The Miscellaneous Thought Thread

PiratesMansion

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One thing I’d be willing to do is eat at a resort. That always sounds like a good idea lol.
THAT is 100% worth doing, and every park is pretty close to a resort with at least one great dining option (but often, there are several). Animal Kingdom Lodge in particular is the gift that keeps on giving-all three of the main restaurants are excellent there.
Terrible. 72 and sunny.
The midwest would like a word.
 

TP2000

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How’s the weather there?

I made it from southern Utah to San Diego in record time. Warm and dry the whole way, only slight freeway congestion was in Riverside in early afternoon. Now sitting on the patio in La Jolla next to the fire pit.

The family all arrived several days ago, and some from Seattle which is now entirely shut down due to snow and ice. Alaska Airlines has cancelled basically every flight out of Portland or Seattle since yesterday, and into tomorrow. It's a disaster! A truly "unprecedented" cold weather disaster, according to the Seattle Times and Portland Oregonian newspapers. When I lived up there in the 1960's and 1970's it barely snowed ever in the big cities at sea level, but we certainly never got a foot of snow by Christmas that closed airports! o_O

But San Diego is sunny and warm-ish (low 70's by mid afternoon). The kids and their wives all went down to Pacific Beach tonight to carouse with their fellow Millenials before they have to spend the next 48 hours with family and old people, passing the gravy and giving increasingly tight smiles at old people jokes. 😬 I'm just thrilled to be here safe and sound, and by a fire pit with a glass of my Aunt Ingrid's famous Swedish Glog she always served at Christmas.

Aunt Ingrid's Swedish Glog Recipe, Serves 6 to 8 Swedes or 4 to 5 Americans.
  • Pour two bottles bold red wine into large saucepan over low heat.
  • Add tightly wrapped spice bundle in cheesecloth into the saucepan made of the following; 3 cinnamon sticks, 6 cardamom pods, 6 crushed Allspice berries, 8 whole cloves, 1 big slice of peeled ginger, 2 tablespoons Orange peel zest.
  • Add 1 cup of Aquavit (Scandinavian liquor, but Vodka substitutes fine if your bar cart doesn't stock Aquavit) to the saucepan.
  • Add 1/2 cup granulated sugar, 1 teaspoon vanilla, 1 sliced fresh Orange wedges, and 1 cup sliced almonds to the saucepan.
  • Raise saucepan heat to medium until it just starts to steam, BUT DO NOT LET IT BOIL OR SIMMER. If it boils, the alcohol starts burning away and what the hell is the point of that?!? Aunt Ingrid will be displeased.
  • Heat slowly over mid-low heat for at least 15 minutes, up to 30 minutes or more.
  • Ladle into hearty earthenware mugs with some of the almonds floating on top. Pairs well with cheese and crackers before dinner, or with shortbread and chocolates after dinner.
  • Fire pit in La Jolla is optional, but highly recommended.
Skal! to you all and a very Merry Christmas! 🎄
 

ajrwdwgirl

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I’m really just not into resorts and hotels. I know WDW fans love the resorts, but they don’t interest me very much. And this isn’t just a WDW thing. Even when I travel on my own, I tend to stay at an Airbnb, and when I do book a hotel or resort, I don’t care to explore. I’m much more interested in what’s on the outside. I’d actually prefer to explore parts of Orlando after a half day at a park than spend the rest of the day at a resort on property. This is why I said the traditional WDW experience is likely not for me.

One thing I’d be willing to do is eat at a resort. That always sounds like a good idea lol.

I think the resorts at WDW are interesting and neat to see but I agree that going to tour them just to see them wouldn't be that exciting except for two reasons. Those reasons would be if I was planning on eating at a resort restaurant or going to a lounge. The second reason would be to see the Christmas decorations or Easter eggs at Easter. The Grand Floridian and the Beach Club are two resorts that I think someone should stop in and see if they are at WDW at Christmas or Easter.
 

Californian Elitist

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I think the resorts at WDW are interesting and neat to see but I agree that going to tour them just to see them wouldn't be that exciting except for two reasons. Those reasons would be if I was planning on eating at a resort restaurant or going to a lounge. The second reason would be to see the Christmas decorations or Easter eggs at Easter. The Grand Floridian and the Beach Club are two resorts that I think someone should stop in and see if they are at WDW at Christmas or Easter.
Yes, this is exactly how I feel. I think hotel resorts can be very beautiful, but I’m only there to sleep and maybe have a meal. It’s my lodging for my stay away from home, not the actual vacation (I’m REALLY not into all-inclusive resorts, and even when I have stayed in one or two, I still left the property). I’d rather just save money, purchase a hotel room here where I live, and explore that. When I travel, I’m looking to explore the actual country/city/place I’m visiting.

