phenomenal work of the early Imagineers who so brilliantly designed what basically amounted to our version of New Orleans Square. Though, based in Disney's complete regard for the sister square on the west coast with its recent botched redo, nothing should really be surprising anymore.

Sadly, though, this is not anything new as the theme of Liberty Square has been slowly whittled away for years now. Between the Christmas shop and characters of Liberty Tree Tavern (which thankfully is no more), this is just the latest in a string of questionable decisions that modern Disney has made over the last twenty or so years.

I completely adore the Muppets, so this has nothing whatsoever to do with that. This is akin to Frozen in Norway and GotG in ToT or Epcot. The fact that everybody is jumping on board is exactly why Disney keeps making these questionable decisions. Nobody holds them accountable anymore.
With due respect, how is it a slap in the face?

Per the picture the Muppets will be wearing time appropriate costumes, and retelling HISTORY, not fancy tales, but HISTORY in a way to make it more family friendly. Please explain to me where Walt or any Imagineer of any time felt history can ONLY be told in a stodgy way?

They aren't doing Animal drumming the classics here folks. It will be a family friendly fun history review, with characters small children enjoy.

Seriously some of you really need to take a breath and really see this for what it is. As stated before, we can have Mickey and others walking around dressed like this and its fine...but not muppets?
 

alphac2005

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There are many people who interchange the Muppets and Sesame Street characters for obvious reasons. Kermit the Frog has made Sesame Street appearances over the years, so it's no stretch to see why using Muppets in an educational and fun show setting makes perfect sense.

Liberty Square is probably one of the least thought of or revered places in the entire park. They've come up with something to draw people into that area of the MK and to entertain people. How that's a problem is beyond me. Some of these threads certainly make you pause and realize why people bail out on the boards.
 
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AndrewsJ

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I wish they had done this before the now cancelled show on ABC. I just read a rumor that we may see a Muppet presence at EPCOT as well.
 

MrHappy

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I strongly disagree on the new TV show. It was actually great and you're completely wrong about it, miss the point, don't get the jokes and ideas, etc.
I won't debate if the show was good or bad (it got canceled, so...). My main problem was that the characters acted out of character, and I'm tiered of the "talk to the camera for no apparent reason" gimmick that sitcoms have been doing since The Office and Parks and Rec. Any way, my point of mentioning the show was to defend the Muppet brand where many here were siting the show and last movie as reasons for Muppet irrelevance. Where on the contrary, they are generational and iconic. Hopefully live MK show will demonstrate that they still got it and can potentially make Muppet's courtyard at HS that much more popular once reno's are complete.
 

Matt_Black

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My main problem was that the characters acted out of character

I didn't notice that so much. The first few episodes, Gonzo was a bit... quiet for Gonzo, but that kind of ties in with his appearance on the first season of The Muppet Show.

The biggest change was making Uncle Deadly into a sort of Machiavellian Tim Gunn, which was actually pretty brilliant.
 

wdwfan22

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Screamscape (not always the best source) says rumors are the Muppets will be coming to Epcot as well. They were told I'm that we can expect to see the return of the Muppet Mobile Lab interactive characters to the pathways of Epcot in the near future
 

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