The Miscellaneous Thought Thread

TP2000

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On this date in 1955 as Disneyland ended its first summer season, the high temperature in downtown Los Angeles was 108.

But it was only a breezy 107 degrees in Anaheim on this date in 1955. :hungover:

Can you imagine how miserable that must have been for those opening year CM's and paying customers?

Today, the high temp in Anaheim was 81. Sunday's high temp is forecast to be 77.
 

mickEblu

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As for my experience at Knotts Berry Farm yesterday I had a lot of thoughts pop into my head yesterday when we were walking around so hopefully I can remember most of them. Right before we got a text saying our table was ready ay Mrs Knotts we had walked into the park and jumped into a line at a Counter in Ghost Town for a slice of pizza for my daughter who was really hungry. $16 for a slice Pizza. I knew they had to make up for the cheap entry prices somewhere. Kind of crazy the value you get at Mrs Knotts for $10 more. We didn't end up buying it because the line moved painfully slow. In fact, it seems like all the counter services and stands had only one overwhelmed person working.

After Mrs Knotts we walked back into the park and went left towards Ghost Town. Obviously the highlight of Knotts. Felt very lively as the park does overall. Im guessing when Summer Nights are over most of the live music goes away except for Crazy Kirk and the live music they play in Ghost Town? It was really weird walking around a park not knowing where you were going. I have been saying that I haven't been to Knotts in two decades but that was a for Scary Farm. The last time I was at Berry Farm during the day was way before that. The only places I vaguely remembered was the area outside of Mrs Knotts and Firehouse BBQ (which smelled really good even on a full stomach) from over 20 years ago. Guess Ive always been into food. Ghost Town is great and I'm looking forward to exploring it a bit more. When I finally saw the outside of the mine ride I realized where all my trippy alternate universe Thunder Mountain dreams come from. Must be some old memories of Calico Mine ride from when I was a kid. The rock work leaves a bit to be desired but enjoyed all the waterfalls. Appreciated that little brook to your right that wasn’t fenced off right before you get to load. Feels like the sort of thing from a bygone era that shouldn’t exist or would be fenced off.

It felt like there were a lot of dead ends at the park due to the train that runs through the middle of the park (instead of around it) and the giant coasters. We really take the layout at Disneyland for granted. You think it would fun not knowing where you're going and being somewhere new. Not so much when you're exhausted with young kids and toddlers. Calico Mine ride was the first ride of the day. Wanted to get on something the whole family could do. It was listed as a 3 out of 5 on the thri ll scale so was hoping a little speed or a few little drops. Very interesting ride. It's what you would get if Walt leaned a little harder into the "hard facts" that created America. Overall it had a very creepy and disturbing tone. Nothing they put in Scary Farm can be scarier than that ride. It's like The Hills Have Eyes: The Ride. Also felt very claustrophobic. I thought some of the scenes that didn't have AAs were nice and made me think its probably the closest thing we have to Mine Train thru Natures wonderland. Anyway, I appreciate it being there but have no need to ride it again for as long as my pass is active, especially with a 30 min wait. In fact, I have no need to ride or do anything we did yesterday again with the exception of Independence Hall, Ghost Town, Mrs Knotts and the marketplace.

Next up was Beary Tales. This is where it all kind of sunk in that this park is no Disneyland replacement for us. It's not somewhere we will be 24 times a year or even 12 times a year. More like 4-5 times and that's Ok for the price we paid. We waited an hour for what has to be the most obnoxiously slow loading vehicles of all time. It doesn't make any sense. The gameplay component of this ride was absolutely awful. I could barely tell which tiny dinky colored pies being shot were mine. It's a shame because it has some of the best dark ride components I've experienced on a shooter. Felt more like a dark ride at times than any of the shooters at DLR. I also like the characters and world they set up. Reminds me of like the Berenstein Bears or something from that era. Too bad, with a few changes it could be a good family ride. As it stands, have no need need to ride this again either. Im absolutely shocked that people knew the ride experience that was waiting for them and still waited 60 minutes for this ride. Then again Knotts is desperate for indoor dark rides and at this point I had been on 2 of the 3 at the park so it wasn't looking good.

To Be Continued...

Never finished my thoughts on my trip to Knotts...

