The Miscellaneous Thought Thread

[Consumer]

No.

Again, agree to disagree.

But we aren't disagreeing.

Your statement is that society has changed the bar for what is acceptable.

My claim is that the bar has been lowered for what is acceptable.

These are the same claims. They mean the exact same thing.

When the bar is lowered, there are fewer restrictions on what is acceptable.
When the bar is raised, there are more restrictions on what is acceptable.
We would both agree there are fewer restrictions on what is acceptable in society.
Therefore, the bar is lowered.

 

[truecoat]

Guys, this isn't hard to figure out. Five years ago, cast members were not allowed to have tattoos, facial hair, and men weren't allowed to have long hair. Today, all of those things are allowed. Nothing about this is subjective. Disney changed the Disney Look just a few years ago to lower their standards. This is, by definition, lowering the bar. I never denied there was a change in culture, just that Disney has lowered the bar for who can be a cast member.

Yes, the bar goes up, and the bar goes down. In this case, the bar went down. That's what lowering the bar means.

Long hair and tattoos might have been taboo years ago but nowadays they are commonplace. People get tattoos in tribute to loved ones or to signify events in their lives unlike in the past when they were in a biker gang or the navy. This represents a change in societal values not a lowering of a bar.

 

[Consumer]

Long hair and tattoos might have been taboo years ago but nowadays they are commonplace. People get tattoos in tribute to loved ones or to signify events in their lives unlike in the past when they were in a biker gang or the navy. This represents a change in societal values not a lowering of a bar.

Once again, that's what lowering the bar means.

Disney Cast Members were once required to not have tattoos. Now they can. That's called lowering the bar because they have lowered the standards which need to be met in order to qualify to be a Cast Member.

 

[Prince-1]

Once again, that's what lowering the bar means.
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Disney Cast Members were once required to not have tattoos. Now they can. That's called lowering the bar because they have lowered the standards which need to be met in order to qualify to be a Cast Member.

Incorrect as having tattoos is not lowering their standards. They are just changing what is allowed by cast members. Now if you consider it lowering the bar then that is on you.

 

[Disney Analyst]

Guys, this isn't hard to figure out. Five years ago, cast members were not allowed to have tattoos, facial hair, and men weren't allowed to have long hair. Today, all of those things are allowed. Nothing about this is subjective. Disney changed the Disney Look just a few years ago to lower their standards. This is, by definition, lowering the bar. I never denied there was a change in culture, just that Disney has lowered the bar for who can be a cast member.

Yes, the bar goes up, and the bar goes down. In this case, the bar went down. That's what lowering the bar means.

I would argue, there is no such thing as a bar when it comes to how people look.

Now if they were all wearing dirty, torn up, grungy costumes, sure. But I’ve never seen tattoos, long hair, or facial hair as some lower standard. Just because some have a bias against those things, doesn’t mean allowing them has lowered some bar.

I’d further argue the bar has been raised, as people can be themselves, and that usually results in a happier, more productive workforce.

 

[Disney Irish]

Once again, that's what lowering the bar means.
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Disney Cast Members were once required to not have tattoos. Now they can. That's called lowering the bar because they have lowered the standards which need to be met in order to qualify to be a Cast Member.

The term has a negative connotation to it, just look at the example they provide in the screen shot you provided. The term "lower the bar" has typically meant "less than" in these scenarios, ie less than qualified, which is why posters here have an issue with it as looks don't make one less than anything.

 

[Consumer]

I would argue, there is no such thing as a bar when it comes to how people look.

Now if they were all wearing dirty, torn up, grungy costumes, sure. But I’ve never seen tattoos, long hair, or facial hair as some lower standard. Just because some have a bias against those things, doesn’t mean allowing them has lowered some bar.

I’d further argue the bar has been raised, as people can be themselves, and that usually results in a happier, more productive workforce.

I've never been so irrationally upset at this website.

"Lowering the bar" is not a judgment claim. "Lowering the bar" means loosening restrictions.

If Disney required Cast Members to have long hair, and then changed it so anyone could be a Cast Member regardless of hair length, that would also be "lowering the bar." Because, again, lowering the bar just means lowering qualifications necessary to participate.

All I am arguing is what the phrase means because somebody misused it fifty pages back at the start of this stupid argument and I felt it necessary to correct them because I love words and believe it is necessary to use them properly.

If Disney made the requirements to be a CM "only people named Bob Iger can work for Disney," that would be raising the bar.

If Disney made the only requirement to be a CM "you need to be alive," that would be lowering the bar.

"Raising the bar" means fewer people can do X. "Lowering the bar" means more people can do X. That's all these words mean!

 

[truecoat]

I've never been so irrationally upset at this website.

