The Miscellaneous Thought Thread

[TP2000]

Ripped from Today's Headlines Department...

Just for the record, I am not part of the latest US Census Bureau statistics on the continuing California Exodus (that some folks claim isn't even happening ). The latest US Census data released today showed that California has lost over 500,000 people since the 2020 Census (when California lost one Congressional seat due to state population decline that accelerated in the late 2010's).

And in the last year California lost 211,000 people to outflow migration to other states from July '21 to July '22. But I didn't move out of California and change my driver's license until November, 2022. I won't show up in the migration outflow until next year's numbers are released, from July '22 to July '23. Then you can celebrate.

Exodus from California continues as population declines

The California exodus is showing no signs of slowing down with new numbers from census data.

www.cbsnews.com

California's population dropped by 500,000 in two years as exodus continues

California lost more people than any state besides New York between April 2020 and July 2022, data show. Texas gained nearly 900,000 people in the same period.

www.latimes.com

 

[Parteecia]

Ripped from Today's Headlines Department...

Just for the record, I am not part of the latest US Census Bureau statistics on the continuing California Exodus (that some folks claim isn't even happening ). The latest US Census data released today showed that California has lost over 500,000 people since the 2020 Census (when California lost one Congressional seat due to state population decline that accelerated in the late 2010's).

And in the last year California lost 211,000 people to outflow migration to other states from July '21 to July '22. But I didn't move out of California and change my driver's license until November, 2022. I won't show up in the migration outflow until next year's numbers are released, from July '22 to July '23. Then you can celebrate.

Exodus from California continues as population declines

The California exodus is showing no signs of slowing down with new numbers from census data.

www.cbsnews.com

California's population dropped by 500,000 in two years as exodus continues

California lost more people than any state besides New York between April 2020 and July 2022, data show. Texas gained nearly 900,000 people in the same period.

www.latimes.com

You missed this one

Utah governor tells Californians to 'stay in California instead of coming as refugees'

Gov. Spencer said Utah, the fastest-growing state for the past 10 years, is beset by problems including housing and water shortages.

www.latimes.com

 

[TP2000]

You missed this one

Utah governor tells Californians to 'stay in California instead of coming as refugees'

Gov. Spencer said Utah, the fastest-growing state for the past 10 years, is beset by problems including housing and water shortages.

www.latimes.com

That was all over the news here last week! I already sent his office an email to calm his fears on me personally.

 

[Sharon&Susan]

Seems like Disney is permanently vaulting a bunch of things company-wide:

 

[Californian Elitist]

We didn’t even lose a million people in the last two years (a whopping 1.25%) and folks keep talking about an “exodus.” Lol. How many people moved to California in that time? That never gets talked about. Some of the ones who leave can’t keep the state out of their mouths. Enjoy your new state already.

 

[Practical Pig]

We didn’t even lose a million people in the last two years (a whopping 1.25%) and folks keep talking about an “exodus.” Lol. How many people moved to California in that time? That never gets talked about. Some of the ones who leave can’t keep the state out of their mouths. Enjoy your new state already.

I liked this part from the Los Angeles Times article cited by @Parteecia:

The study also found that Utah’s largest share of outbound domestic transplants went to California.​

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[Californian Elitist]

I liked this part from the Los Angeles Times article cited by @Parteecia:

The study also found that Utah’s largest share of outbound domestic transplants went to California.​

​

I need to actually read the full article lol. The irony here.

 

[Parteecia]

That was all over the news here last week! I already sent his office an email to calm his fears on me personally.

You're not affecting the housing and water shortages?

 

[Practical Pig]

You're not affecting the housing and water shortages?

We have those in California too. He's just traded places with a Utahan outbound domestic transplant.

 

[TP2000]

You're not affecting the housing and water shortages?

Not that I'm aware of. I purchased this home in a brand new development. They are clearing additional tracts near it for more homes. There is endless amounts of private land here to use.

I did, however, open up an existing home in Southern California for sale by moving out of state. You're welcome SoCal House Hunters! Although the investment firm that bought it still hasn't put it on the market or even rented it out. My old neighbors surmise the new owners are trying to figure out how low the housing crash will go. But at least they're still watering/mowing the lawn!