I’m a sucker for gorgeous Christmas decor. If I’m ever at WDW for Christmas, I’ll be sure to check out the Grand Floridian!
 

Phroobar

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Listening to this right now. Merry Christmas everyone.

iu
 

Parteecia

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Yes, this is exactly how I feel. I think hotel resorts can be very beautiful, but I’m only there to sleep and maybe have a meal. It’s my lodging for my stay away from home, not the actual vacation (I’m REALLY not into all-inclusive resorts, and even when I have stayed in one or two, I still left the property). I’d rather just save money, purchase a hotel room here where I live, and explore that. When I travel, I’m looking to explore the actual country/city/place I’m visiting.

I’m a sucker for gorgeous Christmas decor. If I’m ever at WDW for Christmas, I’ll be sure to check out the Grand Floridian!
The only hotel I made a point of visiting was AKL. I considered stopping by the Grand Floridian to compare to the Del Coronado but that was low priority and I never made it. None of the others seemed worth the time.

Near the end of my week I did do all of the parks in one day, just because I could.
 
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Californian Elitist

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The only hotel I made a point of visiting was AKL. I considered stopping by the Grand Floridian to compare to the Del Coronado but that was low priority and I never made it. None of the others seemed worth the time.

Near the end of my week I did do all of the parks in one day, just because I could.
Honestly, I’m glad it’s not just me. I don’t want to come off as someone who’s unappreciative of the resorts offered at WDW, but I’m sincerely just not into resorts and hotels (I don’t even visit the three we have). AKL does look beautiful. Given that the Grand Floridian is modeled after Hotel Del Coronado, as you stated, which I can get to in a couple hours drive, seeing it would also be low priority or even no priority for me as well (unless it’s Christmas).
 

brb1006

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Merry Christmas Everybody! 🎄

I recently got a new Christmas decoration from my local grocery store of a Solar Bobblers of Rudolph the Red-nosed Reindeer (unboxed) a few weeks ago (forgive the blurry picture quality).
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It looks super adorable when his head moves up and down complete with tiny squeaking noises. 🎄😊

Hopefully I might stumble upon a Solar Bobblers of Clarice (Rudolph's sweetheart) in the future. Because, he looks so lonely without his girlfriend. It makes me feel sad seeing him alone closed to my Artificial Christmas Tree in our living room. 😢
My heart will completely melt the day I finally find Clarice and put those two together. ❤️🥰
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Those two are truly meant to be together! 💓
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mickEblu

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I understand wanting to keep the surprise, and ordinarily I'd advocate for that exact approach, but there really aren't any surprises on the WDW train ride to spoil, and for me that's the problem, haha!

It sounds like we just value different things on train rides, and that's fine. If it were up to me, the Adventureland stretch would have something to look at too (and at WDW you're not even looking at trees shielding you from Jungle Cruise-you're looking at trees hiding a service road, and JC is on the other side of the service road), but it seems like all of the Disney parks have collectively decided that if there's one section of their train rides where it's fine to look at nothing, it's Adventureland, which I suppose fits the theme but just doesn't interest me. That being the case, you might enjoy the WDW RR more than I do just because it sounds like you might better enjoy the sense of removal and separation you feel from the rest of the park, which is typically more pronounced than on the DLRR. In which case, I'd also recommend their riverboat and TSI for similar reasons.

DLRR was down for about a year and a half, and they did actual enhancements and even let guests go and visit the trains/stations/etc during construction. WDW RR was down for four years and they...did nothing. Just speaks to the difference between the two resorts at the moment in a very sad way.

I'm having a hard time finding a ride through from before the changes to see the difference, but I don't remember the London scene being notably different before 2015 (though I did find a Disney video talking about the 2015 changes and specifically mentioning a few changes to the London scene). What did they change for the worse?

I also prefer the WDW London scene with more dimensional buildings. I've always thought that the DL scene was much more limited and lackluster by comparison, but clearly WDI disagrees with me because Tokyo's PPF used to be identical to WDW's, but then had a refurb in the mid-10s and came back with a less dimensional London scene (among other changes) that brought the ride closer to DL's. So enthusiasm for lackluster London is currently in at Imagineering for reasons beyond me, and even Shanghai's version is like that now. Undoubtedly WDW's dimensional London would leave if the ride ever got the comprehensive refurb it desperately needs.


There are things there to be jealous of, and things I miss every time I go to DLR (what I would give for Liberty Tree Tavern and the WDW Haunted Mansion to both be in California!), but unfortunately you were not able to see them due to time, circumstance, etc. There's plenty of flaws at WDW that aren't at all hard to see, and all are legitimate, but it really is about the sum of its parts and taking it in as a whole experience in a way that DLR isn't, whereas in California, Disneyland the park is an experience but the resort itself is much more tenuously held together IMO. At WDW it's the opposite.

