The Miscellaneous Thought Thread

[DrAlice]

This gives them the option to add additional premiums likes Six Flags does with Flash Pass. Pay one price gets you a time slot later in the day. Pay a bit more and you get an earlier slot. Pay even more and you get near instant access.

While I of course prefer FREE, this kind of pass would be far more palatable for me than a per-ride thing. I've used LegoLand's system and it was nice. Granted, not many people use it, so it actually works for those of us willing to pay.

In addition to the pay per ride, the Paris system mentioned shutting down the standby line entirely. IMO, that's a terrible idea with implications that would drive me away from Disney.

We'll see what, if any of this, comes to the US parks.

 

[CaptinEO]

This gives them the option to add additional premiums likes Six Flags does with Flash Pass. Pay one price gets you a time slot later in the day. Pay a bit more and you get an earlier slot. Pay even more and you get near instant access.

But no rich person with limited time wants to be checking their phone and scheduling each and every ride. The system fails IMO due to that alone.

Everyone I know who's done line skip passes were either rich or on travel with limited time.

 

[DrAlice]

But no rich person with limited time wants to be checking their phone and scheduling each and every ride. The system fails IMO due to that alone.

Everyone I know who's done line skip passes were either rich or on travel with limited time.

You mean, like MaxPass? I've seen nothing but praise for MaxPass** around here. It's the pay per ride part that is upsetting people.

**EDIT: with the exception of the generalized "FastPass is ruining the parks" arguments

Edited again because I'm apparently illiterate this morning. lol...

 

[CaptinEO]

You mean, like MaxPass? I've seen nothing but praise for MaxPass** around here. It's the pay per ride part that is upsetting people.

**EDIT: with the exception of the generalized "FastPass is ruining the parks" arguments

Edited again because I'm apparently illiterate this morning. lol...

Maxpass and Fastpass are scheduled return times. I mean something like Universal Express Pass or Six Flags Flash Pass (some tiers) where you just show up and skip the line. Disney should just offer this at a premium instead of this unnecessarily confusing system.

 

[DrAlice]

Maxpass and Fastpass are scheduled return times. I mean something like Universal Express Pass or Six Flags Flash Pass (some tiers) where you just show up and skip the line. Disney should just offer this at a premium instead of this unnecessarily confusing system.

Trying to understand your argument (I'm low on caffeine this morning, sorry.. lol)...

You're fine with scheduling a return time on your phone all day (as is required for MaxPass), but think if you have to pay for anything it should be as simple as possible - you just show up when you want and get on the ride with minimal wait. Is that what you mean?

If so, that seems fair. I don't think it would work with Disney-sized crowds, though. Well, maybe it would if the price was astronomical.

 

[CaptinEO]

Trying to understand your argument (I'm low on caffeine this morning, sorry.. lol)...

You're fine with scheduling a return time on your phone all day (as is required for MaxPass), but think if you have to pay for anything it should be as simple as possible - you just show up when you want and get on the ride with minimal wait. Is that what you mean?

If so, that seems fair. I don't think it would work with Disney-sized crowds, though. Well, maybe it would if the price was astronomical.

So basically I think optimally what I like is you pay a stupid amount of money to show up and skip any ride's line you want at any time (no phone BS, no scheduling). No other options for line skipping, no fastpass, maxpass, etc.

If they price it high enough the standard guest should see minimal impact (like how it is at other themeparks).

When you give lineskipping (Fastpass) to all guests or make it cheap (Maxpass) all you end up doing is hugely impacting guests in standby.

The Disneyland Paris system ends up being crazy expensive but you dont even have the benefit of being able to enjoy your trip since you have to end up scheduling each ride and looking at your phone all day.

 

[PiratesMansion]

The one positive about them going to this model is the reality that far, far fewer people would use it.

WDW in particular suffered over the past decade as basically everything took FP+ and most everyone used it. If everyone is using a free system, then standby lines move at a crawl as they did in Florida (I can't be the only one who ended up at a ride, in this case Big Thunder, in a standby line that barely moved while FastPass people surged past continuously like salmon heading upstream). If far fewer people use a paid system, it ends up being a win for everyone. Those who really want the access can shell out for it. Those who don't use it are less affected than they were with FastPass and the standby lines move much more effectively.