As for water shortages? We don't have any water restrictions here. And the downtown area in this little city has several decorative water fountains and water play areas in the parks. So whatever water restrictions may have existed in the past, currently don't exist.

I would need to Google, but I imagine the lack of water restrictions is due to the atmospheric rivers this winter that have been lifting many Western states out of their drought status of the last few years. Weather patterns changing again for next week, with more rain and snow on the way for the Southwest.

 

[TP2000]

We didn’t even lose a million people in the last two years (a whopping 1.25%) and folks keep talking about an “exodus.” Lol. How many people moved to California in that time? That never gets talked about. Some of the ones who leave can’t keep the state out of their mouths. Enjoy your new state already.

The loss of 500,000 factors in the migration of people moving to California, as well as the births of new babies in California and the total deaths factored together.

The loss of 500,000 is the total population decline, all factored together. And it's increasing. In calendar year 2022, for every 100 Californians that moved away, only 37 people moved to California to replace them.

The actual number of people that moved out of California during that timeframe is just over 1 Million people who moved away. The problem is that far less than 1 Million people moved in to replace them, and births/deaths of existing residents didn't replace them either.

Thus, you get a total population decline of 500,000 in just two years.

Californians Are Relocating in Huge Numbers: Where Are They Going?

In California, departures far outnumber arrivals. Here's where Californians are heading, and why it is they're leaving in the first place.

www.borowitzclark.com

 

[Parteecia]

Seems like Disney is permanently vaulting a bunch of things company-wide:

Does anyone know what the problem is with them? I have the "Inception" one. I need to read it again to see if I can find the diversity and/or inclusion trouble.

 

[Parteecia]

The loss of 500,000 factors in the migration of people moving to California, as well as the births of new babies in California and the total deaths factored together.

The loss of 500,000 is the total population decline, all factored together. And it's increasing. In calendar year 2022, for every 100 Californians that moved away, only 37 people moved to California to replace them.

The actual number of people that moved out of California during that timeframe is just over 1 Million people who moved away. The problem is that far less than 1 Million people moved in to replace them, and births/deaths of existing residents didn't replace them either.

Thus, you get a total population decline of 500,000 in just two years.

Californians Are Relocating in Huge Numbers: Where Are They Going?

In California, departures far outnumber arrivals. Here's where Californians are heading, and why it is they're leaving in the first place.

www.borowitzclark.com

California's population dropped by 500,000 in two years as exodus continues

California lost more people than any state besides New York between April 2020 and July 2022, data show. Texas gained nearly 900,000 people in the same period.

www.latimes.com

... "Myers said that he believes “annual change will be much closer to zero” in 2023 than the hundreds of thousands of people lost in the last two years, and “should turn positive” by 2024." ...

Not that I necessarily want California's population to increase.

 

[Skip]

Does anyone know what the problem is with them? I have the "Inception" one. I need to read it again to see if I can find the diversity and/or inclusion trouble.

The issue appears to be the character of Bombie the Zombie, who appears prominently in both stories.

 

[Californian Elitist]

The loss of 500,000 factors in the migration of people moving to California, as well as the births of new babies in California and the total deaths factored together.

The loss of 500,000 is the total population decline, all factored together. And it's increasing. In calendar year 2022, for every 100 Californians that moved away, only 37 people moved to California to replace them.

The actual number of people that moved out of California during that timeframe is just over 1 Million people who moved away. The problem is that far less than 1 Million people moved in to replace them, and births/deaths of existing residents didn't replace them either.

Thus, you get a total population decline of 500,000 in just two years.

Californians Are Relocating in Huge Numbers: Where Are They Going?

In California, departures far outnumber arrivals. Here's where Californians are heading, and why it is they're leaving in the first place.

www.borowitzclark.com

Right. So there’s no “mass exodus,” which was my point. There is no deep decline in population with dozens of millions being lost per year.

The exaggeration…

 

[TP2000]

Right. So there’s no “mass exodus,” which was my point. There is no deep decline in population with dozens of millions being lost per year.

The exaggeration…

You should call the media and tell them to rename the phenomenon of California losing population for the first time in its history.

During the same timeframe that California's population declined by 500,000, Texas' population rose by 900,000 and Florida's rose by 700,000. The population of the USA is increasing annually, and many states are seeing big population gains this decade.