Animal Kingdom and Kilimanjaro Safaris are fantastic. There's still a lot of old school WED weirdness in the older corners of the property, nice hotels that are worth exploring, lovely restaurants (and a lot of them) either in theme or cuisine that DLR has little equivalent for, the original Tower of Terror is still one of the best theme park attractions ever made, the water parks are lovely, World Showcase is a fun area just to explore, etc.

But it takes time and mindset. My first time back at WDW as an adult was a family trip with my grandparents and cousins. As one example, my grandparents and I split up parts of two days exploring World Showcase, doing each attraction, going through each shop, taking in the atmosphere and acts; by contrast, my cousins (also from California, haha) went around the whole lagoon and "saw World Showcase" in less than two hours. We 100% got more out of the experience than they did because we were open to WDW on its terms, and they simply were not. Naturally by the end of the trip my grandparents, who hadn't even wanted to go to WDW, ended up having more fun than my cousins, who just wanted to blitz through the highlights in three days so they could say they had "done" WDW (but also wanted to sleep in, etc). My conclusion from this experience, reinforced through at least a decade of trip reports on this site or that, etc. was that people can't sprint through WDW AND appreciate it properly at the same time. I'm sure on occasion it can happen, but experience and a lot of internet reading has shown it to be quite rare if it does.

Haha point taken. I saw some of Adam the Woos ride thru yesterday and it was underwhelming. I guess it’s not great when you compare it to the other Castle park trains. I think it’s if one is able to just take it in for what it is without comparing to other versions. With that said, I’m probably in the minority (here) that I like some of the more real world looking views on WDRR’s train as riding a train is a “romantic” thing to do in 2022. In fact I don’t think I’ve ever been on a real or non theme park train.

Yeah the London scene was changed pretty drastically. Ours used to look a lot more like MKs. Something about the neon colors makes it feel so flat.
 
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PiratesMansion

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Haha point taken. I saw some of Adam the Woos ride thru yesterday and it was underwhelming. I guess it’s not great when you compare it to the other Castle park trains. I think it’s if one is able to just take it in for what it is without comparing to other versions. With that said, I’m probably in the minority (here) that I like some of the more real world looking views on WDRR’s train as riding a train is a “romantic” thing to do in 2022. In fact I don’t think I’ve ever been on a real or non theme park train.

Yeah the London scene was changed pretty drastically. Ours used to look a lot more like MKs. Something about the neon colors makes it feel so flat.
As I've discovered on Twitter, there are some people who are VERY passionate that WDW does not have the worst park train and how dare you suggest such a ridiculous idea like that. I've seen people try to say the worst train is actually Hong Kong's (which I can see) or Tokyo's (which I cannot) or make other ridiculous claims. It's been entertaining.

I imagine if you get a scenic route and everything functions the way it should, a train ride would be nice. Unfortunately, my only experience on a train in the US was misery. When I was in college, our college choir was invited to perform at Carnegie Hall, and some genius sold myself and a bunch of other suckers on taking the train out there because it would be "cheaper" than flying and "fun". Our train left from Chicago an hour later than it was supposed to (8 PM instead of 7 PM), and I was not one of the ones lucky enough to be booked in a sleeper car. After awkwardly trying to sleep in a standard train seat, in the morning we discovered that after travelling all night we had only traveled to Toledo because it had rained heavily all night.

To put that into context, you can get from Chicago to Toledo in maybe four hours by car.

We ultimately got into New York around 2 in the morning and had to be up for rehearsal the next morning by around 8 or so. The way back was equally delay-prone and terrible. I also had a less-than-optimal overnight train in China when I studied abroad, and after that experience I was sick for almost the rest of the term. Based on those experiences, unless I'm taking a decent subway system or in Europe, I would rather just drive myself or pay the premium for a plane ticket, but perhaps others have had better luck with trains than I have.

I genuinely don't remember the Disneyland London scene being significantly more dimensional than what's there now, but I'll take your word for it. I feel like there was decent POV footage of the ride from before 2015 at one time, but it looks like it's all been removed from YouTube or hidden. Presentism has won the day once again, it seems.
 

Rich T

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If you ever take a trip to the Santa Cruz Boardwalk, try to work in a visit to Roaring Camp Railroad about twenty minutes away. It’s an hour long ride through redwood forests aboard a historic steam-powered lumber train in roofless open-air passenger cars. It’s spectacular under any circumstances, but If you catch an early-morning ride when the forest floor is covered in thick mist, it’s jaw-dropping. If you visit on a reenactment weekend, you might get a staged train robbery or other surprises added in. :D

They also have a train line that transports you down to the Boardwalk and back, but that one’s a diesel.
 