After Beary Tales my son and I did Coast Rider. Basically, Goofy's Sky School with a little bigger drop. Except it's scarier because at DCA the false sense of security of it being Disney/ safe is reassuring on those hairpin turns. Another ride I do not need to ride again unless the wait is super low. We finished off the night at Camp Snoopy around 9pm. It was very dark and I'm sure the area is better appreciated during the day. Even the flat ride lines were very long. My wife and daughter did the balloons while my son and I rode Linus' Launchers. Another one and done for me. Grabbed some Starbucks on the way out and they charged me $3 for my large ice water in a plastic cup. It's a different kind of nickel and timing at Knotts.

Anyway, this park was more aesthetically pleasing than I thought it would be and that's without seeing Camp snoopy during the day. With that said, outside of Ghost Town, the park feels more like a nicer Magic Mountain in spirit than it does somewhere like Disneyland. For a local non tourist destination park it's pretty solid and comparing to Disneyland may be silly anyway. It does feel like a County fair at times with typical County Fair smells like the terrible whiffs that smell like "Potato Corner" from the mall. The dead ends were a little annoying but I'm sure we'll have it down in a couple visits. The slow service at all the food stands and slow loading rides are a real killer though. Never have I had more appreciation for the Space Mountain drill sergeant CM's at load/ unload. Granted we have a lot to learn before we become pros like we were at Disneyland but I'm not sure we have the desire to get there. Does anyone remember the feeling of breaking up with a girlfriend (or boyfriend) and then going out with another girl too soon and it feeling just kind of weird, sad and different? That's kind of how I felt at Knotts that night. Lol. Disneyland felt like home.

For a family with young kids the lack of dark rides and or lack of attractions for the whole family was felt. We don't really have use for the likes of Silver Bullet, Xcelerator, Supreme Scream or Hangtime at the moment. I'm not ready to write Knotts off though. It was a hot crowded Saturday night and we were only there for 5 hours after 2 miserable hours at Soak City. I have a feeling the the "typical" Knotts trip for us will be getting there early and just really focusing on Ghost Town and Camp Snoopy for 5-6 hours and heading home. Grab some BBQ , ride Ghost Rider and the Log Ride, (Throw in a Pony Express and Rapids once in a while) do some Camp Snoopy and be on our way. It didn't help that the 4 rides we did get on (Calico Mine, Beary Tales, Coast Rider and Linus Launcher) were One and Done's. Riding some of the better and more repeatable rides should help change my perception of the park along with it not being 90+ degrees and extremely crowded.

If I lived closer I'd feel much different about the place but as it stands the experience for my family it isn't worth the drive and the hassle. At least not every 2-3 weeks like we were going to DL. This will be more like 4-6 times for the year which is fine for what we paid. In hindsight I kind of wish we just milked our USH passes for the year. It's down the street for more or less the same level of return but the allure of not having been to Knotts in a couple decades was too much.

Knotts was also a great reminder that IP is nice in moderation. The music, nostalgia, IP- all these things add to the experience.
 
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PiratesMansion

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Never finished my thoughts on my trip to Knotts...

After Beary Tales my son and I did Coast Rider. Basically, Goofy's Sky School with a little bigger drop. Except it's scarier because at DCA the false sense of security of it being Disney/ safe is reassuring on those hairpin turns. Another ride I do not need to ride again unless the wait is super low.
To be fair, so far as I know, a roller coaster at Knott's has never caused injury or worse to a guest due primarily to insufficient maintenance. Can't say the same about Disneyland.

Legoland also has what is basically the exact same ride as Coast Rider, although without those weird leg restraints that Knott's decided to add at some point.
We finished off the night at Camp Snoopy around 9pm. It was very dark and I'm sure the area is better appreciated during the day. Even the flat ride lines were very long. My wife and daughter did the balloons while my son and I rode Linus' Launchers. Another one and done for me. Grabbed some Starbucks on the way out and they charged me $3 for my large ice water in a plastic cup. It's a different kind of nickel and timing at Knotts.
THAT'S pretty extra, wow.
Anyway, this park was more aesthetically pleasing than I thought it would be and that's without seeing Camp snoopy during the day. With that said, outside of Ghost Town, the park feels more like a nicer Magic Mountain in spirit than it does somewhere like Disneyland. For a local non tourist destination park it's pretty solid and comparing to Disneyland may be silly anyway. It does feel like a County fair at times with typical County Fair smells like the terrible whiffs that smell like "Potato Corner" from the mall. The dead ends were a little annoying but I'm sure we'll have it down in a couple visits. The slow service at all the food stands and slow loading rides are a real killer though. Never have I had more appreciation for the Space Mountain drill sergeant CM's at load/ unload. Granted we have a lot to learn before we become pros like we were at Disneyland but I'm not sure we have the desire to get there. Does anyone remember the feeling of breaking up with a girlfriend (or boyfriend) and then going out with another girl too soon and it feeling just kind of weird, sad and different? That's kind of how I felt at Knotts that night. Lol. Disneyland felt like home.
Not wrong on any counts here, really (although I don't recall any dead ends-certainly not going to say I have 100% mastered Knott's layout though). The Mine and Log Ride are closer to Disney level than dark rides at basically any other non-Disney/Universal parks in the US, so that does elevate the park a tad for me. I feel Fiesta Village and Camp Snoopy are a lot nicer and more detailed than most regional theme park areas, though it definitely helps that Fiesta Village just got a nice refresh, before it was arguably a bit dated. Rumors seem to be pointing to a Camp Snoopy refresh next. I don't hate the Boardwalk here the way many do, but it's definitely somewhere that doesn't feel distinctive at all and is very Any Park USA (or maybe Cedar Point: West Coast Edition). Ops aren't the park's strong suit, but honestly I find that in SoCal only DLR and USH have great ops. The rest are a lot more similar to Knott's than to DLR/Universal.