Don't get me wrong, I'd rather have MaxPass than this, given the option. But realistically most people are going to balk at this pricing, particularly families, so the average guest is going to be less affected than they would have been pre-covid by FP/MP. Assuming that Disney doesn't do something to further manipulate the system, which is certainly a possibility I wouldn't put past them.

Edited to add: I understand why they'd keep the timeslot. Letting people show up whenever they want sounds nice, but it's better to give timeslots so that you can regulate how many people are going to be pulsing through at any given time. It also doesn't work if everyone has the same idea at the same time. That's why I far prefer the Six Flags Qbot system vs. Cedar Fair's ride whenever system. Cedar Fair's system works great...until you get to Top Thrill Dragster and you're still waiting an hour with the paid shortened wait option, a problem that wouldn't exist if they assigned times.

 

[No Name]

The Frontierland pavement should be replaced with dirt.

 

[truecoat]

In the US, this is a no go. At Disneyland Paris I'd probably do it for rides I really wanted to ride. You can get into DLP for $64 so if I paid for 3 $10 rides, I'm still under $100. If I'm in the US and paid $150 to get in, Disney can vacuum a water fowl.

 

[smooch]

The Frontierland pavement should be replaced with dirt.

I think it would look great but the huge crowds would be kicking up dust storms and would get guests dirty and cause complaints. I feel like there's a material / method they could use to give the ground a nice dirt look while keeping everything clean / sturdy and guests happy. Even if they just colored the pavement so it doesn't just look like you're walking on a sidewalk / asphalt.

 

[smooch]

In the US, this is a no go. At Disneyland Paris I'd probably do it for rides I really wanted to ride. You can get into DLP for $64 so if I paid for 3 $10 rides, I'm still under $100. If I'm in the US and paid $150 to get in, Disney can vacuum a water fowl.

I had no clue admission was $64, you do mean converted to USD equivalent, correct? If that's the case then I agree and would do this for maybe one or two big rides I would want to go on. The problem is if you're in a group you have to convince each person to spend that money, and some of the prices for the rides are higher than I'd expect like $17ish for Astro Blasters. I'm curious how many FP's they'll sell for popular rides before they "run out" of spots, or if they'll just oversell to make more money and then have an extremely long FP line people paid to wait in.

 

[91JLovesDisney]

The Frontierland pavement should be replaced with dirt.

The Liberty Square pavement should be replaced with sewage.
Since, you know..

 

[91JLovesDisney]

View attachment 576996
Coming soon to a park near you

Wait, what in the heck? This is real?
We're moving backwards

 

[mickEblu]

LMAOOOO What a joke. I think I’d pay $3 to ride Autopia and $0.27 to ride Buzz. And that’s only if park admission is $10.

MONEY GRAB.

Ya the pay per ride thing is not a good look. It should be a front of the line pass like USH

 

[DrAlice]

I was just looking through the Galactic Starcruiser (WDW) info page that was just released. For those that aren't in the know, this is the Star Wars spaceship themed "immersive experience" hotel that is super expensive and follows more of a cruise-line model than a hotel.

ANYHOO.... I came across this question in the FAQ and, well, it made me face palm and laugh super hard. Did they really need to include this? Don't answer that.....

"Does Star Wars: Galactic Starcruiser really take passengers into space?"

 

[Brer Panther]

The Liberty Square pavement should be replaced with sewage.
Since, you know..

Isn't the pavement in Liberty Square actually painted to look like sewage?

 

[Rich T]

The Frontierland pavement should be replaced with dirt.

And horse poop! And not immediately cleaned up like on Main Street!

 

[Californian Elitist]

Ya the pay per ride thing is not a good look. It should be a front of the line pass like USH

Absolutely. I would consider paying one price to skip the standby queues for ALL rides.

 

[91JLovesDisney]

I was just looking through the Galactic Starcruiser (WDW) info page that was just released. For those that aren't in the know, this is the Star Wars spaceship themed "immersive experience" hotel that is super expensive and follows more of a cruise-line model than a hotel.

ANYHOO.... I came across this question in the FAQ and, well, it made me face palm and laugh super hard. Did they really need to include this? Don't answer that.....

"Does Star Wars: Galactic Starcruiser really take passengers into space?"

I was talking to some friends about this earlier and one was like "I wonder what happens if you don't make it back onto the ship when it takes off"

And the other was like

"Well since it's not a real ship there's probably a back door or something you can enter through"

...

 

[BasiltheBatLord]

Look at this amazing antique Disney museum I found today