That brings with it Billions of tax dollars to the state coffers in Austin and Tallahassee, and bleeds Billions of tax dollars out of the coffers in Sacramento. Tax dollars that can, or in this case can't, be used to develop tourism districts and special taxation zones like the Anaheim Resort District or to build tourism-friendly infrastructure statewide or re-invest in state parks and natural wonders.

When a state sees it's population suddenly stop rising, and go 180 degrees and start declining year over year by a few hundred thousand annually, that's a problem. In just two years, California lost the entire population of Atlanta, Georgia. Poof!

California exodus continues: State’s population dwindles by 500,000 in two years - Washington Examiner

California California exodus continues: State's population dwindles by 500,000 in two years By Misty Severi, Breaking News Reporter February 16, 2023 03:12 PM Twitter LinkedIn Facebook Email Print California California exodus continues: State's population dwindles by 500,000 in two years By...

www.washingtonexaminer.com

 

[Parteecia]

You should call the media and tell them to rename the phenomenon of California losing population for the first time in its history.

During the same timeframe that California's population declined by 500,000, Texas' population rose by 900,000 and Florida's rose by 700,000. The population of the USA is increasing annually, and many states are seeing big population gains this decade.

That brings with it Billions of tax dollars to the state coffers in Austin and Tallahassee, and bleeds Billions of tax dollars out of the coffers in Sacramento. Tax dollars that can, or in this case can't, be used to develop tourism districts and special taxation zones like the Anaheim Resort District.

When a state sees it's population suddenly stop rising, and go 180 degrees and start declining year over year by a few hundred thousand annually, that's a problem. In just two years, California lost the entire population of Atlanta, Georgia. Poof!

California exodus continues: State’s population dwindles by 500,000 in two years - Washington Examiner

California California exodus continues: State's population dwindles by 500,000 in two years By Misty Severi, Breaking News Reporter February 16, 2023 03:12 PM Twitter LinkedIn Facebook Email Print California California exodus continues: State's population dwindles by 500,000 in two years By...

www.washingtonexaminer.com

You missed my quote from that article.

 

[TP2000]

California's population dropped by 500,000 in two years as exodus continues

California lost more people than any state besides New York between April 2020 and July 2022, data show. Texas gained nearly 900,000 people in the same period.

www.latimes.com

... "Myers said that he believes “annual change will be much closer to zero” in 2023 than the hundreds of thousands of people lost in the last two years, and “should turn positive” by 2024." ...

Not that I necessarily want California's population to increase.

It will be interesting to watch, that's for sure! The trends are in place. Do they suddenly stop and reverse course? Or continue?

If the past three years have taught me anything, it's that I no longer automatically believe "experts". I like to see hard data that is irrefutable and already in the past, rather than trust some "expert" on what will happen three months from now, let alone two years from now.

Four months ago the "experts" said the Southwest would have a very dry winter and the drought would worsen, but Mother Nature decided to pants 'em and gave the Southwest one of the wettest January's on record. Three years ago the "experts" said we only need two weeks to stop the spread and flatten the curve, and then Disneyland was closed for 13 months.

Anytime an "expert" speaks up about what will happen in the future, I now automatically become very suspicious.

But facts and data on what has happened in the recent past and what continues to happen? That can't be faked or spun by an "expert".

The demographic and population data collected by the US Census Bureau is solid and factual. No experts are needed to explain it.

 

[PiratesMansion]

Well, luckily Utah is the land of milk and honey, where everything is swe...oh dear:

As the Great Salt Lake Dries Up, Utah Faces an ‘Environmental Nuclear Bomb’ (Published 2022)

Climate change and rapid population growth are shrinking the lake, creating a bowl of toxic dust that could poison the air around Salt Lake City.

www.nytimes.com

 

[CaptinEO]

I live in California but I don't know why Californians are offended when the state is criticized or people point out facts (not saying people on this board, I mean everywhere). I say people should acknowledge the issues of where they live in order to hopefully work towards solving those issues.

Housing is expensive, crime has been out of control, and utility prices have doubled in the past year or two.

To anyone whether they stay or leave I wish them the best. It's not a personal attack on me if someone leaves the state I live in, I've considered moving out of state as well.

And if you live in California shouldn't you want people to leave due to overcrowding and traffic?