Going from mostly DLR/USH to Knott's definitely can be a bit of a culture shock, but hopefully when you return Knott's it will feel, if not like home, at least easier to appreciate for what it is. I do think Knott's has had better, more genuine customer service as of late than DLR.
For a family with young kids the lack of dark rides and or lack of attractions for the whole family was felt. We don't really have use for the likes of Silver Bullet, Xcelerator, Supreme Scream or Hangtime at the moment. I'm not ready to write Knotts off though. It was a hot crowded Saturday night and we were only there for 5 hours after 2 miserable hours at Soak City. I have a feeling the the "typical" Knotts trip for us will be getting there early and just really focusing on Ghost Town and Camp Snoopy for 5-6 hours and heading home. Grab some BBQ , ride Ghost Rider and the Log Ride, (Throw in a Pony Express and Rapids once in a while) do some Camp Snoopy and be on our way. It didn't help that the 4 rides we did get on (Calico Mine, Beary Tales, Coast Rider and Linus Launcher) were One and Done's. Riding some of the better and more repeatable rides should help change my perception of the park along with it not being 90+ degrees and extremely crowded.
In fairness, I imagine the number of people who get on Linus Launcher and feel compelled to ride it again and again is probably pretty limited, lol.

I do hope you give Mine Ride in particular another chance, and that you might appreciate it more a second time around (I find that I can't typically appreciate/form an opinion about a ride until I've done it a few times). You also have the Log Ride (where you also get to play the "see how DL blatantly stole this layout for Splash Mountain" game), Train (with robbery-and don't forget the second train in Camp Snoopy), Stagecoach (SUPER SLOW LINE though) to look forward to. Jaguar is an extremely approachable, family friendly coaster that isn't much more intense than the monorail. GhostRider is great, but might be a lot if the older kid isn't fully ready for thrill rides. They TYPICALLY also have a lot of entertainment going, so I'd encourage you to check that out when you can, including the Hilbillies from time to time. I enjoy looking at the little Mission dioramas that start by Silver Bullet and continue around the lake-nothing amazing, but nice little details that remind me of the random little things that you might have seen at Disneyland in the 60s.

As mentioned, there are negatives. It definitely doesn't help, in terms of things to do for young families, that the park is run by Cedar Fair, who has higher than industry average height requirements for everything. Even so, however, I'd say there's more for the non-rider to do at Knott's than at most other parks, and you do still have some aforementioned cool things to do that far surpass most non-Disney/Universal parks in terms of quality and detail.
If I lived closer I'd feel much different about the place but as it stands the experience for my family it isn't worth the drive and the hassle. At least not every 2-3 weeks like we were going to DL. This will be more like 4-6 times for the year which is fine for what we paid. In hindsight I kind of wish we just milked our USH passes for the year. It's down the street for more or less the same level of return but the allure of not having been to Knotts in a couple decades was too much.

Knotts was also a great reminder that IP is nice in moderation. The music, nostalgia, IP- all these things add to the experience.
Knott's will probably be better appreciated when your son is a little older and he gets more into thrill rides, but doesn't want to totally lose any sense of theme or immersion (unlike SFMM, which really and truly has nothing other than coasters and thrill rides), but I do think even visit number two will be better than visit # 1, if only because now you have a better idea of what to expect.
 
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TP2000

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This is fun.