"Lowering the bar" is not a judgment claim. "Lowering the bar" means loosening restrictions.

If Disney required Cast Members to have long hair, and then changed it so anyone could be a Cast Member regardless of hair length, that would also be "lowering the bar." Because, again, lowering the bar just means lowering qualifications necessary to participate.

All I am arguing is what the phrase means because somebody misused it fifty pages back at the start of this stupid argument and I felt it necessary to correct them because I love words and believe it is necessary to use them properly.

If Disney made the requirements to be a CM "only people named Bob Iger can work for Disney," that would be raising the bar.

If Disney made the only requirement to be a CM "you need to be alive," that would be lowering the bar.

"Raising the bar" means fewer people can do X. "Lowering the bar" means more people can do X. That's all these words mean!

"they have drastically lowered the bar for anyone who wants to call themselves cast members."

 

[EPCOTCenterLover]

As for me and my house, letting "society" set the standards is a dangerous decision.

 

[Californian Elitist]

As for me and my house, letting "society" set the standards is a dangerous decision.

I can almost guarantee you that some aspect of your life is based on a collective societal construct.

 

[TP2000]

Not getting into the topic of wages and black nail polish with you.

There is no need to discuss it, as that topic has already been settled by centuries of basic economics.

In a Capitalist system, to depress wage growth you need to widen the labor pool. Removing certain standards for employment widens the labor pool by allowing more people to qualify for the job, thus upward pressure on pay rates are lessened because more applicants qualify for employment at lower pay.

That is an Econ 101 level concept that has been true for centuries, so nothing more to discuss.

 

[lazyboy97o]

This thread should be renamed the Dog Whistle Thread.

 

[TP2000]

All three with arms folded tell me one thing. They are seeing a superior product and are defensive about it. They start nodding their heads in agreement that whatever they are watching is very good and better than they are used to.

I would have KILLED to see a similar video of these two guys watching KiteTails for the first time, wouldn't you?

 

[EPCOTCenterLover]

Or as we say in Denver when things get "interesting",
HOW 'BOUT THOSE BRONCOS?

 

[SuddenStorm]

Long hair and tattoos might have been taboo years ago but nowadays they are commonplace. People get tattoos in tribute to loved ones or to signify events in their lives unlike in the past when they were in a biker gang or the navy. This represents a change in societal values not a lowering of a bar.

And yet, most of the visible tattoos I see at Disneyland are distorted depictions of Disney characters, anime, or other cartoony type tattoos that are not signifying important life events.

 

[SuddenStorm]

I agree with that.

It just makes me chuckle that even D'Amaro and Iger know instinctively that the lower standards of the American parks don't play well in Japan. So they suited up and smiled for their Tokyo park tour in the rain.

That just proves that they know what they're doing with lowering pay scales by lowering standards in the California and Florida parks.

They know.

You know, the idea that the dress and conduct of upper executives of a multi billion dollar corporation should exceed the standards of society when they are representing that corporation makes perfect sense, so it is interesting they dress so casually while visiting the American Parks.

 

[Californian Elitist]

There is no need to discuss it, as that topic has already been settled by centuries of basic economics.

In a Capitalist system, to depress wage growth you need to widen the labor pool. Removing certain standards for employment widens the labor pool by allowing more people to qualify for the job, thus upward pressure on pay rates are lessened because more applicants qualify for employment at lower pay.

That is an Econ 101 level concept that has been true for centuries, so nothing more to discuss.

Praise God.

 

[Californian Elitist]

And yet, most of the visible tattoos I see at Disneyland are distorted depictions of Disney characters, anime, or other cartoony type tattoos that are not signifying important life events.

That kinda proves the point. Tattoos can represent special life events or be weird versions of cartoon characters. Either way, tattoos are way more mainstream and acceptable in society nowadays, which was the point.

 

[TP2000]

Praise God.

Thank you for admitting that the fundamentals of economics exist.

 

[CHOX]

I came across this pre-filled photo of the Sea Serpent room from 20K last night. Someone replied to Hoot Gibson on twitter with it. I couldn’t believe it, this is literally one of the holy grail Disney shots for me. I have been wanting to see this since I saw those demolition photos 20 years ago. I really wish our subs were as documented as the ones in Florida.

But look at this ! Look at the attention to detail, much of this is stuff guests wouldn’t see. What happened, Disney?!?! Compare this to “muh Nemo”. The most comparable rooms on that ride are the Angler fish and mines. When those rooms light up you get a beautiful view of the completely empty warehouse behind the props. I’m pretty sure I saw a coke bottle and trash in the corner last time I was there, and I’m not just saying that to be funny. Get your **** together.