Rich T

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…Yeah the London scene was changed pretty drastically. Ours used to look a lot more like MKs. Something about the neon colors makes it feel so flat.
I can’t stand the new day-glo paint job. It’s right up there with MBO’s exterior when it comes to awful decisions at DLR.

Prior to that, though, it had been difficult for guests to see London at all if riding before sundown, as DL’s layout doesn’t give guests’ eyes enough time to adjust. I think that might have been the reason behind the change, and they went too far in the opposite direction.

MK’s version has a much, much longer transition flying out over the neighborhood rooftops, which allows enough time for eyes to adapt, and it’s not just the best part of that version; I’d pick it as one of the best dark ride moments on Earth.
 

Rich T

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Strange World Thoughts…
(Mild Spoilers)

The first time I watched “Strange World,” all I could see and hear were the flaws. But having learned my lesson from “Encanto,” I did watch it a second time, hoping it would connect together better on a second viewing. And it did. It’s still got problems, but it’s not a bad film at all. Like Treasure Planet and Atlantis, it’s a fun adventure that could have been much better with one more rewrite.

The main problems: The dialogue is too “jokey” and very little of it is very funny, rendering all the characters a bit obnoxious until the third act. The pacing and editing are all over the place to the point where it’s jarring. There are major character development sequences that add little, and overly-frenetic action scenes that are hard to follow.

As other critics have pointed out, the movie is mainly about the Grandfather/Father/Son conflict, and-while the characters’ arcs are well done—it’s not enough to carry the whole film, and the side characters have no development at all.

And all through the first viewing, I kept asking myself “Who was this made for?” I LOVE this genre, I like the character designs, the cast is great… but, for me, the film is just “off”, missing the mark over and over throughout the first two acts.

It has multiple worthwhile messages it wants to convey about diversity, ecology, community, family and acceptance, but it just hammers viewers over the head (over and over) with these themes in the most obvious ways imaginable.

For instance, there’s Ethan’s board game that serves as a physical symbol of the movie’s main themes. It is the most BORING, preachy board game in the history of board games. It’s even more boring as a five minute scene that isn’t very funny and has very, very little payoff in the character development department. Its ecological message is another insulting hammer to the viewer’s head. And the line “that’s just poor storytelling” is very unwise for a scene that brings the film’s momentum to a screeching halt.

And, yes, the “big twist reveal” can be guessed within the first ten minutes, if you haven’t already gotten it from the trailers, though I have to admit that when the characters themselves *finally* realize the truth… it’s staged very well.

I actually liked Splat more than most critics did; he’s Magic-Carpet level on the sidekick scale. The dog, unfortunately, does nothing but act annoyingly stupid throughout.

As for the Elephant in the Room, I’ve got mixed feelings. In this particular movie, It does come across as showboating—but that’s probably because it’s the very first Disney film to focus attention on a gay main character and his love interest. On the plus side, it’s nice to see a world where a person’s orientation is treated as naturally and non-problematic as eye color (other animated films that previously did this include How to Train Your Dragon 2 & 3 and The Mitchells Vs. The Machines). On the negative side, there’s a hefty chunk of time devoted to a detail that adds nothing to the plot and little to Ethan’s character development. It’s not an orientation issue; If Ethan had been a heterosexual female character, the boyfriend element would still take up too much screen time considering how little it adds to the film. I think The Mitchells Vs. The Machines did a better job with this.

And while I love seeing more diverse characters in Disney films, I was mildly insulted that, while all the women on the adventure are portrayed as flawless, courageous and emotionally mature leader-figures, ALL the males, including the dog, are portrayed as immature goofballs. Every. Single. One. Except Ethan’s crush.

It’s already on Disney+, everyone! If you’ve seen it, what did you think?

I do think it’s going to be very interesting to see how this one ages over the years. I think it might gain a following through home viewing a la Treasure Planet and wind up considered an under-appreciated gem. Maybe?
 
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truecoat

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Listening to this right now. Merry Christmas everyone.

iu

Flip the cover of this bad boy over. You'll see that it's produced by a guy named Tony Bongiovi or something like that. My memory isn't what it used to be and I'm not looking it up. His nephew sang some background vocals on this album. His name was Jon Bongiovi but also known as Jon Bon Jovi.

I worked in record stores back in the day and someone sold a stack of records with this one included. I thought it was funny that there was a Star Wars Christmas album and started looking at the songs and such. That was where I discovered this hilarious cameo of a guy not yet world famous but soon after.
 

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