This baffles me. Then I read the description on YouTube, and it didn't help...

"Something malfunctioned while we were trying to ride Haunted Mansion Holiday on Friday, causing the lights to come on and the music to shut off. For some reason, we were not evacuated from the attraction. Instead, we were allowed to ride the entire attraction with the lights on and the effects clearly visible."
 

TP2000

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I hope everyone is having a fabulous Labor Day Weekend, and your barbecue plans are going well. I am marinating flank steak as I type.

Wherever this holiday weekend finds us, let's all pause for a moment of thanks that none of us decided to go to Burning Man this weekend. I only know about this Nevada event because I was an avid fan of Reno 911 on Comedy Central 20 years ago. 🤣

So I was thrilled to know what this youth event was without Googling.... but what a giant mess. :eek:


 

TP2000

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I didn’t realize that was probably said sarcastically, oh well fun for me

Don't get me wrong. It is fun, and actually funny. And also fascinating to watch, and very impressive in 4K. o_O

But I have to wonder... Who made the decision to just let hundreds of people ride through the Haunted Mansion with all the lights on and with the sound off and most animatronics/effects turned off????

Unless there was some huge emergency that blocked the normal exit paths, why would they do that? Does Showmanship not count for anything any more? Are there no rules about this sort of thing any longer?

Especially in an age where most tourists now have a 4K camera that can capture this visual Lack Of Showmanship Tour and offer it to millions of people around the world almost instantly. It's on YouTube. It's getting traction and lots of views. It will now live on the Internet for years in all its 4K glory.

And the Dockers-clad manager of the Haunted Mansion didn't think... "Crap, the computer crashed again and the Show is entirely turned off, so lets exit the guests out the side stairwell and not let anyone else go through the ride until we can get sound and lighting and animatronics working again." ????

Instead, the Dockers-clad manager of the Haunted Mansion thought... "Crap, the computer crashed again and the Show is entirely turned off. There's 200 guests waiting in the loading area, so just put them on the ride and get rid of them that way through the entire broken down ride. It'll be easier that way. I wanna go to lunch soon." ????

Again I am forced to ask myself... who the hell is running Disneyland now? Do any of them care?

 
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Too Many Hats

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I didn’t realize that was probably said sarcastically, oh well fun for me

I actually didn't mean it entirely ironically, though I am poking fun at Disney. It is fun to see the attraction with its lights on and audio off. It's also likely a "fun surprise" (there's my irony) / huge bummer for fans who were really looking forward to it, for guests who waited 100 minutes in line, and for first-time riders.

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Too Many Hats

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This baffles me. Then I read the description on YouTube, and it didn't help...

"Something malfunctioned while we were trying to ride Haunted Mansion Holiday on Friday, causing the lights to come on and the music to shut off. For some reason, we were not evacuated from the attraction. Instead, we were allowed to ride the entire attraction with the lights on and the effects clearly visible."

It is indeed baffling. At the beginning of the video, you can see the loading area lights are on and yet the Doom Buggies are being loaded anyway.

"Crap, the computer crashed again and the Show is entirely turned off. There's 200 guests waiting in the loading area, so just put them on the ride and get rid of them that way through the entire broken down ride. It'll be easier that way.

Ah, you've already gotten to it. This is my suspicion as well. It's straight-up dangerous how they pack people into the portrait hallway. Evacuating all those guests might be unwise.
 

Alanzo

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I got stuck on Alice once. The lights came on, my wife and I sat in our vehicle for a while, and eventually we got to walk through the attraction. It was a fantastic experience.

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The Haunted Mansion Holiday situation is a bit different, though.

Very cool!! I just went on Alice the first time last week and thought it was so unique and quirky. Better than Mr. Toad's which I hope isn't blasphemy.
 

mickEblu

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Very cool!! I just went on Alice the first time last week and thought it was so unique and quirky. Better than Mr. Toad's which I hope isn't blasphemy.

No, I think that’s the right call. Now if you rank Toad behind Pinocchio or Snow White that might raise a few eyebrows.
 

Alanzo

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No, I think that’s the right call. Now if you rank Toad behind Pinocchio or Snow White that might raise a few eyebrows.

I think we went on Pinocchio 3 times, Snow White 2 times (man that Queen/Witch spin has me nervously watching my little kids' face) but Alice just once because of timing and that line seems permanently 20 minutes long and slooooow... and outdoors.

My little kids loved them all. I wish Disney could figure out how to bang out several more of these smaller dark rides with the same quality with other IPs.
 

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